Torcleaver numbers.

really wish i had a friggin pitchfork UGH

yea no doubt, i was thinking of doing the event for gkt here but then pretty much figured i usually have a friend rolling with me for seal/ki hunts so i generally handle majority of procs with drk + whm they do katana/gkt an if its polearm we just count our losses an go again lol

pitchfork, some type of greatsword lvl 1 all jobs, and a scythe lvl 1 all jobs and i'd have all procs between nin + my mule! /lesigh oh well

10 more lanterns to go and I'll get this topic back on track by posting actual samples.

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10 more lanterns to go and I'll get this topic back on track by posting actual samples.

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Most of us have the weapon if you want samples just ask i just post in this topic because its the cool kids topic

except jar, he's that half crazy friend in the group. The rest of us can't decide if he's going to join in the fun or go jason voorhees on our asses. ^_~

Post away. I haven't seen very much information from what this thread is supposed to be about.

just doesn't seem right. someone named usukane asking about drk stuff.

well we swing out swordy thing and it make boom boom for about 2.5K :D

gear for str outside abyssea and gear for the vit mod/attack inside abyssea. Pretty standard stuff tbh.

You don't say! Gee. =/ Can't believe I get such crap answers.

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You don't say! Gee. =/ Can't believe I get such crap answers.

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Try asking for specifics bro

besides everything you need to know you can learn on the wiki about its damage.... not like its hard to ballpark dmg after seeing all the numbers..

its not an easy weapon skill to gear for since u really need attack (cap ur attack vs mob def drk can do this but its not lulzeasy) need str (fstr which will require tinkering from mob to mob) and vit the actual wsc, trying to mush vit into a gearset for dmg over str(once capped) and maintain proper hitbuild/rebuild is the tricky part, dart summed it up pretty good though. few pieces of note are twilight head/ares body/snowbelt/snowgorget/bale+2legs/atheling/bale earring(brutal?)/moonshade<TP BONUS>/bibiki seashell(bombcore/bomblet)

i left out feet rings an hands cus im still really up in the air about those slots yet
hands: ares,bale+2,heafoc,lolperle,augmented-versa( <_< hate these atm not dropping) are a few choices im sure eveyone has a preference
feet:bale+2, ares, jingang(sp?), ryugo, onyx?
rings: lotsa choices between vit str attack

requires mucho tinkering an also i dont quite have torcleaver yet, im 36/50 atm on ciren but my ls rocks and its gonna be tonites event! w00t

cap fstr/attack/ then worry about vit mod.

Necro bump.

I haven't been able to understand how much of a str/att boost that gorgets give during WS (my rng has my light gorgets atm) so would anyone be able to compare warwolf/bale neck to light gorget/belt or point me in the correct direction? adding 0.1 to 1.0 of an ftp for 1.1 doesn't really tell me much atm.

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Necro bump.

I haven't been able to understand how much of a str/att boost that gorgets give during WS (my rng has my light gorgets atm) so would anyone be able to compare warwolf/bale neck to light gorget/belt or point me in the correct direction? adding 0.1 to 1.0 of an ftp for 1.1 doesn't really tell me much atm.

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learn what fTP is than ..

Gorgets add 0.1 fTP to the FIRST hit of every weaponskill as well ass +10 acc for all hits.
they add NO STR OR ATT
they are unrivaled for single hit weaponskills because fTP is the base damage of your weaponskill
for multi hit 4~ for the most part there are better pieces.

for torcleaver gorget/belt is the best foreverandeveranever (well maybe not with the +9 VIT neck but meh that has too be close anyway lol..)

honestly when i /sam anymore and go batshit crazy with torcleaver, there are only two jobs that out hate me. ukon war and vereth mnk. The raw total dmg is that significant (a really skilled/spellcast using drg is about even)

thought i am tempted to try /thf but i just know that i'm going to pull massive hate and just be a sponge, at least with /sam I have some defensive capabilities -_-

as for the gorget issue. Generally if you use them universally for your ws sets you will not be gimp at all. They are very solid and as jar mentioned, you need very specific situations for them to be tied with or out done period. The only job that I consider not using them on is mnk since I have victory smite now.

Maybe i should have reworded before i left the post. I know what fTP is but trying to find a damage comparison that can be broken down into str/att/acc was what i was inquiring about. Basically 14str/5vit/8att/8acc vs what i assume is 20 WSacc and [???]'s str/att equivalency.

I have all the information except for things aren't easily understood like trying to find a lv100 beetle's vit. It looks like 92+92+56+46 and if i were to take that as mob vit when finding fSTR then it couldn't look right compared to my drk's current 92+70str.

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Maybe i should have reworded before i left the post. I know what fTP is but trying to find a damage comparison that can be broken down into str/att/acc was what i was inquiring about. Basically 14str/5vit/8att/8acc vs what i assume is 20 WSacc and [???]'s str/att equivalency.

I have all the information except for things aren't easily understood like trying to find a lv100 beetle's vit. It looks like 92+92+56+46 and if i were to take that as mob vit when finding fSTR then it couldn't look right compared to my drk's current 92+70str.

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yeah not all math is addition there is no "Always true" value that is a str/vit/att equivalent to the fTP value.

if this is about torcleaver than the gorget wins hands down
if the weaponskill hits more than one time the STR helps on each hit while the gorget only helps the first.

Gorgets add base damage and you dont seem to know how big that is but because its Multiplied by the other values in the weaponskill damage formula. (Damage = WD * PDIF = ( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * PDIF) it is a major thing.

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they are unrivaled for single hit weaponskills because fTP is the base damage of your weaponskill
for multi hit 4~ for the most part there are better pieces.

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Hmmm... it basically adds the same amount of DMG when in reguard of multihit.

It adds 0.1ftp to the first hit.
So it adds 0.1 X Mod X pdif(cratio or w/e ya use for atkvdef)
Makes no odds if the weapon does more hits.

For example guillotine vs torcleaver increase
Torcleaver is easy 0.1+4.75 = 4.85 a 2.1% increase in DMG
For guillotine is 1 hit at 0.85 then 3 at 1.0 so overall it's (0.85+1.0+1.0+1.0) X Mod X pdif
so u can consider the ftp of Guillotine as 3.85 and +0.1 to that is a 2.5% increase

And yes there Da and the acc bonus to consider but just saying it's a single hit as your reason isn't really justified.

Imo it comes alot more to do with the mod and base dmg of the the weapon.

For example to add 2% to Torcleaver with 110 DMG and 100 vit overall u'd need
110 + 0.6(100) = 170*1.02 = 173 base DMG
3/0.6 = 5 VIT

Which prolly mean Apathy collar (9VIT) will beat the gorget unless i missed something and alot of numbers were estimates either way w/e not that fussed

And Ganesha's Mala prolly is the best overall since it has 4 VIT and 2% Quad attack
2% quad attack = 2% chance to add 3.00 ftp to a weapon (basically)
2% * 3.00 = 0.06 (so just under what gorget adds but the 4 VIT prolly makes up for it)

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Hmmm... it basically adds the same amount of DMG when in reguard of multihit.

It adds 0.1ftp to the first hit.
So it adds 0.1 X Mod X pdif(cratio or w/e ya use for atkvdef)
Makes no odds if the weapon does more hits.

For example guillotine vs torcleaver increase
Torcleaver is easy 0.1+4.75 = 4.85 a 2.1% increase in DMG
For guillotine is 1 hit at 0.85 then 3 at 1.0 so overall it's (0.85+1.0+1.0+1.0) X Mod X pdif
so u can consider the ftp of Guillotine as 3.85 and +0.1 to that is a 2.5% increase

And yes there Da and the acc bonus to consider but just saying it's a single hit as your reason isn't really justified.

Imo it comes alot more to do with the mod and base dmg of the the weapon.

For example to add 2% to Torcleaver with 110 DMG and 100 vit overall u'd need
110 + 0.6(100) = 170*1.02 = 173 base DMG
3/0.6 = 5 VIT

Which prolly mean Apathy collar (9VIT) will beat the gorget unless i missed something and alot of numbers were estimates either way w/e not that fussed

And Ganesha's Mala prolly is the best overall since it has 4 VIT and 2% Quad attack
2% quad attack = 2% chance to add 3.00 ftp to a weapon (basically)
2% * 3.00 = 0.06 (so just under what gorget adds but the 4 VIT prolly makes up for it)

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that was more to name that for most multi hits there is a known piece (like bale choker for guil) that is better

I dunno why i was putting fTP inside the middle of the formula... that's what messed me up there. Dunno how i wrote it down wrong twice lol. The other problem that i had was looking at the vit loss with some neck/belt swaps since i couldn't exactly tell how close/over fSTR i was compared to avarage mobs and vs the stronger types of mobs around.

k been awhile since posted back here but dundundundun 90 caladbolg finally!

looking to perfect gear for ws builds (all the below are assuming LR up an inside abyssea for criticism sake as i know i could use tweaking in there); averaging about 2.3-2.6k with rcb an Lr up

cala90/pole/xx/bombcore
twilight/snow/bale/brutal
ares/heafoc/spiral/raja
athel/snow/bale+2/bale+2

any an all suggestions/critic'ing etc will be happily appreciated an thx for any responses
edited in: avg attack with this is probably around 1150 i think (rr/apoc/a&o atma)