Petition to be put back on dagger

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12-07-2012, 05:16 AM
tyrantsyn

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

While we will not be making daggers specifically for red mage, in the future when we increase the amount of weapons, we will be adding a variety of types that can be equipped by red mages. Though red mage is proficient in close range combat, they will not be receiving the same kind of daggers that can be wielded by thieves and dancers, who are the masters of this weapon.

Kind of like I was saying.
12-07-2012, 08:54 AM
saevel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

While we will not be making daggers specifically for red mage, in the future when we increase the amount of weapons, we will be adding a variety of types that can be equipped by red mages. Though red mage is proficient in close range combat, they will not be receiving the same kind of daggers that can be wielded by thieves and dancers, who are the masters of this weapon.

Holy sh!t they actually answered a RDM question. Thought it was kinda a low priority one.

Camate RDM is currently in no way "proficient in close range combat", too little gear / JA / JT selection. Start talking about native DW and u might get close.
12-07-2012, 09:12 AM
Genoxd

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Originally Posted by Kristal

It's a mystery! Just like, why does PUP have access to so much mage gear, but virtually no DD gear?

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.
12-07-2012, 03:51 PM
ManaKing

Pretty sure he just said, "Keep Working on getting your Ephemeron"
12-07-2012, 05:17 PM
Crimson_Slasher

Im glad we got aluh, as long as i get an occasional dagger thrown my way, i can enjoy it, i agree we need more gear to supplement our melee outside of weapons though. What i do wonder though is if corsair and bard then will be getting shelfed with rdm when it comes to daggers. The whole "Keep casting/singing/rolling+shooting, you might poke an eye out with that!" mentality. I do enjoy when there is some bleed-over between weapon classes and jobs. I mean war and drk trading a few axes/greataxes/scythes/greatswords between eachother as long as one has an edge with their native toys is fine, i also always feel like just about every job can bring 2 or more weapons to the table, however thats not true. But it feels that way sometimes.
12-07-2012, 06:04 PM
Karbuncle

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.

Pretty sure this was proven false about a year after PUP was released.

I think this was early speculation. Honestly, PUP is on all this mage gear because they originally intended Puppetmasters to be a Support role, and their Automatons would be the Fighters. The Mage Frame was for solo or Main Healing Support I assume.

So they tossed PUP on a bunch of mage gear expecting them to be like SMNs, Sub WHM, Back up cure whore, etc.

Also, RDM is on Mandau, the best dagger in the game. The idea of them not getting "Same daggers as THF/DNC" make no sense TBH. I like that THF/DNC Get exclusive/Semi-Excllusive daggers, Its just a crying shame All of them generally suck horribly, or are incredibly situation compared to Aluh Jambiya or STR Thokcha... or have such niche uses they're only worth obtaining on a casual interest.

Coruscanti is the only one with a real DD interest, and even it can fall flat. Gusterion is situationally useful, Blink lasts a criminally short time, but has a high proc rate apparently, Could be nice in Solo Dynamis. Asteria is a Ballsack of garbage, shame considering the NM that drops it.

Oxxosi Focon, Or w/e, From the Crafting is actually pretty good as a +1, But they went full retard on it and the DMG:51 stays 51 HQ or NQ, when it should be 52 on HQ... No excuse for keeping it... Thats a minor complaint, Oxxosi is great for High Evasion enemies, or hard hard content, But even it does fail to STR/Aluh in most situations.

Basically, There's a slew of daggers, Most terrible, Some good, and none of them would break RDM, and I wouldn't exactly cry fowl if they could equip them... It would just give Coruscanti a good use as an offhand to RDM's Aluh (if they dont own Mandau!)
12-07-2012, 06:59 PM
Kristal

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Originally Posted by Genoxd

Because master stats vs automaton stats actually determines overload rate. Mage stats, like INT, help with suppressing Ice overload. AFAIK.

If that was the case, why isn't PUP on Kirin's Osode? +10 to all stats, and it is wearable by MNK/SAM/NIN. It would be a solid PUP macro piece now, and probably main gear back at 75.

But since this is a RDM forum, might be best to keep the lolpup's lament in the other forum :D
12-08-2012, 03:45 AM
ManaKing

Kirin is older than PUP and FFXI has a long history of not putting new jobs on specialty gear that has already been released.

Also, the point of daggers in your offhand for RDM is to lower your total delay so your high damage main hand contributes the lion's share of your damage in a dual wield scenerio. The reason that Mandau is great and terrible at the same time is that it's delay is low. Mandau hits harder than any dagger, so being faster makes for very high DPS. The downside is that you can't really match it with another dagger of equal quality because everything else that has good stats is higher delay. Further you can't offhand a Mandau and get the attack, which is a shame, since it would probably be the best offhand in the game for RDM.

Spending the time to make a Mandau for an offhand, much less get it to 99, and then not get the attack is simply bias. Dual Wield is still viciously inferior to 2H weapons. It makes no sense for 1H jobs to not be able to offhand their Relics for an Attack boost if they choose to spend the money or time to acquire them. Once again, 2H Relics can only be main handed, because of their nature, and thus they always get the +Accuracy that is on them on top of better scaling off of stats to give them innately higher Attack. Why is it ok to make 1H Relics blatantly inferior not only in their general properties but also in their applications?
12-13-2012, 03:26 PM
Mageoholic

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

While we will not be making daggers specifically for red mage, in the future when we increase the amount of weapons, we will be adding a variety of types that can be equipped by red mages. Though red mage is proficient in close range combat, they will not be receiving the same kind of daggers that can be wielded by thieves and dancers, who are the masters of this weapon.

How are DNC's anymore better equipped than RDM at Dagger proficiency? Is it the 6 skill? If that is the case why is BRD on the daggers? I mean RDM has 10 more Skill than a BRD!.

If Skill is the merit for masters? Why is RDM enfeebling so underwhelming in comparison to WHM or BLM, or SCH. Why is RDM enhancing underwhelming compared to /RDM enhancing?

If Skill is the precursor to what quantifies master and equipment and ability why is DRK on EX Sword WS and RDM not? I mean RDM has a higher skill.

Would you mind quantifying your statement some please? I am looking at a job that is bottom of the barrel, a job that is as useful in a subjob capacity as a main job capacity, and from what I read is that skill determines the functionality of jobs...why is RDM not being addressed in the same capacity?
07-28-2013, 05:16 AM
Demon6324236

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

While we will not be making daggers specifically for red mage, in the future when we increase the amount of weapons, we will be adding a variety of types that can be equipped by red mages. Though red mage is proficient in close range combat, they will not be receiving the same kind of daggers that can be wielded by thieves and dancers, who are the masters of this weapon.

Coming back to this post, as it has been more than 6 months... I have to ask, where are our new daggers?

Since this post, no, correction, since the level 90 cap was broken to allow us to level to level 95, we have gotten only 3 new daggers.

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The second is level 100, third 101.

Lets look at daggers other jobs got since Adoulin was released...

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I do not know each ones level.

Now, I would never argue we should have every dagger. But the best we have is a dagger that is level 101, with 44DMG, the best for THF & DNC is at 108DMG. While I would never argue we should have all daggers, or the best daggers, we should have better than a dagger with literally half the DMG of a THF or DNC dagger. We have waited a while, but the results are lack luster to me so far as this goes, please, if you are going to give us daggers, make them daggers which are worth using. Aluh was a great weapon, it was one of the best daggers and allowed a RDM to actually be fairly strong with daggers unlike our normal, but now that its gone, what is their left for us in this field?

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