[Dev1024] - Job-Adjustments - War.

I call troll, there's no one who can literally think DRK is that great

I have both jobs, Cala and Ukon, and it's immensely clear that WAR scorches the shit out of DRK

Also, on new VWNM, Gekko>Fudo>Kaiten makes SAM pretty lulztastic

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I call troll, there's no one who can literally think DRK is that great

I have both jobs, Cala and Ukon, and it's immensely clear that WAR scorches the shit out of DRK

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You aren't a very good DRK then

Sam at the very least has blade bash (even on a timer) and enhances seigan/TE, so they're still edging out war in damage mitigation, bar the Nms you listed.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I call troll, there's no one who can literally think DRK is that great

I have both jobs, Cala and Ukon, and it's immensely clear that WAR scorches the shit out of DRK

Also, on new VWNM, Gekko>Fudo>Kaiten makes SAM pretty lulztastic

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Weather your statment is True or not, what's the use of bashing other jobs? I myself am pro War & Sam, whom also owns a Uko, but at the same time I don't see a reason to look down on others. All jobs have somthing to offer. This is not Cool. Having different views on a subject matter is one thing, but when You start attacking ppl's job class just because You feel superior is all wrong. You may have a wealth of knowledge, but right now you're not conducting yourself accordingly. Maybe Churchhill is right about You. Right now I am ashame you're even in My job class. You can troll this post all you want. You won't get any response out of Me.

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Originally Posted by Darriken

Was mainly talking to Leon about that. Anyways, but the Best possible WAR, DRK, and SAM, will come pretty close to each other, on those Tyger parses I stated I'm sure they weren't playing to the best. The best WAR i know is my brother, best possible WAR gear pretty much, and he always came slightly behind me.

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Have you played DRK in high end VW before?
50% of the time you're casting magic to proc, 40% of the time you're using subpar GS and Scythe WS's, or maybe even Club or Sword.
10% you get to pull out your weapon of choice and start WSing during blitzes. Hard to call that a real damage dealer.
SAM is similar, but it can DD (w/ aftermath) if you're stacking enough attack, though many situations you won't be capping accuracy so it becomes a problem. Sometimes comes out on top in terms of WS damage, but lack of accuracy food can hurt it pretty bad if you're on in a gutter w/ procs and temps.

I was making a crack about how DRK is forced to play in VW (is it even a DD anymore?) since essentially all you do is try to proc and your damage elsewise (without massive support, as stated elsewhere in this thread) is severely subpar in the end.

Maybe a Redemption would change my mind, but there are like 40 of them or something in the game, and I've never seen Quietus out parse guillotine by much.

Edit: @Glacont: Maybe if SE reads testimonials from players about how underpowered certain jobs are in relevant content that occasionally resembles a challenge they will do something that can actually fix said jobs? Either way, falsehoods are falsehoods and should be pointed out.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Have you played DRK in high end VW before?
50% of the time you're casting magic to proc, 40% of the time you're using subpar GS and Scythe WS's, or maybe even Club or Sword.
10% you get to pull out your weapon of choice and start WSing during blitzes. Hard to call that a real damage dealer.
SAM is similar, but it can DD (w/ aftermath) if you're stacking enough attack, though many situations you won't be capping accuracy so it becomes a problem. Sometimes comes out on top in terms of WS damage, but lack of accuracy food can hurt it pretty bad if you're on in a gutter w/ procs and temps.

I was making a crack about how DRK is forced to play in VW (is it even a DD anymore?) since essentially all you do is try to proc and your damage elsewise (without massive support, as stated elsewhere in this thread) is severely subpar in the end.

Maybe a Redemption would change my mind, but there are like 40 of them or something in the game, and I've never seen Quietus out parse guillotine by much.

Edit: @Glacont: Maybe if SE reads testimonials from players about how underpowered certain jobs are in relevant content that occasionally resembles a challenge they will do something that can actually fix said jobs? Either way, falsehoods are falsehoods and should be pointed out.

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I own an apocalypse and I play endgame (Voidwatch) on it everyday. And that's the same way with everyjob, you get a hint for a weapon you have, and do subpar WS for it. And you are really underrating DRK's ability to put out DMG, but I guess that's useless telling to you because it seems like you are one of those WAR's who when they get an Ukon they think they are the hottest thing ever (I've seen a lot of them go through the Linkshell I'm in right now), and when it comes down to performing, they don't put out. I'm not saying WAR is bad, not at all, it's a phenominal DD just too many people overrate it nowadays. Abyssea is over, some people need to get over themselves.

I agree Ukon is overrated, simply because you can't become the best just by having it like most people think. Seen too many Ukons in full AF3+2 wsing in twilight helm/mail and then wondering why they aren't doing OMG damage like in all the SS's. Then, to top it off, 90% of them don't know what PDT or MDT means which is the biggest part of endgame play.

However, I tank on WAR whenever I get the chance to actually play it, so no; I'm not just proccing like other jobs.

WAR, MNK, SAM can actually be up there smacking the mob with their weapon of choice because they can take a hit and deal enough damage to warrant them being up there. Every DRK I've played with does subpar WS's and dps, and dies too quickly. I'm sure that DRK could tank if applied correctly, don't know why no one ever tries.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I agree Ukon is overrated, simply because you can't become the best just by having it like most people think. Seen too many Ukons in full AF3+2 wsing in twilight helm/mail and then wondering why they aren't doing OMG damage like in all the SS's. Then, to top it off, 90% of them don't know what PDT or MDT means which is the biggest part of endgame play.

However, I tank on WAR whenever I get the chance to actually play it, so no; I'm not just proccing like other jobs.

WAR, MNK, SAM can actually be up there smacking the mob with their weapon of choice because they can take a hit and deal enough damage to warrant them being up there. Every DRK I've played with does subpar WS's and dps, and dies too quickly. I'm sure that DRK could tank if applied correctly, don't know why no one ever tries.

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That is where i have to agree with you. For some reason DRK is the job, people who want to suck at this game play. A lot of WARs are smart and carry around PDT and MDT sets and play the job well. Most DRKs I play with are absolutely terrible. They only switch between TP and WS gear and that is why I think people get the idea that DRK is bad, is because the people who play it.

Gonna agree for my server that job seems to be... Gonna go with War since I see way too many uther's grips and I just smh every time I see them... the 5/5 Emp/fulltime twilight head/body Ukon Wars make me cringe as well.

If they have a PDT set it's llike fulltime Grim if that...

There's a lot of that on Asura. I can literally count on 1 hand the amount of WAR's I've played with that actually have decent PDT MDT sets.

I can't even count the amount of DRK's I've played with that have good PDT MDT sets because, well, there've been none.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

Have you played DRK in high end VW before?
50% of the time you're casting magic to proc, 40% of the time you're using subpar GS and Scythe WS's, or maybe even Club or Sword.
10% you get to pull out your weapon of choice and start WSing during blitzes. Hard to call that a real damage dealer.
SAM is similar, but it can DD (w/ aftermath) if you're stacking enough attack, though many situations you won't be capping accuracy so it becomes a problem. Sometimes comes out on top in terms of WS damage, but lack of accuracy food can hurt it pretty bad if you're on in a gutter w/ procs and temps.

I was making a crack about how DRK is forced to play in VW (is it even a DD anymore?) since essentially all you do is try to proc and your damage elsewise (without massive support, as stated elsewhere in this thread) is severely subpar in the end.

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Because WAR never need to use subpar GA,axe or maybe even Club, Sword, staff,....
because you cant get 2 DRK in your ally (one procing, one DDtanking)

and it's stupid to QQ about a DD nerf by saying we are by far the best DD

Seriously, if you going to post your parse about how war owns all other jobs, call drk a joke , etc etc, then you can't cry about a nerf. You are giving SE more ammo to nerf it more, which listening to some WARs I hope they do. BTW, just because SE gave your favorite job a bunch of broken job abilities doesn't make you a good player. It's like the SAM's who talked smack about nyzul isle at 75. Because Nyzul at 75, or anything else in this game, is hard. Only job I personally always want these days is white mage. Your WAR isn't special to most of us. Plenty of things get done in game without warriors.

Because buffing jobs is too hard (well, it is for SE it seems).

I don't see anywhere on the last 5 pages people QQing about a nerf just people arguing if WAR is tank, or if DRK is the best DD

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Originally Posted by Siiri

Seriously, if you going to post your parse about how war owns all other jobs, call drk a joke , etc etc, then you can't cry about a nerf. You are giving SE more ammo to nerf it more, which listening to some WARs I hope they do. BTW, just because SE gave your favorite job a bunch of broken job abilities doesn't make you a good player. It's like the SAM's who talked smack about nyzul isle at 75. Because Nyzul at 75, or anything else in this game, is hard. Only job I personally always want these days is white mage. Your WAR isn't special to most of us. Plenty of things get done in game without warriors.

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Enjoy your FC parties without a war or a rdm

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Enjoy your FC parties without a war or a rdm

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BLU need no war nor rdm to "cleave" (and tahts not the only one)

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I don't see anywhere on the last 5 pages people QQing about a nerf just people arguing if WAR is tank, or if DRK is the best DD

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Yeah! That was me!

On the actual topic, I don't think the nerf to Restraint is going to be all that detrimental. Sure, we won't see the damage we've been seeing, but we still do phenominal damage as is.

You know what I don't understand...

Restraint get's gimped, which causes our WS spike damage

Impetus, which is incredibly over powered, is left alone

Leon needs an evening playing with a highend group.

still looking for numbers proving your sam epeen

Time for this thread to be locked. It offers nothing of interest/use anymore.

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Originally Posted by Darriken

From what i've seen with my experiences with Voidwatch, DD survivability would go in this order :
Relic RNG > DRK(unless it's an undead mob) > DRG > WAR = SAM

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Problem with this is /sam doesn't give as potent of a defensive option as main sam. And I normally see third eye drop after the first or second attack. I'm not looking for anything game breaking. Just an extra option pass defender and -pdt, dt, or mdt gear. A trade off ability "like defender,berserk", native stun move that isn't weapon based, or even a fear or terror effect added in with provoke would be nice.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Problem with this is /sam doesn't give as potent of a defensive option as main sam. And I normally see third eye drop after the first or second attack. I'm not looking for anything game breaking. Just an extra option pass defender and -pdt, dt, or mdt gear. A trade off ability "like defender,berserk", native stun move that isn't weapon based, or even a fear or terror effect added in with provoke would be nice.

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metatron torment

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Originally Posted by Brolic

metatron torment

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Gimping DD to gain slightly enhanced survivability when it is not necessary is bad, mmmmkay?.

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Originally Posted by Brolic

metatron torment

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I don't know if I'd want to put down my Ukon for a Bravura. Maybe if that ws got turn into something quest~able. But I'd still rather have a JA.

Gear was Acerbic/Hoard/Malflame/Hermes Sandals/Dusk +1/Walahra Turban/Trainee Needle. I have 5/5 DA merits.

10450 rounds, 12204 attacks : 16.78% DA +/- .71%

Looks like W[B]AR gets DA II. Now the question is, do I feel like figuring out exactly what level it happens at? --Byrthnoth 02:19, 5 December 2011 (EST)

All Credit to Byrthnoth from BG , TL DR

WAR GETS DA 2 JOB TRAIT

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Originally Posted by Gokku

WAR GETS DA 2 JOB TRAIT

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I was so excited when I read that... until I realized that's a 1~2% increase? I mean, I won't complain, but meh. We're 99. We should get another 5% or so. SE's fear of overpowering is ridiculous.

At least we can now say /war doesn't have the same DA trait as War main, right?

Double Attack Rate: 10%

Obtained: Warrior Level 25

imma take a shot in the dark Byrth didnt have merits in. makes 0 sense for a 1-2% increase.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

imma take a shot in the dark Byrth didnt have merits in. makes 0 sense for a 1-2% increase.

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He said he did (or more like, you said he did):

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Originally Posted by Gokku

Gear was Acerbic/Hoard/Malflame/Hermes Sandals/Dusk +1/Walahra Turban/Trainee Needle. I have 5/5 DA merits.

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He also edited it as a 2% increase on Double Attack's BG wiki page. So just a little bit depressing. Although, again, not really complaining. More Double Attack is always welcome. Still meh.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

At least we can now say /war doesn't have the same DA trait as War main, right?

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/war didnt have same DA rate than war, /war cant merit DA

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Originally Posted by hiko

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

At least we can now say /war doesn't have the same DA trait as War main, right?

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/war didnt have same DA rate than war, /war cant merit DA

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Two different things. And his comment was legit, seeing how often a trait or ability is gimped for a subjob. We had to sacrifice a merit item to get a bonus on a native trait that other jobs didn't have on their own.