Living in fear of more monipulators, both weak and strong, being nerfed to oblivion

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Originally Posted by Umichi

ummm the rewards for momipulators are the subspecies you purchase with points... aren't they powerful?

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If you read my post, you'd understand that I'm talking about Gladiators, not monipulators.

It is comparatively more difficult to earn Prestige than infamy. You can earn the latter whether or not you even participate in belligerency (up to a point) where gladiators MUST be in belligerency to earn any at all, and it comes much slower unless you are able to defeat monipulators.

It's fine that the monipulators are powerful. I don't want that to change. However the risk/reward ratio gives low incentive for the gladiator to participate, since you lose 30% of your points every time you die to a monipulator. Even if you gang up on a monipulator there's a good chance of dying. So what needs to happen is the points lost needs to be reduced/eliminated (you have to spend them to get items anyway so I don't know why we have to lose them on death in the first place) and make it purely a reward system. Then gladiators have no reason to be afraid of participating and belligerency is more likely to flourish.

Keep this in mind as well: The Belligerency status is beneficial to Monipulators, whether they fight gladiators or not. Gladiators on the other hand gain nothing from the status (being CG or HCG doesn't confer any benefits) and gain annoyances too, like being unable to ride chocobos as long as they have the key item.

TL;DR: The balance between GLDs and MONs is fine, don't change that. But the point system needs to be less punishing towards both of them. SE announced reducing the penalty against monipulators but nothing about gladiators was said.

They said they were going to make it so merit points could be traded for prestige once a day but all that does is let gladiators buy the items without participating.

Gladiators arguable get more out of flagging belligerancy. Takes all of about a couple of hours to be able to afford new subspecies and then it's back to living less dangerously. The only reason I go farther is so I can convert it to prestige on my mules gladiator lol. But if it wasn't for that I never would flag it since those zones suck to xp in.

Anyways can't gladiators team up? I'd imagine a good pt of players could get decent xp.

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Anyways can't gladiators team up? I'd imagine a good pt of players could get decent xp.

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They can if you can find someone who actually wants to. Otherwise you're stuck trying to find people playing on monsters with reduced movement speed or people that stupidly go AFK with belligerency on. The system is made for people to group up, but nobody seems interested. One factor might be the current rewards, at least for trading prestige, are in non-visible gear slots. I want them to keep monipulators powerful, but II want more reason for gladiators to participate so I can have fun teaming up with them.

Can you summon your adventuring fellow when you're a gladiator? Haven't tried that yet.

Also the monipulator has no incentive to really fight back other than annoyance. So if you can't win easy you run away or disconnect. Being able to exchange infamy for prestige or just let us buy the items with infamy would encourage more monipulators to take risks fighting. And actually making the items not cost so rediculous amounts of infamy for what has so far turned out to be crap to slight sidegrade items. I mean 15k for a 75 torque then 60k to upgrade it enough to evolve than another 60k infamy to max it out? That's 1.35 million xp in crap zones probably fighting ep/dcs just to complete 1 torque. And if you get it from taking it from monipulators because of the whole you always lose more than the oppenent gains thing that's over 2mil xp on the monipulator. Only reason I'm still doing it is to map out all of what we can get and I happen to like just playing. But like you said most people aren't going to give a damn enough to team up until there are better rewards at much more reasonable prices

Would be nice to have a place where you could fight where you didn't lose anything. Even if you didn't gain anything just to do it for fun.

Also a nice thing to have would maybe have a zone of stock monipulator/gladiators to fight kinda like pankration. With different difficulty levels to enter. So you can actually get decent amounts without having to take it from another person.

I'm glad to see that they delayed or cancelled any nerfs with this last update. I'm not as worried anymore: it seems like they're being more cautious based on player feedback.

You also cant use a chocobo for somereason when signed up for being a gladiator. which is why i immediately turned it off on my mule

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Originally Posted by Trumpy

You also cant use a chocobo for somereason when signed up for being a gladiator. which is why i immediately turned it off on my mule

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So that theey don't have a situation where it's possible for players to attack people on chocobos. But yeah, its another thing that gets in the way of participation.

I managed to reach CG but I probably won't reach HCG without running into either a slow monster or an AFK person, since I can't find anyone interested in teaming up.