BLM/SMN Staff Weapon Skills limited without proper subs

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Originally Posted by rog

I seriously hope you do not play blm.

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I do, and when I need the WS for proc (or want the luxury of free reraise or maybe tele), I /WHM. It by no means breaks the job (esp. when it comes to abyssea and atmas), and often times if I did not opt to /WHM to benefit the group, we would not have gotten the proc we need to get the items we are after.

Sometimes you have to be willing to put down the cookie cutters to get things done. Would be nice if we didn't have to, but at least the option is there until SE gets their heads out of their collective @$$es and does right by some of these jobs.

Honestly, i cannot think of any valid situation where you would have no one else that can do staff ws, but would have a blm that could survive without /rdm. Duoing with a rdm is the closest i can come up with, but then the real answer would be to change to war.

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Originally Posted by rog

Honestly, i cannot think of any valid situation where you would have no one else that can do staff ws, but would have a blm that could survive without /rdm. Duoing with a rdm is the closest i can come up with, but then the real answer would be to change to war.

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The idea isn't that BLM and others should get these WS for procs. These WS were not available long before Abyssea or any sort of 'procing' NM that would have required them. This thread was started to point out the irony that certain jobs whose main weapon of choice is the staff (as shown on relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons), or RDM on sword, among others as well I'm sure. There is no reason not to give these WS to these jobs that don't natively have access to them.

PS: I like that you can't "like" your own posts anymore. Rog's posts will always be stuck at 0 now. :P

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Originally Posted by Harukusan

The idea isn't that BLM and others should get these WS for procs. These WS were not available long before Abyssea or any sort of 'procing' NM that would have required them. This thread was started to point out the irony that certain jobs whose main weapon of choice is the staff (as shown on relic, mythic, and empyrean weapons), or RDM on sword, among others as well I'm sure. There is no reason not to give these WS to these jobs that don't natively have access to them.

PS: I like that you can't "like" your own posts anymore. Rog's posts will always be stuck at 0 now. :P

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Not sure wtf you are talking about, since my post was about how blm subbing whm is entirely retarded, not that blm should not get these ws.

You'll have to excuse my occasional dyslexia. The way I read it, I thought you were suggesting the obvious alternative in the case of Abyssea procs. I wouldn't want to rely on a BLM for weapon procs either, but that is beside the point. Anyway... Carry on.

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Originally Posted by rog

Honestly, i cannot think of any valid situation where you would have no one else that can do staff ws, but would have a blm that could survive without /rdm. Duoing with a rdm is the closest i can come up with, but then the real answer would be to change to war.

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Assuming the other jobs have staff and club leveled, then yes...but considering mine have been at/near capped for forever and a day, I am actually ASKED to proc them. Seeing as I have never run into any real problems with it, I have no problem doing it. It works for me and my crew, so we do it when it will help things go smoother.

But, to each his own....

I like your sig, Raist. Just thought I would point that out.
/random off now

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Assuming the other jobs have staff and club leveled, then yes...but considering mine have been at/near capped for forever and a day, I am actually ASKED to proc them. Seeing as I have never run into any real problems with it, I have no problem doing it. It works for me and my crew, so we do it when it will help things go smoother.

But, to each his own....

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I guess, if you are in a pickup group with retards. I am hesitant to count that as a valid situation, but i suppose that is how a lot of people get there gear.

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Originally Posted by rog

I guess, if you are in a pickup group with retards. I am hesitant to count that as a valid situation, but i suppose that is how a lot of people get there gear.

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Actually, it's more a question of efficiency. Why force one job into charging TP up on the spot for WS once you get the hint for what the proc is, when you can spread them out across multiple players? Everyone has TP and once the hint is given, said player runs in to WS and then we continue on to next proc or go into full attack mode. It saves time in the long run. This is how we generally do things, not pick-up groups--it is planned out where everyone is assigned a role so we can do things as quickly as possible.

While BLM/RDM is generally more optimal, when your objective is to hop in, get proc's, and kill quickly /WHM can provide more benefit than what you are loosing by not /RDM. Atma's, food, and gear can cover most everything you would be relying on from /RDM that isn't already covered by the RDM in your group, and by /whm you are providing an additional proc option while relieving that proc duty from another job's list of things to do.

Again, I already stated it is not the best way to go, but it by no means breaks the job. It would be better if we had access to the WS's on the jobs that are built around the weapons in question, but until SE realizes that...using the subjob to gain access is a workable alternative in group situations

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Originally Posted by rog

I guess, if you are in a pickup group with retards. I am hesitant to count that as a valid situation, but i suppose that is how a lot of people get there gear.

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Here's the valid situation: WAR, BLM or SMN, WHM, + one other all got 100% TP farming a pop item. Discernment says "Light WS," go! WHM uses club, mage uses staff, etc = red proc in 10 seconds. Those PUGs aren't looking that stupid if you play what you preach.