best gear and atmas for ranger

Wildfire shouldn't beat Slug Shot outside of abyssea unless you're fighting a pipercing/physical resistant mob or a mob that takes super damage from magic. Slug Shot is still the strongest markmanship WS out of abyssea. Not to say it's the best or most useful, but it is still the strongest.

we need a replacement for slugwinder :/ refulgent works kinda.. for archery.. but there's nothing for marks... though archery is fine w/ jishnu, it feels like w/o emp/relic, you'd get left in the dust. (all this for outside)

rng have F***ing dark adaman bullets.. 105 base dmg. and the best ws to use it is lvl 55? that needs to change. /rant off

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Wildfire shouldn't beat Slug Shot outside of abyssea unless you're fighting a pipercing/physical resistant mob or a mob that takes super damage from magic. Slug Shot is still the strongest markmanship WS out of abyssea. Not to say it's the best or most useful, but it is still the strongest.

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Technically LV 90 Annihilator and the higher modifiers on Coronach makes that the best Marksmanship WS outside of abyssea. Slugshot beats out lvl 85 Coronach.

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Originally Posted by Laitha

Technically LV 90 Annihilator and the higher modifiers on Coronach makes that the best Marksmanship WS outside of abyssea. Slugshot beats out lvl 85 Coronach.

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I did mean to post asking if the WS dmg boost made Lv90 Coronach beat Slug, I thought I did but I obviously rushed and forgot >.>

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Wildfire shouldn't beat Slug Shot outside of abyssea unless you're fighting a pipercing/physical resistant mob or a mob that takes super damage from magic. Slug Shot is still the strongest markmanship WS out of abyssea. Not to say it's the best or most useful, but it is still the strongest.

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Wildfire CANNOT miss, because it is an elemental WS, yes it can be resisted of course, but the entire point of wildfire is the select enimity it gives, was not worried about damage, because in my case if i need damage i can...just use gandiva.. wildefire would be for steady minimum hate damage, which is the entire reason for it outside. and for an elemental WS it does great damage. just not uber awsome mega damage.

Coronach is a great hate control WS as well, because no matter how much damage you do, the enimity is a lock on set, and is pretty low i think.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Wildfire CANNOT miss, because it is an elemental WS, yes it can be resisted of course, but the entire point of wildfire is the select enimity it gives, was not worried about damage,

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Perhaps you should actually read the post you quoted:

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Not to say it's the best or most useful, but it is still the strongest.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

Coronach is a great hate control WS as well, because no matter how much damage you do, the enimity is a lock on set, and is pretty low i think.

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could be wrong, but doesnt coro actually lower your total enmity by a % each time you use it? which would put WF alongside namas for low hate.


another question to relic holders out there, how is the dmg of lvl 90 namas arrow? compared to slug/WF

I believe someone did some testing on Wildfire and the enmity reduction was nothing close to as significant as Coronach/Namas. Also I believe Coronach's Aftermath is reduced enmity for the duration, not that the WS it's self lowers your enmity like High Jump. The WS it's self just has fixed enmity values independant of the damage delt.

aha, understood.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

I did mean to post asking if the WS dmg boost made Lv90 Coronach beat Slug, I thought I did but I obviously rushed and forgot >.>

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I went out to East Sarutabaruta and did a very small test on Namas and Sidewinder just to give everyone some kind of idea on numbers.. (When I say small test I mean like 4 WSs total. It's late sorry >.>)

Naked Mithra RNG/SAM with 80 STR, 90 Yoichi and Kabura Arrows... Mob:Savanna Rarab (right outside the entrance)
With Velocity Shot...
2x Namas Arrow 2505
2x Sidewinder 3240

*Data is in no shape, way, or form solid enough to draw a definite conclusion since I did not try to WS in WS gear, WS without Velocity Shot nor do enough WSs.*
However, Namas should get very close to sidewinder numbers once you add in WS gear since it's 40%str and 40%agi vs. Sidewinder's 15%str and 25%agi.

Edit: all WSs were used just outside of melee.

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Originally Posted by Feliciaa

I went out to East Sarutabaruta and did a very small test on Namas and Sidewinder just to give everyone some kind of idea on numbers.. (When I say small test I mean like 4 WSs total. It's late sorry >.>)

Naked Mithra RNG/SAM with 80 STR, 90 Yoichi and Kabura Arrows... Mob:Savanna Rarab (right outside the entrance)
With Velocity Shot...
2x Namas Arrow 2505
2x Sidewinder 3240

*Data is in no shape, way, or form solid enough to draw a definite conclusion since I did not try to WS in WS gear, WS without Velocity Shot nor do enough WSs.*
However, Namas should get very close to sidewinder numbers once you add in WS gear since it's 40%str and 40%agi vs. Sidewinder's 15%str and 25%agi.

Edit: all WSs were used just outside of melee.

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I'm not sure velocity shot will make a difference if your target has like 20 defense and you have 400+ ratk.

Kind of late to the party here, but I thought I would give my two cents on most of this. First off, I go RR/SS/GH for my RNG, and I honestly couldn't be happier. I tried a few other Atma, but in the end this is by far my favorite choice.

As for subjob, I normally go /WAR. I can see the purpose of /SAM, but honestly it boils down to Sekkanoki and Third Eye vs Berserk really. I still have a 5hit setup with Bow on both /SAM and /WAR, so that doesn't really change any, just a couple gear swaps. Meditate is almost entirely worthless in my eyes, a free three shots worth of TP every 3 minutes? Not exactly game breaking. The defensive capability of Seigan and Third eye would have to be the biggest advantage, but it still comes with a loss of damage.

Now in Abyssea, the way I look at it, is Berserk+Barrage+Arching Arrow(no Gandiva yet for me) basically caps out my CE on anything I fight. Likewise, Barrage+Sekkanoki+Arching Arrowx2 also caps out my CE. While most people would think that gives more credit to Seigan+Third Eye, in my opinion it gives more reason to go /WAR. With the way enmity functions, if you have two players with capped CE and no VE, every hit will pull hate until the other person hits. So if you let the tank get capped CE first, before you go all out, and then move into melee range, you will effectively not be tanking. You -will- pull hate every time a shot goes off, but most tanks are fast hitting jobs that will very quickly pull it back off of you. So why worry so much about defensive abilities at all?

Sorry if I worded things kind of poorly or didn't go into detail enough but how I play it, but I'd be glad to provide for info if desired. I love RNG quite a bit, and it is still such an amazing DD, but so few any more its hard to really get into good discussions about it.

To me meditate plays a big role in /SAMs appeal. Those 3 free shots after just 30mins becomes 30 free shots or 600 tp with a 5 hit build and I did not even need to shoot anything.
Also, /SAM could go all out and add meditate to that barrage + sekkanoki + Arching Arrow x2 and be very close to enough tp for a 3rd Arching Arrow. Plus, I can start with Seigan + Third eye to prevent/stop the face rape I just signed up for.

/SAM is even more important out of abyssea. I can control hate much better then a /war since I could use meditate for tp and use Sekkanoki so I don't waste any extra TP. Or I can slow down my r.atk spam and make up for it with meditate.

This is just IMO though. I am very interested to know. What gear + bow are you using to make /WAR 5hit work? I think the information could be really good to have when looking into /SAM 4hit with a bow.

For /WAR 5hit I use Mekki Shakki/Rose Strap, Volley Earring, Rajas Ring, Sylvan Back, Sylvan Legs+1, and some Gules Leggings I got from a chest with +2STR on them. That is with a Vision Bow(Delay 524) and the typical 90 delay arrows. When I get Gandiva I'll need 3 more Store TP to keep the 5hit. As you can tell by the gear, I don't really lose much damage boosting, which is why I don't mind going that route; about the only things I miss are the RATK off Vulcan's and the critical damage+ off of Brave Strap.

Using /SAM though, I would need another 18 Store TP with Vision Bow to get a 4hit setup, not a very plausible idea. If I had the +2(or 1) hands I would gladly use those, but even +2 would put me 11 shy of the 4hit. The only other pieces of gear I could drop for Store TP without losing much damage would be Triumph for Brutal and my augmented Behemoth Ring for Hoard or that new +4 Store TP ring. Even then I would still be 6 short, and the only real viable option at that point is dropping AF3 body for Loki's full time, which would make a pretty big dent in my damage I believe. Theoretically if I had all of that and Gandiva and still wanted a 4hit, I would only need 2 more, but I can't think of a good way to get 2 Store TP off of the head/neck/waist, or any other pieces that provide more Store TP than what I already have.

That's why Gun is fun. 4 hits are easy.
TP:
AF3+2 Head
Corvus Torque
Volley (2)
Clearview
AF3+2 Body
AF3+2 Gloves (7)
Horde Ring (4)
Rajas Ring (5)
AF3 Back (5)
Goading (5)
AF3+2 Legs (9)
AF3+2 Feet
TP/hit: 25.8

Slug Shot:
Flame Ring
Scout's Belt
Libeccio Mantle
TP/Hit: 23.5

Wildfire:
AF3+2 Head
Ugga Pen
Moldy
Hectate
Mirke
Skote
AGI Ring
Rajas (5)
AF3 Back (5)
Aquiline
AF3+2 Legs (9)
AF3+2 Feet
TP/hit: 22.9

I am also new to RNG (only lvl 86 atm). Have half the WOE coins - by mistake, yet havn't even bothered trying to farm Fist/Bukhis yet - (Fistule can be solo'd on NIN. Although Bukhis I have bad memories of...)

As for atmas - I think it was stated earlier by someone else (not going to go back and read, might of been a different post) - but honestly, why Sea Daugher? Your nerfing the damage you can be getting out of Jinshu's quite a lot. Not to mention if you build together a 4/5-hit, with Double Shot active, this and Barrage every 5 mins you will be spamming WS's like a SAM main. As for the subtle blow excuse - if you are low manning something in Abyssea, your first mistake is bringing a RNG. When you have a big enough party to support DD-jobs-that-don't-really-proc, no one gives a rats about Subtle blow. (Apart from maybe the tank but mehh they will live).

A good tank - especially in Abyssea will not let the mob even look at you. In fact most *good* tanks can hold hate off Ukon WAR's simply because of attack speed.

While the servers were down, I roughed together what I see is a 4-hit (with /SAM) on FFXIAH and it is surpringly extremely easy to build on RNG with a Harrier +2.

Anyways this is my n00b RNG opinion- Atmas I will probably use will be RR/GH/SS. TP gear, well I can even link you.. This is what I am planning on building. (Perhaps replace Harrier with Gandiva - still undecided).

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/232994 (true 4-hit build from 0% TP, I think :D. Untested to be honest but the maths add up).

Oh as for subjob I am planning on pretty much full-timing /SAM (not due to meditate or sekka) but because of the STP II trait (+15 STP), which is pretty much needed for a 4-hit.

4 hit w/ gandiva doesnt work very well. you lose too much on ws to maintain it. 5-hit works pretty decenttly though. if you want to 4 hit, guns are perfect for that.

Hey Alderin, I was looking through your setup and I don't think that is going to work out. It looks like the counter on the side of the page is a bit off for how much Store TP it is giving also. With a total delay of 580(490+90) I'm showing a TP per hit of 14.8. With a delay that high, you need at least 69 Store TP for a sure fire 4 hit setup. With /SAM you are getting 15, dropping your required STP down to 54. I'm showing your setup as having...

4-Strap
2-Ear1
7-Hands
4-Ring1
5-Ring2
5-Back
9-Legs
4-Feet

For a total STP of 40. With /SAM you are only looking at 55 total and that would put you at 22.9 TP per hit. Overkill for a 5 hit and quite shy of a 4 hit. I think the issue is with ffxiah though as I do see their note on the side claiming 56 STP. It doesn't add up though.

FFXI ah counts 20 stp from rose strap. which throws calculation off

Gandiva with RR Omnipotent and Drifter/Stout

DEX build yay..

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Originally Posted by Miera

Gandiva with RR Omnipotent and Drifter/Stout

DEX build yay..

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god i wish this worked...

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Originally Posted by Lumiya

Hey Alderin, I was looking through your setup and I don't think that is going to work out. It looks like the counter on the side of the page is a bit off for how much Store TP it is giving also. With a total delay of 580(490+90) I'm showing a TP per hit of 14.8. With a delay that high, you need at least 69 Store TP for a sure fire 4 hit setup. With /SAM you are getting 15, dropping your required STP down to 54. I'm showing your setup as having...

4-Strap
2-Ear1
7-Hands
4-Ring1
5-Ring2
5-Back
9-Legs
4-Feet

For a total STP of 40. With /SAM you are only looking at 55 total and that would put you at 22.9 TP per hit. Overkill for a 5 hit and quite shy of a 4 hit. I think the issue is with ffxiah though as I do see their note on the side claiming 56 STP. It doesn't add up though.

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Just came back to check up on this thread - and yes I noticed this a couple of days ago.. I facepalmed when I first noticed this - that all the calculating I went through went down the drain :/

In saying that - 5-hit is still pretty viable by sacrificing some of the STP in my set - and swapping it out with snapshot gear etc. I still think Sea Daughter is quite a waste as although you will get a bit more WS spam - you are nerfing your WS's quite a bit.

if you're on pc, you should be able to start your shots in snapshot gear, and finish in racc/atk/stp before the shot is fired, since snapshot effects the delay on firing, and not the delay between shots, this is possible.

the gear i have in my 5-hit is: rose strap(4), af3+2 gloves(7) af3+2 pants(9) hoard ring(4), rajas(5), and volley earring(2).
31 stp in gear + /sam's 15 = 46. i'm not sure of the calculations but its between 20.5 and 21 tp/shot. the rest of your gear can be dedicated to str/ratk

I just got fake emp other day and been playing around with different setups trying to figure out what is best depending on the situation. I tried RR, SA and Sea Daughter and was doing up to 5.5k ws on the Khimara the one with +1 seals. It was fun to always have tp because then you could one shot other mobs in the area when bored. That was with /nin, still getting use to hate with new ws.
Now that I have the hate down, trying to figure if I go /war or /sam. /war seems nice for the go all out fast kills where /sam better for more drawn out fights.
then comes the Atma, Sea Daughter was nice and found more use getting tp while sitting there, but didn't seem extremely effective during the fight as much. Melee is nice, stick on VV, RR and apoc and you done, ranged is all over the place.

After reading all this, there really doesn't seem to be a best atma set. RR is a must, then you got GH SA SS and SD.

Sea Daughter is an atma I could see use for. I don't file it away as being impractical or worthless for RNG because it really isn't. Stout Arm and Drifter though I've personally put into that category. The RACC on Drifter may be needed in some situations, though I honestly don't see how. The STR/RATK from Stout Arm though I feel fails to boost your damage more than GH or SS can. At first when playing around with it I used RR/SA/Drifter. Then I moved to using SS and noticed a rather large damage boost in comparison. So then I went with RR/SS/SA, but I didn't see my normal shots going critical often enough and tried dropping SA for GH. High damage critical hits, and almost every hit is a critical. It seemed to me to be the best choice overall, so it is what I've been sticking to.

if you dont need the regainn (ie you're shooting for tp) then i personally like RR/GH/SA. its a good balance of r.attack and Racc with 40 str/50 agi. i'm usually /sam too, but i noticed it's max potential tapers off for ws damage. but aftermath procs on gandiva are very nice with it.

if you want to rely solely on crits. go RR/GH/SS and /war to cover the attack loss. again, GH covers your accuracy concerns, helping all 3 hits land. as for the other subs.. i personally rarely if ever take off /sam. i could live without the store tp traits, but seigan/TE/meditate/sekka is too much damage potential to give up. especially concidering how much tp overflow rng tends to get. (double shot/barrage)

i just tested RR GH SA vs RR GH SS on vt worms SA gave more dmg then SS by about 5-7% or so.

How much damage were you doing with both xbobx? I'd love to see the actual numbers on that.

it was no extensive testing but it was consistant enough for me to be sure.

with SS was doing around 720 avg with SA was doing 760 avg Jinsu (i hate ffxi spelling) 5200 avg with SS 5600 avg with SA.

as i said not extensive testing, but same equip same mobs, all VT and every hit with SA was more dmg then SS. I think it has more to do with the ratt then str. I notice when i don't eat pot au few (i am cheap sometimes) and forget velocity shot when i first start out i will hit 3700 with ws, eat food put on velocity it jumps into the mid 5k. Thats all Ratt no str.

the str adds ratk too, but my question is were you /war or /sam? because if you were /war, then the attack boost from berserk should theoretically out perform the ratk from SA. overall damage from rr/gh/sa is consistently high, changing to SS makes your crits higher, but your normal shots suffer a noticeable amount.

use your best judgement between the two.

/sam all equip and food etc were the same , all i did was flux down and change the one atma. I have to try /war but need to find a lvl 30 shield to activate the 5% crit bonus with fencer. I think that works on ranged attack? but maybe not.

but overall seems things aren't massive differences either way. I can see subbing out GH for Sea Daughter for those times you just want to run around abyessa wrecking things. But all I can say is what a different that new weaponskill makes, but almost angers me that you really need to get that ws to compete.

i think you only have to wear one 1h weapon, doesn't require shield. i'd recommend carbinier's dagger or axe. i have no clue if fencer works on RAws, if it does that'd be nice.. cause it doesn't really work for anything war uses normally (or available for jobs that could use it daily)

i will say its kinda dissapointing on rng, when fighting nmns my nin can deal more dmg per ws, and live longer.. had many times where i'd fight an nm on rng, do 2-3k per ws, and i'd fight again on nin dealing 3-4k :/ abyssea just isnt fair .. lol

wiki says fencer does working on ranged attack ws. Thanks about the shield bit, didnt know that.