The AFK elephant in the room.

The long and the short of it is: This is the situation we end up when you tie a drop to otherwise-worthless content.

30-40k/piece is not enough that it's worth farming, but it's enough for bots to do, because it's simple and not dangerous at all. Nobody can stop them from doing it either

This is actually surprising to hear considering the ban waves a few months ago.

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Originally Posted by Angemon

This is actually surprising to hear considering the ban waves a few months ago.

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It's surprising that people afk farm? *REALLY?* It's ALWAYS been a thing, and is ALWAYS going to be a thing.

"The Grind" is the enemy, and there is always, and I mean ALWAYS people trying to circumvent it.

As for the real issue at hand it's a vicious cycle. HPB is literally impossible to get for the sane person. If there were ZERO afk farmers, basically all Idris would be non-existant. Square creates these insane grinds for the mentally insane players, and then the programmers use that insane grind to make money. Everything looks good on squares end, because people ARE making Ergons. Everything looks good on players end, cause they're making BANK. Everything looks perfect on paper, and that's all that counts.

A very small amount of people (vocal people) are the only complainers, I don't even know why. It affects you in no way at all. Except positively.

Theres no reason a regular player should care whether lairs are up or not. There is no reason to do them. If you lack skill, use Uragnites, they're EPIC for skill ups.

No matter how many you ban they will come back. I also know some people that aren't actually killing them afk but just afk at the area and kill it whenever they are there. Like knew of some people who would even do it at work when boss not looking or during lunch break. Then when get home etc

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Originally Posted by dasva

No matter how many you ban they will come back. I also know some people that aren't actually killing them afk but just afk at the area and kill it whenever they are there. Like knew of some people who would even do it at work when boss not looking or during lunch break. Then when get home etc

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I totally agree with this as to why a lot of players go AFK or why there are AFK players for long periods of time by knowing where there playing from and knowing what's keeping them occupied in real life to be jumping back on to their online characters always being online "is only half the battle" in mental health smarts!

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Originally Posted by Vae

It's surprising that people afk farm? *REALLY?* It's ALWAYS been a thing, and is ALWAYS going to be a thing.

"The Grind" is the enemy, and there is always, and I mean ALWAYS people trying to circumvent it.

As for the real issue at hand it's a vicious cycle. HPB is literally impossible to get for the sane person. If there were ZERO afk farmers, basically all Idris would be non-existant. Square creates these insane grinds for the mentally insane players, and then the programmers use that insane grind to make money. Everything looks good on squares end, because people ARE making Ergons. Everything looks good on players end, cause they're making BANK. Everything looks perfect on paper, and that's all that counts.

A very small amount of people (vocal people) are the only complainers, I don't even know why. It affects you in no way at all. Except positively.

Theres no reason a regular player should care whether lairs are up or not. There is no reason to do them. If you lack skill, use Uragnites, they're EPIC for skill ups.

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Yeah but they didn't ban people as harshly as they have been in the last few months. I don't care either way as I don't mind them doing it personally.

While the AFK bot is autoattacking the reive log, you go and attack the monsters and get a decent evaluation. The TOS says don't bother reporting someone if they aren't directly griefing you.

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Originally Posted by kittycat

While the AFK bot is autoattacking the reive log, you go and attack the monsters and get a decent evaluation. The TOS says don't bother reporting someone if they aren't directly griefing you.

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we're talking about lair reaves, which can be destroyed in like 30 seconds or less by anyone. I'd argue failing to communicate, and allow someone else a shot to get one when they need one for an objective or operatiom is certainly greifing- although perhaps not as bad as back in the day when people would cast spells on you fighting an HNM to try to make you wipe by drawing hate.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

we're talking about lair reaves, which can be destroyed in like 30 seconds or less by anyone. I'd argue failing to communicate, and allow someone else a shot to get one when they need one for an objective or operatiom is certainly greifing- although perhaps not as bad as back in the day when people would cast spells on you fighting an HNM to try to make you wipe by drawing hate.

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While they can be killed that fast you are most likely not getting anywhere near the new balyd caps on them so it can actually pay to not go quite that fast. As in higher balyd per hour if you are camping a single one. Of course if you are going running a circuit of them and aren't waiting on repops probably better to zerg

New bayld caps? When did they get changed