Inventory space isn't a moot point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
You trying to point out that "what if they want to continue magian trials" when they had already stated they didn't want to continue the magian trial line of quests is a moot point.
On top of that my suggestion used Synergy as the method of combination which outside of acquiring the staves doesn't need trial of the magian quest line.
So your solution is to replace 8 staves with 1 inferior staff to address the inventory issues? How does that even remotely seem logical?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
First the burst damage, BLM would be great for that if they could do it without hitting the Enmity cap because of the cap combined with the fact nothing relevant to endgame needs burst magical damage to be beaten that's well a terrible argument at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
As to the MNK not being on the staves, thanks for pointing out what I thought was obvious. MNK doesn't need them to surpass a BLM in terms of magical damage. I'm not even a BLM and find it to be stupid that when looking for magical damage the best answer isn't BLM.
Soothsayer Staff -- Working as intended?
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06-25-2013, 12:12 AMZagen
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06-25-2013, 02:48 AMDemon6324236Seeing as we just got a staff which ends up with a total of 65MAB & 20INT, and yet still the Magian staves are at the top, I would say right now we already are at the point that they are so powerful that there is no reason to add another staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
Every staff SE has added in years has been a waste, the Elemental staves were the strongest thing till the Magian Staves, very few things ever got even close, like BLM Mythic, SCH Mythic, and the Dorje, I honestly cant remember how good those were back then by compare because they were so impossible to get I ignored them. Now that the Magian staves are around they have added more staves, and still, nothing topped them, they have stood at the top, their cost, inventory space, and just like the years that came before, any serious mage will still pay that cost. At the same time, inventory itself is one of the largest problems in the game, why is it you would want to have to use more for the staves when they could fuse them? I mean look at Iridal and Chatoyant, can I point out that those two staves are level 51, same as the elemental staves, meaning to simply fuse them and give them an upgrade all at the same level was not overpowered? Why would it not be the same in this case? We don't need an upgrade, admittedly the upgrade would be insane because with the weather effect nothing could ever beat it besides Meteor.
The simple fact is, they did it for the other ones finally, gave it upgrades even, and now we have outdated them, in fact, its only optimum use is for curing on SCH so far as I know, nothing more. Why not let us fuse the things we are going to carry around anyways so we can help solve one of the largest issues in the game? -
06-25-2013, 02:56 AMDemon6324236Fusing them is not a moot point, why should I intentionally gimp myself for a single staff when they could easily fuse these together and solve the entire problem. Even if BLM is burst damage, in most cases I have ever seen a DD does about the same or better damage with a WS, as the BLM does with their best nuke, that might change soon, but point stands, their burst damage is lackluster overall in most cases. Also, MNK cant use them, that has no relevance, at all, why would it? MNK does not need nuking staves, his point was MNK could use H2H and out damage a BLM, so he would never take BLM for damage, not saying with the staves he would be better than BLM, the only real use they would provide anyways is Catacleaving in Abyssea...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
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06-25-2013, 10:23 PMKristalYou just said it. Replace 8 staves with 1 slighly less powerfull and you gain 7 inventory slots. 15 if you include both mab and macc magians. Go for a more balanced setup with 40 gear, rather then minmax with 80.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagen
And keep in mind that more powerfull staves are yet to come, there are still 4 Naakuals unaccounted for. -
06-25-2013, 11:39 PMZagenWow, solve inventory space by making one of the weakest damage dealing jobs even weaker... I don't even know what to say to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
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06-27-2013, 11:15 AMChimerawizardWell of course, isn't that what they did when they made the iridial & chatoyant staves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zagen
Wait, it's not? ... Well what did they do then? ... hmm, I see.
Kristal doesn't appear to understand at all, maybe he's actually a DEV.
Also, I am deeply saddened that a MNK is the job to bring if you need magic damage instead of BLM.
I understand how awesome formless strikes is, I have MNK w/ relic+2 aug'd & 5/5 merits, but BLM should still top that in DoT straight magic damage. The fact it does not, and by a wide gap further shows how blm has fallen since 75cap. -
06-27-2013, 12:55 PMDemon6324236So yes, intentionally gimp myself on damage and or accuracy for my nukes or Enfeebles because of inventory space. Do you know how stupid you just made yourself sound? Why would anyone think this is even close to an acceptable answer to this problem especially after SE already gave us Chatoyant, proving they can stack that many effects on a single weapon! Now maybe if you told me they could not stack that many affinity effects on a weapon that would be one thing, or that they could not make a craft for Synergy that requires 8 staves like that, ok, I can accept that. Chatoyant exists though, those things can not be said now, we know Chatoyant has 2 types of affinities which count for all elements, Damage, and Accuracy. There is no logical reason why fusing them together can not be done, if there is, you have failed to provide it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kristal
Yes, 4 more NMs, which also means 4 more NMs worth of MAB gear, with every piece of MAB gear you get the effects of the Magian Staves get stronger and stronger because it is a % bonus. If you look only at the staff, well, right now Soothsayer would be the best if we stuck with lv75 MAB gear, but we are getting upgraded, and the more MAB we have outside the staff, the more we get with Magian. So really, while we might get a new staff that comes closer or tops Magian right now, we also might get new MAB gear, pushing Magian Staves too, which could instantly eliminate the advantage the new ones have.Quote:
And keep in mind that more powerfull staves are yet to come, there are still 4 Naakuals unaccounted for.
Besides that, just real quick. Why would it be so bad to fuse these when the time it would take to do it seems minor at best? As I already explained, Chatoyant is basically the same thing, its not a trial weapon, yes, I know, oh well, they have unique weapons at the end which can be used in a quest all the same I am sure, so the problem is eliminated. Take away the augments, make it a normal base item, and tada, does not need bonus effects like Chatoyant, does not need +stats, just the Affinities of the 8 staves used to create it, and it would be perfect. Do you know how much MAB they would have to stack on a staff to get past the Magian staves without making any new MAB gear right now? Cause apparently, 65MAB & 20INT is not enough, to me, that means just stacking mad amounts of MAB is not working.
Not only that, look at what happened here. Once again, we are talking about a weapon that is what? Level 115 or something like that, losing to level 99 staves? Sounds awfully familiar of Dorje and its battle with the Elemental Staves, higher level, harder to get, weaker in every way. Hmm~... Maybe its time SE stops stacking MAB on things alone, and adds Affinity with MAB on new weapons to have a stronger overall effect? -
06-27-2013, 11:12 PMSpankWustler
First off, I just want to say that Kristal is either the worst poster or best troll on the entirety of these forums. He or she has a lot of...special...posts in a lot of topics.
This is an important point. It looks like Soothsayer staff has a real chance to pull ahead for a while when the formula for Elemental magic changes. Maybe the Soothsayer Staff was even designed with those changes in mind, although that's kind of odd given the staff came out months before the adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
By that time, however, or shortly afterwards, every job that uses the staff could have more Magic Attack Bonus stuff and/or more INT stuff. Will those jobs have any Affinity stuff then that degrades the Magian staves? Highly doubtful. The kind of progress made in other slots isn't kind to Magic Attack Bonus/INT weapons compared to Affinity weapons.
The tiring dog chasing the accelerating car isn't a perfect metaphor for Magic Attack Bonus on weapons, but it's not too far off. It's more like...a dog that gets fatter the more food it eats in an attempt to bulk up...chasing a robotic dog with a rocket on its butt that flies faster as it becomes lighter due to using fuel...and Monk is represented by the robot dog exploding as the fat dog dies from heart failure...or something...
Anyway, the final point is that good Magic Attack Bonus staves would need to be (or at least their stats would need to look) absolutely ridiculous to be the kind of upgrades that good melee weapons are. -
06-28-2013, 02:15 AMDemon6324236That's part of the problem I think we have anyways. Between every kind of weapon in the game, what would have benefitted most from being replaced like this? Staffs, we carry so many of them that for some people it rivals our total for every other weapon we have combined! The thing is, they replaced every best weapon except for staves. Its not like they didn't try, they tried, this is the biggest mass of MAB ever put on anything, its immense, but the problem is that even when they made all these weapons which were so amazing they failed to do the job in this department. They tried to give us absolutely ridiculous stats just like the melee weapons, the problem is, SE does not understand what that means they have to do when it comes to staffs it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler
I think more than anything that is what has people disappointed with this staff, because while everything else was kicked down a notch, the place where we would have actually wanted that, it fell short. -
06-28-2013, 04:52 PMKristalThanks.. I guess? My posts are inspired by a unique view on things :D (I don't go catering to public opinion just to get more likes, for example.)Quote:
Originally Posted by SpankWustler