Comet/Meteor

Wow is all I can say, I can't wait for blm to get this.

I don't know if Comet and Meteor would need to be 2hr only. if the wiki is right on them Comet is basically a single based dark elemental attack and Meteor is a non-elemental magic attack. That makes me wonder that if meteor is a non-elemental it's possible that you won't be able to MB unless they give it darkness element and basically give BLM their first dark based elemental dmg attack lol.
Comet could be a tier V type casting speed with similar recast and Meteor could be a AM like casting time with klimaform like recast. Which while it would mean Meteor has the potential to be strong you would only be able to use it every 3 minutes or 1.30 if you use alacrity. Let's see BLM is missing Thunder V, and two -jas. possible those spells will be 92, 94, 96, with the potential that they decide to make Comet 95 and Meteor 99. That would be my guess at least Thunder V 92, Blizzaja 94, Comet 95, Thundaja 96, Meteor 99. Though maybe they'll surprise BLM and decide to add tier 2 DoTs. At least it would add something different to the elemental dmg only spells they've gotten so far.(excluding aspir 2 and break)

Something that just came to mind though, they could perhaps make Meteor more unique to players by adding an effect to Meteor in which it's secondary effect is based on what -ja effect is currently active on the mob. Like with firaja on a mob meteor will deal increased dmg and be fired based. waterja could add addtional effect lowered acc/eva on the mob if you think of a meteor coming down evaporating the water and turning it intoa thick mist. But ya that's just a suggestion if they want to try adding some flavor to the meteor spell since we already know that it's a trademark non-elemental based attack, if they gave a nice twist to BLM's using it I think they would appreciate having options with the spell.

As for Ultima that should prolly be a WHM SCH or PLD ability. Most likely Divine magic to, it could either be light based on non-elemental but it would make no sense to give Ultima to BLM since ultima has always been considered a more light based affinity ability. Hm, maybe SCH, since WHM should be getting Holy 2 this update or next, for anyone that's fought against an IT WHM in dynamis you may have noticed they cast Holy II now and while sure something like utsusemi: san is something some high lv NIN mobs can use it's not really in the same tier of imbalance as Holy II, which would just be an empowered Holy. With the boost given to PLD's divine damage it would be nice to see them get Holy II at 99 and possibly WHM getting Holy II in the next 5 levels.

With holy II out of the way then perhaps SCH will get Ultima, since RDM was promised new enfeebles it wouldn't make sense to add Ultima for them when SE seems to want to focus them more on enhancing and enfeebling rather then their nuking potential.

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Originally Posted by Airget

I don't know if Comet and Meteor would need to be 2hr only. if the wiki is right on them Comet is basically a single based dark elemental attack and Meteor is a non-elemental magic attack. That makes me wonder that if meteor is a non-elemental it's possible that you won't be able to MB unless they give it darkness element and basically give BLM their first dark based elemental dmg attack lol..

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You mean Impact?

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

For Meteor....damaging party members sounds about right, but I would assume it won't MPK:(

I think the spell in FF3 SNES/FF6 ps2 "Merton" did something similar?
http://www.ffonline.com/ff6/espers.htm

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Yes, merton, or Meltdown as it was called in the retranslation, hits both friends and foes. The same applies to the Crusader esper's attack, Quake, and Tornado.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Going to make this concise and just come out and say it.

BLM will learn both Comet and Meteor.

Power...overwhelming...

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<3 What more can I say.

Still wondering about one thing.

What is the difference between Meteorite from Carbuncle and Comet anyway?

Yeah Merton damaged enemies and the party, but could heal the party if everyone equipped flame shields...

Would be fun to see an Ultima from SCH that hits enemies and party members, but the effect of the spell varies based on the target's weather. If the target has Aurorastorm, Ultima heals them, without it it damages them. Aurorastorm because I think of Ultima as light element, if any, but mostly because Aurorastorm is seldom used except on healers. Foregoing Stormsurge bonuses (and I'm hoping other storm stat bonuses to come) to allow for Ultima usage would be an interesting trade-off. Also an odd form of DA Curaga for SCH that would still involve an Accession strategem use, but for Aurorastorm instead of Cure IV.

Mostly, I'm just looking forward to MPKing my LS when Aurorastorm "accidentally" wears off.

And, just to be mean, I'm suggesting the same behavior for Meteor, only with Voidstorm, so BLM has to have a SCH in the party to use it around party members!

Seriously, though, voting for Ultima as the Tabula Rasa spell, implemented as a simple high damage AOE spell on mobs only.

I think we all know what the enemies will be saying after blm receive these spells


It buurnss....

SCH will probably get Comet (the single target) but not Meteor, it's nothing we are really "demanding" its more or less the current system SE is using for SCH >.>

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

SCH will probably get Comet (the single target) but not Meteor, it's nothing we are really "demanding" its more or less the current system SE is using for SCH >.>

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You will still demand Meteor even if SCH gets Comet
Ok.

I was talking with the LS about it all, and they speculated that SCH would get spells like Demi/Ultima possibly under TR effect. Would be interesting. But I do feel that BLM and SCH need more specific spells to attract the use of the job by players. Bar from 'BLM for grellow proc' or 'SCH to super heal alliance' inside of abyssea.

As long as Ultima is basically another Holy type spell like WHM, thats ok by me.

We all know that if Demi was ever made and given to anyone, it would be so worthless that anyone who gets it would be screaming for a fix. Since SCHs are natural crybabies, it would be perfect to give them that spell.

In a few RPG's I've played, Meteor isn't the ultimate move the the mage, but the 2nd most powerful. The most powerful one is a move that consists of them combining all the elements into one massive attack, although the name tends to vary, think the most recent one I've seen is "Ancient Catastrophe" in tales of vesperia, but I'm getting off topic. I'm just somewhat curious if blm will end up getting access to a move of this magnitude at all. If anything, it sounds really cool to look at.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I can't make any promises, but I will try my best to get some more information for you all.

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No, try not. Do, or do not. There is no try. :p

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We all know that if Demi was ever made and given to anyone, it would be so worthless that anyone who gets it would be screaming for a fix. Since SCHs are natural crybabies, it would be perfect to give them that spell.

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We all know Demi is Diabolos 2 hour. And we all know nobody uses it because doing 0.1% damage to NMs is futile.

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

There was also FFVIII with Ultima weapon and Ultima the spell, was considerably broken when junctioned to Elem-Def

Although from what I understand I know some ppl choose to forget that VIII exists.

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I wonder why

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Originally Posted by PandyTwi

In a few RPG's I've played, Meteor isn't the ultimate move the the mage, but the 2nd most powerful. The most powerful one is a move that consists of them combining all the elements into one massive attack, although the name tends to vary, think the most recent one I've seen is "Ancient Catastrophe" in tales of vesperia, but I'm getting off topic. I'm just somewhat curious if blm will end up getting access to a move of this magnitude at all. If anything, it sounds really cool to look at.

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This isnt tales of vesperia lol, and that will not happen im 99% sure we can lean on the fact we wont get super sailor moon magic boomstick spell that floors everything.

Demi is Gavity, and XI's version... doesn't even deal damage. Diabolos's Omen is more like traditional Demi, yes.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Demi is Gavity, and XI's version... doesn't even deal damage. Diabolos's Omen is more like traditional Demi, yes.

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Which still sucks.

Besides, who is writing those tags anyway?

Cause its funny

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

Although from what I understand I know some ppl choose to forget that VIII exists.

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It's because Squall died at the end of disc one.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

on Kirin it can take a formidable portion of its HP off in one fell swoop.

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Big deal when it's easilly zerged in under a minute without 2hrs.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

It's because Squall died at the end of disc one.

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SPOILER!!!!

Wait, he didn't die, just got injured.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

It's because Squall died at the end of disc one.

Big deal when it's easilly zerged in under a minute without 2hrs.

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Sweet, thanks for totally ruining the game for me. This is exactly why we added the spoiler feature!!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Sweet, thanks for totally ruining the game for me. This is exactly why we added the spoiler feature!!

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Please respond to me about my suggestions I've posted in several locations about Camlann's Torment and the small handful of other empyreans who also need attention with the upcoming relic/mythic/empyrean weapon rebalancing.

best thing to come out of this thread so far, well, that and BLM getting Comet instead of SCH

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Originally Posted by Camate

Sweet, thanks for totally ruining the game for me. This is exactly why we added the spoiler feature!!

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Well it isn't a spoiler if it's just a theory that hasn't been confirmed by SE I think. <_< Maybe you guys can figure out if it really is true though. Based on the context of the person who made the theory though it does make sense when you do consider the wound Squall takes at the end of disc one. Then starting on the next disk he even question where the wound went as if it was never there. But ya, if you google "Squall dream" or something to that effect you should be able to read up on the theory which is preyty well thought out.

On another note though why is the spoiler tag such an odd name "HB" what does that even stand for lol?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

best thing to come out of this thread so far, well, that and BLM getting Comet instead of SCH

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I don't believe he clarified that SCH isn't getting Comet, just that BLM is definitely getting Comet.

Yeah Korpg, they never said anything about SCH NOT getting Comet, jeez go troll somewhere else please. You like to try and get a rouse out of people but it just shows how you really are.

Back on topic, Camate, when can we have word on what this 2hr only spell will be? Closer to this coming update or closer to the final lv99 update? I'm just curious as to WHEN we will be getting it really.

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Originally Posted by Airget

Well it isn't a spoiler if it's just a theory that hasn't been confirmed by SE I think. <_< Maybe you guys can figure out if it really is true though. Based on the context of the person who made the theory though it does make sense when you do consider the wound Squall takes at the end of disc one. Then starting on the next disk he even question where the wound went as if it was never there. But ya, if you google "Squall dream" or something to that effect you should be able to read up on the theory which is preyty well thought out.

On another note though why is the spoiler tag such an odd name "HB" what does that even stand for lol?

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Uh, hide button? Pfft, tssh, what are you, new here?

i would think HB would stand for hide behind but hide button works too. lol

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Originally Posted by Ciecle

i would think HB would stand for hide behind but hide button works too. lol

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inb4 [PLD] is added as an alias for [HB]

Ironically Camete just spoiled FFVIII for everyone else since the Dev Tracker bar doesn't censor the spoilers.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

Yeah Korpg, they never said anything about SCH NOT getting Comet, jeez go troll somewhere else please. You like to try and get a rouse out of people but it just shows how you really are.

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Hoping that is your 2hr only spell then?

It's cool, most people skipped that one anyway.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Hoping that is your 2hr only spell then?

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I still don't think it makes sense as a 2HR spell. I'd think a 2HR spell would be something that relates to both Light Arts and Dark Arts. I can't really think of what kind of spell that would be (Enfeebling perhaps? since enfeebling skill gets raised by both arts). Just seems odd that it'd be a nuke.

wait, SCH wants to be the ultimate enfeebler too?

Aren't satisfied with just WHM and BLM, now you want RDM's job too?

I definitely see Ultima being divine magic. It was a white magic spell when it was first introduced in the series in II.

did Korpg really just say that SCH was a WHM or a BLM?

rofl.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

wait, SCH wants to be the ultimate enfeebler too?

Aren't satisfied with just WHM and BLM, now you want RDM's job too?

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This whole 2hr only spell is a stupid idea. No one asked for it and unless its super awesome no one is going to use it. If SE is going to implement a 2hr only spell then they should at least make it something that makes sense. The only thing Light Arts and Dark Arts have in common is Enfeebling skill. I'm not the one who designed SCH, so get off my nuts.

Blm is getting Meteor and Comet, but SCH is getting Death for 2hr spell duh. lol

Under Tabula Rasa, it will probably unlock new spells depending on which Art is active and perhaps be level specific. Maybe Level 20= Full Cure
Level 40= Demi
Level 55= Death
Level 70= Hastega
Level 82= Confuse(in .dats)
Level 90= Toad(in .dats)
Level 99 = Ultima

Or it could be those those dual element spells in the .dats. Aqua, Aer, Ignis etc..