So is delve for new lvl 99 players?

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

LOL, I am worried their definition of "harder-hard" content is cheap NMs that insta death AOE your group - like ADL, Legion, etc. Or NMs that depends on server wide efforts to "Weaken" it (or in the case of WoTG - areas that are not controlled by beast men). It's been over a year now, they should further tweak Legion, similar to how they make Provenance Watcher more accessible.

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Based on your ffxiah profile, I doubt you've done 1/2 the things you're complaining about (not successfully anyways) The only job I'd guess you have any decent gear on is THF and that's basically worthless other then TH. Also no relic/empyrean/mythic not even the fake empyreans. I don't even see any weapons that are top of the line non-r/e/m weapons. Now obviously FFXIAH misses stuff so maybe you do have decent gear hiding away somewhere...but I would bet you clearly fall into the Empyrean +2 player base.

Before you start complaining about end game that you have no right to be a part of please go find a competent group of players and get some better gear so you can attempt to do these events (that at the moment are far beyond your gear level, wont make any assumptions on your skill) then by all means voice your complaints based on EXPERIENCE not hearsay.

Edit: missed a t in complaints

Looks like this is a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" in the case of the development team. Accessible gear (Empyrean +2 Armor, for example) just is not acceptable to some people who feel the need to look down on everyone else and the devs cater to these insecure gaming geeks with content that locks out anyone who doesn't have Relic/Empyrean/ Mythic weapons, VoidWatch gear, or New Nyzul gear. In some cases, the content is made practically unwinnable with most jobs (see New Nyzul, Legion, etc.).

One question the developers need to ask themselves: What point is there to making gear drops in content that doesn't allow most jobs to take advantage of it?

Edit: The above post makes my point for me before I could even post this. Too many people seem to want Empyrean +2 armor to become as meaningless as Relic Armor became at 75...and for what? To inflate their already out-of-control egos?

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Originally Posted by Hayward

One question the developers need to ask themselves: What point is there to making gear drops in content that doesn't allow most jobs to take advantage of it?

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Balance >.>

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Yes, I'm talking about post nerf legion, that was the whole point. But i doubt you truly needed an army of 99 relic wielders to do it before that.

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You don't -need- an army of RME to do ANYTHING. A bunch of gimps with common sense can do just about everything in this game. The problem is, common sense is significantly less common than RMEs are and it's easier to say "RME onry" than it is to explain to people a real strategy and expect it to be executed.

Everyone's in such an asinine rush these days. It's the same reason why folks refuse to let people re-stone in Voidwatch. "oh, its not hard at all to unlock all six stones." You know what takes even less time? Outposting to Valkurm.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

One question the developers need to ask themselves: What point is there to making gear drops in content that doesn't allow most jobs to take advantage of it?

Edit: The above post makes my point for me before I could even post this. Too many people seem to want Empyrean +2 armor to become as meaningless as Relic Armor became at 75...and for what? To inflate their already out-of-control egos?

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SE doesn't decide what jobs get to do things or not. My PUP, with Verethragna should I ever decide to finish it, could likely compete with MNK in damage in Voidwatch if I really put the effort in -- but its the community that decides "lolPUP, no thanks." Just like it did before.

That's why I hate whenever someone's response to me not wanting to keep investing in a job is "Well, that job's great in dynamis/limbus/salvage."

You mean shit people barely do anymore...? That every pet job or high evasion is "good" at?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Yes, I'm talking about post nerf legion, that was the whole point. But i doubt you truly needed an army of 99 relic wielders to do it before that.

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The higher HP, damage, and evasion, yeah Ragnarok was a much needed weapon sadly.

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Based on your ffxiah profile, I doubt you've done 1/2 the things you're complaining about (not successfully anyways) The only job I'd guess you have any decent gear on is THF and that's basically worthless other then TH. Also no relic/empyrean/mythic not even the fake empyreans. I don't even see any weapons that are top of the line non-r/e/m weapons. Before you start complaining about end game that you have no right to be a part of please go find a competent group of players and get some better gear so you can attempt to do these events (that at the moment are far beyond your gear level, wont make any assumptions on your skill) then by all means voice your complaints based on EXPERIENCE not hearsay.

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This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

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The thing is, the more skilled you are generally means the better gear you have as a result...

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Originally Posted by Hayward

Looks like this is a case of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" in the case of the development team. Accessible gear (Empyrean +2 Armor, for example) just is not acceptable to some people who feel the need to look down on everyone else and the devs cater to these insecure gaming geeks with content that locks out anyone who doesn't have Relic/Empyrean/ Mythic weapons, VoidWatch gear, or New Nyzul gear. In some cases, the content is made practically unwinnable with most jobs (see New Nyzul, Legion, etc.).

One question the developers need to ask themselves: What point is there to making gear drops in content that doesn't allow most jobs to take advantage of it?

Edit: The above post makes my point for me before I could even post this. Too many people seem to want Empyrean +2 armor to become as meaningless as Relic Armor became at 75...and for what? To inflate their already out-of-control egos?

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Bayld gear is not accessible enough for you? How much more accessible should it be made? I have no desire to look down on people with worse virtual shinies than me, but I want the game to give me a challenge and entice me to find a way through that challenge with a shinier shiny than my current shiny. Shiny.

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

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That's not racism, racism is the fact that I'm a Tarutaru meaning most people don't want me to go to Legion on a DD job because it's easier for me to die in 1 hit. You should learn the meaning of the words you use before you throw labels around.

I do not feel as though I'm better then anyone, I know for a fact that I have more skill than some and less than others. Gear and skill both have limits, this becomes very evident in certain events. I have lost many NNI runs because idiots with awesome gear cannot do lamps and no not listen. At the same time I have lost some NNI runs because I watched poorly geared players fighting mobs and not basically 1 shotting everything in sight. Or those who are unwilling to go the extra mile and buy multiple Powder boots.

I can't do anything about the idiots who can't do lamps other then not go with them again, however I can prevent the painful experience of watching a gimp SAM fight an EP mob forever by excluding them based on gear. Why should I set myself and 4 others up for failure? If someone wants to do NNI in pearl gear then they should shout and make their own group not expect me to invite them and waste others time.

My solution is not to tell people to go get better gear. There is a path of progress being created in this game, one that exists in many if not most other MMORPGs. You aim for goals that are within your reach, once you have obtained that gear you are able to progress to another tier of gear.

To the post above, I have no interest in them making Empyrean +2 meaningless. Growth is growth, at some point characters will grow to a point where adding new content must be made inaccessible to some or it will be far too easy for others. I'm glad it's not WoW where when a new tier comes out the old tier is completely replaced.
My SAM uses gear from AH, Dynamis, CoP(ring), Salvage, NNI, WoTG(earring), Abyssea, WoE, VW, and now SoA/Reives.

tl;dr?
There's nothing in this game that makes me feel better or worse then anyone. It's a videogame and I play to enjoy myself(for me story, fighting awesome monsters with a group, and setting goals to accomplish.)
Gear and Skill are both very important and both can only go so far. Your gear sets the cap on your skill. You can be the best player in the world but without the gear certain things will be out of your reach. NNI is again a great example. A timed event where you can be an amazing player, but if you can't kill fast enough you will lose.

Remember that you may be heard by making a lot of noise, but it doesn't mean anyone is actually listening.

Anyways, I'm out...Stopped reading 1/2 way through page one so I probably derailed this enough~

Don't shit in the punch bowl and run away, it was just getting good. :(