Does anyone else understand this paragraph?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malamasala
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Specific: specified, precise, or particular: a specific sum of money.
$1.00 = 100 crysta
$12.50 = 1250 crysta
Easier Payment Options (08/23/2011)
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08-24-2011, 02:04 AMJackDaniels
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08-24-2011, 02:04 AMCrystalWeapon
Why can't we all just get along?
Sorry, it's in my nature to try to break up tensions. -
08-24-2011, 02:05 AMVivikBut there is a problem. You are wrong. People are still having to overpay for for FFXI. It's pretty simple, if I have to pay 15.00 in order to play a game that costs 12.95 that is overpaying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:05 AMKorpgThe people who had issues with this new system, I didn't "attack" as you so put it. I even offered solutions to their problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runespider
It was the ones who were complaining for the sake of complaining and those who were complaining about the change that I countered and showed them that they are crying over nothing. You included, because you fit in the complain about change category. -
08-24-2011, 02:06 AMAequis
Back on topic...
No notice of this applying to non-US customers (there's zero news on the EU site), so let's keep the fight up and have equality for all regions please. Not all FFXI players live in the USA or Japan. I live in the UK and would like these changes applied to us, thanks SE. -
08-24-2011, 02:08 AMNiannyIf my memory is correct we tend to get announcements and such about a day later, so if there's anything for us Europe players (which I'm confident there is) it should be appearing in the next few days before the original transfer date. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aequis
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08-24-2011, 02:09 AMKorpgI don't defend Click and Buy, except the unneeded hatred towards that company by idiots who think that a Google Search is the same as justifiable research. If you are going to hate a company, find a valid reason for hating a company besides somebody posting that their friend of a friend of a relative of a cousin got screwed by somebody using Click and Buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aver
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08-24-2011, 02:12 AMAlhanelemNo, I'm not wrong. They don't take away your 1500 crysta to pay for the game. You keep the remaining $2.05 in your account. It doesn't disappear. They only took $12.95 worth of crysta from you.Quote:
But there is a problem. You are wrong. People are still having to overpay for for FFXI.
When the payment system is updated, just add $10.90 and everything is fine. Of course, given the balance on my account, according to you I'd be underpaying!
(See below? I just admitted I was wrong about something!) -
08-24-2011, 02:14 AMVivikHow else would you research an internet based payment method?Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpg
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08-24-2011, 02:14 AMVivikSo how exactly can I pay 12.95 again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:16 AMAlhanelemBy paying $12.95?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivik
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08-24-2011, 02:17 AMVivikCan you show me how? Cause all I get is the 10 dollar and 5 dollar options for crysta.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:18 AMAlhanelem
By entering the exact amount of crysta you want as soon as that becomes available?
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08-24-2011, 02:19 AMVivikSo it's not available now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:20 AMWinrieAre you seriously this dense?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivik
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08-24-2011, 02:20 AMXanaduu
its like watching the deaf kids i used to help teach fight over crayons again... anyway~
yay SE finally doing something! hope all you EU guys get the same news! -
08-24-2011, 02:21 AMVivikwhooooooosh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Winrie
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08-24-2011, 02:21 AMAlhanelem1234567890Quote:
You've Spoken and We've Heard You
You, the community, have clearly expressed your dissatisfaction with our billing system transition—and we are listening. We now understand that the options we presented you did not meet the level of service you have come to expect from Square Enix, so we have been working hard to address these concerns.
Accordingly, we will be extending the transfer cut-off date until we are able to implement the following improvements:
- New credit card payment options for Crysta [Available Now]
- The ability to specify exactly how much Crysta you want to buy [Early Fall]
- New recurring payment credit card options [Mid Fall]
We hope these steps show our ongoing commitment to you, our fans. It is our goal to make the FINAL FANTASY XI experience as fun and rewarding as possible.
Also in the days to come we'll reveal details for new offers and incentives to help ease your transition to the new system.
We sincerely thank you for your continued support of FINAL FANTASY XI.
Yasu Kurosawa
FINAL FANTASY XI North American Online Producer
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08-24-2011, 02:22 AMUnaisis
i still loled at how fast people bent over for the new payment method. i at least want to choose the position before cashing out with my arse.
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08-24-2011, 02:22 AMLago
Why the eff are we still talking about the inexact Crysta payments when they already said they're fixing it?
I saw this and thought I could directly pay for Crysta now, but the only options I see are still C&B and UltimatePay. What is the new credit card option that's available now?Quote:
- New credit card payment options for Crysta [Available Now]
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08-24-2011, 02:22 AMFinuve
As long as this is rolled out to all regions I feel that all reasons to complain are no longer valid, SE pretty much addressed all issues the community brought up
for those of you still stuck on Crysta, at least ur only looking at a month or two of putting on stupid amounts that don't match your monthly fees before you can be exact (and regardless of whether you get to keep the extra or not Alhanelem having to put on crysta in amounts that were not exactly your monthly fee was a BS tactic made famous by MS points)
so, lets just hope that all regions get the new methods, and congrats on a community for getting a corporation to back off of a BS payment system -
08-24-2011, 02:23 AMAlhanelem
It's what people asked for. Why shouldn't they be happy?
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08-24-2011, 02:24 AMVivikSo what you're saying is I still have to pay 15.00 for my 12.95 gameplay this month?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:24 AMRunespider
So many waste of space posts arguing with Alha and Rosina, just ignore them. They are simply idiots, ignore them and they can't troll the crap out of everyone.
I'm hoping for a similar post on the EU site tomorow then, this wasn't a US issue it was an issue for players in every region aside from Japan and I'm going to assume they know that.Quote:
If my memory is correct we tend to get announcements and such about a day later, so if there's anything for us Europe players (which I'm confident there is) it should be appearing in the next few days before the original transfer date.
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08-24-2011, 02:24 AMMalamasalaIf you were wondering, I was questioning if you could specify exact values and if it wasn't just specific amount equal to your monthly fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
Just "specify" there, so my mind did play tricks on me with remembering "specific". It should be no problems entering any value at that later date.Quote:
- The ability to specify exactly how much Crysta you want to buy [Early Fall]
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08-24-2011, 02:24 AMKarbuncle
Maybe Overpay is not the correct term, in which case we're debating different things.
But these people intend to pay 12.95 a month, They cannot do that. They have to pay 15.00 to have enough to pay their 12.95, They at the moment of transaction are spending more money then they want, 2.05 more.
Next month they'd also need to spend 15.00 on Crysta, as 10$ + 2.05 left over wont pay the account. Either way, Each month you have money you cannot access because you needed to over-buy the crysta enough to pay the amount you wanted.
Truly at this point i cannot comprehend how someone is comfortable with this. Surely its not a giant inconvenience, But its the principle of the matter. Further i repeat, Some people legitimately could not afford to up front that extra 2.05c, Some people have tight budgets. They should not have to throw away their only relaxing activity simply because the Crysta options were sub par, and the other option was a admittedly shady third party company.
They shouldn't need to settle for the lesser of Two Evils, an SE feels their concerns were legitimate. You can stop white knighting this system now. Its changing and those who felt injustices have won. You all just seem like you're really butthurt they're changing it to make it easier, Especially considering the Current Thread tags.
Edit: Tags seem to be deleted? They were "QQ wins" and "Crying wins". Butthurt much. Glad a GM took care of them. -
08-24-2011, 02:25 AMAlhanelemIt's under the UltimatePay option. Select it, and on the next screen you can choose to pay with a credit card only instead of going through paypal or using a game card. All major cards accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
(Note that UltimatePay.com is now owned by VISA. They bought out the company that runs it. If you trust your visa card, you can trust ultimatepay.) -
08-24-2011, 02:26 AMSparthosAgain, your liquid cash has been turned into monopoly money that you lose in the event you quit playing XI or using SE online products. I don't care what SE has planned down the line because it is irrelevant. I want to pay and play for FINAL FANTASY XI in the amount me and SE through a contract agreed upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Do you not see the failings in a system based on rounding? Perhaps that's ok to you in a society where we're used to being hit with fees for everything from cancellation to breathing however.
SE has done the right thing in allowing individuals to pay exactly what they expect through crysta. If these same ideas are spread to all regions then the majority of the complaining will naturally subside. -
08-24-2011, 02:26 AMMalamasalaIt is supposed to say "Did they say specify, or was it specific amount?" and re-reading the first page I confirmed that it was "specify" and my memory did indeed suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackDaniels
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08-24-2011, 02:28 AMAlhanelemApparently you do not see the fact that you can now get exactly the right amount of "monopoly money" to pay for your game and as long as you don't pay until you're ready to commit to playing, you will never pay for something you're not going to use.Quote:
Do you not see the failings in a system based on rounding?
Seriously, this is ridiculous. for the 400th time, SE is addressing your complaint. Stop arguing with me over semantics.
Who the heck is "liking" that? Paying the exact amount is what everyone wanted! Why are we arguing? Why are we complaining? -
08-24-2011, 02:28 AMTacotaruNow this is some news gleaned from this thread. I was hoping I wasn't going to have to go the Paypal route for this with that mentioned, but I thought they were just opening it up to more regions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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08-24-2011, 02:30 AMLagoIs there not still an additional fee I have to pay for routing a payment through UP rather than using my card directly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
UP being owned by VISA just makes this extra hoop make less sense to me. If SE will accept a payment from UP, why won't they accept one from VISA? -
08-24-2011, 02:31 AMAlhanelemYes. That's exactly it. We have reached an accord.Quote:
Maybe Overpay is not the correct term, in which case we're debating different things.
Because UltimatePay means a variety of payment options, not just credit cards. Plus, I imagine, by using their website to service payments under some kind of contract, they are saving money individual transaction costs- it costs SE a few cents for every transaction that takes place if they take direct transactions. Through ultimate pay, they most likely have just a flat cost.Quote:
UP being owned by VISA just makes this extra hoop make less sense to me. If SE will accept a payment from UP, why won't they accept one from VISA?
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08-24-2011, 02:31 AMKarbuncleBecause you claimed we are not overpaying. Now, rather this is the right term or not... to some not a big inconvenience, but to a few, this kind of payment system was not in their budget. These people are simply defending themselves from your asserted claims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Just as you are defending said claims.
Anyway, there were other options so its not a gigantic deal, and they are giving us what we want, which is a great step from Square enix. -
08-24-2011, 02:33 AMOzzymandeus
While I'm still not completely convinced that the correct measures are being taken (as specifics have yet to be announced), I just wanted to post my approval of what SE is claiming they are doing here, as I posted my disapproval in the public bitch thread earlier. Fair is fair.
I'm still a bit disturbed by SE's inability to foresee the problems created with the Crysta/ClickandBuy system, and though SE has made tremendous strides in the last year or so, they still seem to fall into making some really horrible decisions at times. I can only guess as to why this is, but perhaps going on an acquisition spending spree has spread leadership too thin?
Anyway, don't want to beat a dead horse here (others are handling that just fine), so yeah... kudos - okay, tentative kudos - to SE for doing the right thing. I'll be waiting with bated breath. -
08-24-2011, 02:33 AMVivikIt's not semantics if I quit at the end of the month. It's overpaying. Unless I can buy something else with my 2.05 it's worthless. Which is why I will say it's overpaying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Until the new crysta system is actually in place it does not exist, therefor cannot be considered. -
08-24-2011, 02:33 AMFinuvenow if microsoft would just do the same thing I might actually turn my Xbox on for the first time in 2 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sparthos
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08-24-2011, 02:34 AMMaachaThere is an additional fee, but it is small. I tried to do this earlier today, and it was asking for an additional $1.xx on a charge of $100 for Crysta. I was willing to do it, but they wouldn't take any of my credit cards >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by Lago
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08-24-2011, 02:36 AMAlhanelemIt absolutely can be considered, unless your reason for threatening to quit has nothing to do with the payment system. Because if it does have to do with the payment system, the amount of money you will have paid when it is implemented is exactly $12.95 for each month- because so what if you paid $15 this month? When the system is implemented, you will be able to pay $12.95 - $(Remaining balance) and everything will be evened out. You will not have overpaid for anything, because you made up for it with an underpayment.Quote:
Until the new crysta system is actually in place it does not exist, therefor cannot be considered.
There was no fee for me when I added Crysta. Are you from outside the US?Quote:
There is an additional fee, but it is small.
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08-24-2011, 02:39 AMRomanovaThis update said nothing that I saw about the two year expiration on crysta, so as it currently stands you are incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem