Uh, no, that doesn't invalidate my argument. But whatever...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
I doln't know why you all feel so entitled to this, nor do I know why you want it so bad. You've acknowledged that you probably wouldn't use it much/ever, so why are you begging for it? Asuran fists, by its very name, is built for monks. Why would anyone else learn it?
I was among the first max level PUPs on my server after it came out. I know all too well what it was like in the early days. That doesn't mean I give two farts about Asuran now. They can honestly keep it. I'll stick to Victory Smite.
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06-05-2011, 02:49 PMAlhanelem
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06-05-2011, 03:01 PMMizuharuFuror CestiQuote:
Originally Posted by Ahtos
Scogan's Knuckles
Heofon Knuckles
PUP can clearly wear certain Knuckles... I'm sure it wouldn't break too many backs to have Square-Enix add PUP onto Knuckles of Trials.
Quick little question before I head off to bed... Why is everyone so against this? Besides the "lolwhytakeapupovermnk?" ordel. Does no one on this forum solo on PUP against NMs? Has no PUP on here ever thought "Jeez, too bad I can't blue stagger this NM even though it's Hand-to-Hand because I don't have Asuran Fists..." or, before I mentioned it, has any PUP ever thought about how every job besides PUP has a WSNM WS? DNC got Evisceration though it's described as a front-line healer using TP instead of MP to cure their allies. And has anyone thought about the new players to the game that can't get to Nyzul Isle due to lack of interest from the senior players?
The only reason, as someone mentioned before, that Puppetmaster did not gain access to the Asuran Fists trial was because, prior to the combat skill increase, their Hand-to-Hand combat skill rating was 225 capped at 75. After the cap was raised, they gained 31 skill levels (256). Asuran Fists quest is at 250.
You're right, sorry. What I meant to say is that your argument was flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
So, in your words, because this weapon skill is centered around one job, it's impossible to involve other jobs for it. Say, isn't Decimation from Brutus, the Ex-Beastmaster that now raises Chocobos in Upper Jeuno? Why does WAR get it? The only thing they share with BSTs is that they can use Axes too. Or, for that matter, Retribution. Shantotto's a BLM. So, since the starter NPC is a BLM, shouldn't it be BLM exclusive? Or mage exclusive at the most.Quote:
I doln't know why you all feel so entitled to this, nor do I know why you want it so bad. You've acknowledged that you probably wouldn't use it much/ever, so why are you begging for it? Asuran fists, by its very name, is built for monks. Why would anyone else learn it?
The answer is simple; they meet the required skill level for the skill by level 75. And so does Puppetmaster ever since the combat rating update.
Did you know there's a lack of interest in Nyzul Isle? And some puppetmasters aren't able to get a group together for making Empy relic/WOE Hand-to-Hand for Victory Smite. While I myself might not use this weapon skill because I have Stringing Pummel and Victory Smite, other Puppetmasters could use it until they obtain Stringing Pummel and/or Victory Smite rather than spamming Howling Fists.Quote:
I was among the first max level PUPs on my server after it came out. I know all too well what it was like in the early days. That doesn't mean I give two farts about Asuran now. They can honestly keep it. I'll stick to Victory Smite.
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06-05-2011, 05:57 PMAhtosYou still don´t get the point ^^ why should i solo with my PUP if i can do only 7 (well 8 with AF) blunt WS ? You just waist time if its the ws you can´t use and one more WS doesn´t mean i can proc the !! everytime. It's a 33% chance for H2H trigger and then a 20% chance for AF, or a 6% chance for AF during blunt time..... after all its not worth to waist the dev's time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
Same thing again, MNK can´t do blue !! cuz its Hexa Strike....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
I don´t care if i got a quested ws or not, PUP got SP so why should i want AF ? As WS for DMG ? no thanks. Just for a friggn possible blue !! ? even more no thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
Thats means DNC shouldn´t get any WS cuz its a front-line healer ? DNC can use WS and heal the pt, that isn´t so hard.
If some ppl can´t even get 2 friends and do nyzul with them, then those ppl should think about it what they doing wrong ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
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06-06-2011, 01:03 AMMizuharuIf it was made available to PUPs though, you'd most certainly quest it, wouldn't you? See, you argue against it, but if it was made PUP accessable, you'd quest it. Just like everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ahtos
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06-06-2011, 01:30 AMAlhanelemVery specific exceptions- and. There are always exceptions, but generally speaking PUP can't use those weapons. BLU can't use rapier swords, most jobs other than WHM and PLD can't use maul/hammer clubs... etc.- and often those exceptions are tailor made for a specific job. One or two weapons out of many should not be taken to mean "oh, it can use those!"Quote:
PUP can clearly wear certain Knuckles...
No, I haven't- because having one more blue !! proc doesn't change that hardcore abyssea groups won't let jobs with fewer procs go on those jobs- one more blue WS isn't going to change that. PUP doesn't proc in abyssea. If the automaton could do tier 3 and tier IV nukes of a specific element on command and automaton WS were part of the proc system, then PUP might actually get to go. But that won't happen. Sad reality of any regular abyssea group is your usefulness is determined purely by how many procs you can do. It doesn't matter how much damage you can put out (which is no longer an area PUP struggles in- one reason this ticks me off so much)- you dont have a bunch of procs, you're useless.Quote:
Has no PUP on here ever thought "Jeez, too bad I can't blue stagger this NM even though it's Hand-to-Hand because I don't have Asuran Fists..."
You don't need a full party for nyzul anymore, and it's waaay easier than it used to be. People still need this for the mythic weaponskill quests, so it really shouldn't be that hard to find people.Quote:
And has anyone thought about the new players to the game that can't get to Nyzul Isle due to lack of interest from the senior players?
The bottom line is: It might have been nice to have when we were 75 before Pummel, but now, there's not much reason to be asking for it. MNK can keep their signature move- let us get something new instead. -
06-06-2011, 01:44 AMMizuharu
Again, if it was made accessible to PUPs, you'd still quest it, yes? I havn't seen a no to that yet.
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06-06-2011, 02:00 AMAlhanelemProbably not- I'm too lazy to invest time earning weaponskill points for a WS I'll rarely use if ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
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06-06-2011, 02:45 AMMizuharuWow... Didn't know the well geared PUPs were so quick to pass off having everything for any situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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06-06-2011, 03:20 AMAhtos
Why should ppl waist there time and unlock a WS, if they almost never use this one ? It's a single WS and as PUP you only "need" it for a possible (!!!) blue !!. I would be ok with that if the blue trigger @night is only AF but there are 14 other WS and PUP can only use 7 (or 8 with AF w/e) of those WS.
Idk why you still ignore this fact: Only jobs are usefull in abyssea who can proc the most !! (in this case it's MNK) and PUP don´t count to those jobs, even if they had AF.
If you really want AF, lvl MNK just simple.
We can´t have everything for any situation or did i miss the fact we can use all weapons, all WS and we can say hello to god ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
And no i wouldn´t do the quest cuz its a almost useless WS. -
06-06-2011, 03:24 AMAlhanelemIn what situation would I use Asuran Fists over Victory Smite or Stringing Pummel, both of which are better?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizuharu
Pummel allows Darkness, and Smite can do double light. We certainly don't need it for skillchains.