Why Do You Loose Claim On Abyssea Mobs If Everyone Is Not Dead?

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Random is describing the different things you can do to make mobs unclaim, not saying that it happens whenever it wants to without any cause. Stop misunderstanding what I am saying. And there's also more ways then you listed for mobs to unclaim.

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My issue was with "lots of ways". There are not. There are exactly two ways. And i understood what you meant from the start.

Sorry, but no. All ways to unclaim a mob boil down to one of those two. Died? Well that causes you to disengage. Zoned? Disengaged. Charmed? Disengaged. Need i go on?

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Originally Posted by rog

My issue was with "lots of ways". There are not. There are exactly two ways. And i understood what you meant from the start.

Sorry, but no. All ways to unclaim a mob boil down to one of those two. Died? Well that causes you to disengage. Zoned? Disengaged. Charmed? Disengaged. Need i go on?

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Which of your 2 categories does casting dia on a mob then running really really far away fall into?
Last I checked that doesn't fall into your categories and it makes mobs unclaim.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Which of your 2 categories does casting dia on a mob then running really really far away fall into?
Last I checked that doesn't fall into your categories and it makes mobs unclaim.

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Ok, you caught me. Deaggroing will also cause a mob to unclaim. Three ways then.

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Originally Posted by rog

Ok, you caught me. Deaggroing will also cause a mob to unclaim. Three ways then.

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Distance will make it unclaim, as well as deaggroing, that's actually 2 more.

My linkshell will usually wait for a group to fully wipe before claiming an NM.

However, if it is blatantly obvious said group is just zombie-killing it with Apoc atma then we will claim as soon as yellow.

Tbh they should make the reraise effect from this atma and twilight gear only work if you're not weakened.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Distance will make it unclaim, as well as deaggroing, that's actually 2 more.

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Distance causes deaggro. Same thing.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

My linkshell will usually wait for a group to fully wipe before claiming an NM.

However, if it is blatantly obvious said group is just zombie-killing it with Apoc atma then we will claim as soon as yellow.

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I agree with this comment, it's a smart move. Not so much anymore because there is multiple ???'s, but before that, when people could zombie stuff for hours and actually keep others from doing it.... I would snag their mobs and kill them. But hey, I was nice about it, I would give them the drops if they didn't nerd rage and start cussing and throwing a fit like a child.

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Originally Posted by rog

Distance causes deaggro. Same thing.

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here's a perfect example of this happening at a bad time, i was fighting a NM with my wife and i had no problem with fighting with pets, but the problem came when my wife did a huge weaponskill and got killed for it that the monster automatically turned yellow just for her dying and i was still fighting it and still had hate, the monster still went after my pet and i had to wait 1-2 hits before i could reclaim the monster. During this time some players thought it was their right to take the mob saying i wasn't skilled enough to fight it even though i had got it down to less then 5%.

This is a real problem, i was still at 100% health and my pet was still fighting but because my wife pulled more hate and died it declaimed open for others to try to steal it. This really needs to be resolved.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

here's a perfect example of this happening at a bad time, i was fighting a NM with my wife and i had no problem with fighting with pets, but the problem came when my wife did a huge weaponskill and got killed for it that the monster automatically turned yellow just for her dying and i was still fighting it and still had hate, the monster still went after my pet and i had to wait 1-2 hits before i could reclaim the monster. During this time some players thought it was their right to take the mob saying i wasn't skilled enough to fight it even though i had got it down to less then 5%.

This is a real problem, i was still at 100% health and my pet was still fighting but because my wife pulled more hate and died it declaimed open for others to try to steal it. This really needs to be resolved.

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Hate has nothing to do with claim.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

My linkshell will usually wait for a group to fully wipe before claiming an NM.

However, if it is blatantly obvious said group is just zombie-killing it with Apoc atma then we will claim as soon as yellow.

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This is what my LS and friends do. We will, however, immediately try to claim the NM if it goes yellow if said group was rude to us earlier (curing and event skipping our people at the ???, rude /tells, unwarranted trash talk in /say, etc.).

That being said, I've had to apoc zombie an NM before (NIN dc'd right as I died to Glavoid's Gorge), and I'm glad no other groups were around. I would not have blamed them for taking the NM. Wiping is no fun, but it happens to everyone at one time or another.