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03-20-2011, 04:10 AM
Donwu

Ya the concept of bst without a pet is a pretty awesome one. I'd rather see mimic or something though. Unlockable through obtaining 75 or 60+ in all jobs. Something like skills across the board of B-/C+ so that it isn't overpowered. That way, when you mimic Freeze or something you aren't dropping nukes at 1500 a pop. closer to something like 1kish. Still viable, but not to the point they make or break a mob. Then have the mimicry last on a single character for 1 min then 2 min recast and use h2h/sword as melee in the meantime. Idk. Something I kinda was thinking. Would be pretty hard to implement a new job at this point though. Plus, The other benefit with the requirements would be everyone couldn't spam it. Only those who have everything leveled.
03-20-2011, 06:30 AM
Tsukino_Kaji

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Originally Posted by Jalonis

Also, smaller forms for the highest levels. They would either have to be shrunken models which would look stupid as hell, or you'd be stuck fighting beside a dragon which takes up your entire screen.

Actualy changing the players model during forms would be nearly un-implementable(Yes I am awake of costume effects.). They could be more easily represented by auras or something similar.

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Originally Posted by Gennadi

Can you explain in more detail please i still don't get it

Think of the feral pact menu like the pet menu, it's empty until you have something out. Likewise, when you activate one of your feral forms, this menu will then have the form apropriate actions.
For example we'll use a 90SHF/45WAR: At that point You should have around 1000 HP and MP.
You activate Form of the Winged Tyrant from your JA menu Feral Froms III. Now while in this form, your character will then gain an aura(probably) and a status effect icon indicating that they are now in a/under the effect of a feral form. Now that you are in the Form of the Winged Tyrant your MP will begin to decrease to maintain said form, your once empty Feral Pact JA menu will now hold new actions that cost MP and your weapon skill menu will hold new weapon skills. Once out of MP your current feral form will be automatically canceled.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

To shut them up, you should remove the magic based aspect and make it melee/ranged depending on form.

Something is required to determine the strength of feral pacts.

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Originally Posted by Donwu

Ya the concept of bst without a pet is a pretty awesome one. I'd rather see mimic or something though. Unlockable through obtaining 75 or 60+ in all jobs. Something like skills across the board of B-/C+ so that it isn't overpowered. That way, when you mimic Freeze or something you aren't dropping nukes at 1500 a pop. closer to something like 1kish. Still viable, but not to the point they make or break a mob. Then have the mimicry last on a single character for 1 min then 2 min recast and use h2h/sword as melee in the meantime. Idk. Something I kinda was thinking. Would be pretty hard to implement a new job at this point though. Plus, The other benefit with the requirements would be everyone couldn't spam it. Only those who have everything leveled.

It was planned more on the concept of something more akin to berserk, if you're raging, you're not likely to be able to comprehend the intricacies of a sword which is why I left it to H2H only. B or C skills may be a little extreme too because while a form is active, their value is increased based off of your Fearl Magic Skill. B+B mod=too high and feral magic needs to be higher on it's own to proporly effect feral pacts.
03-20-2011, 07:48 AM
Crysten

/facepalm

OK, let me break this down a bit for you to understand, since this seems a little hard for you.

Feral Pacts = You use a TP move based on the form you're in. Ready/Sic = You use a TP move based on the pet you have out. You know what that is? That's a BST's pet without the BST, with Call Beast on a 1 minute cooldown.

Forms = different abilities augmented based on each form. Three words: Blue magic traits.

Mob TP moves used at an MP cost = BLUE MAGIC.

How is this NOT a Blue Mage/Beastmaster hybrid, I mean, seriously?

I applaud the OP for trying an interesting idea, but it's been done.
03-20-2011, 08:01 AM
Tsukino_Kaji

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Originally Posted by Crysten

Feral Pacts = You use a TP move based on the form you're in. Ready/Sic = You use a TP move based on the pet you have out. You know what that is? That's a BST's pet without the BST, with Call Beast on a 1 minute cooldown.

You very obviously didn't read it very well.
03-20-2011, 08:10 AM
Zyeriis

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Originally Posted by Crysten

/facepalm

OK, let me break this down a bit for you to understand, since this seems a little hard for you.

Feral Pacts = You use a TP move based on the form you're in. Ready/Sic = You use a TP move based on the pet you have out. You know what that is? That's a BST's pet without the BST, with Call Beast on a 1 minute cooldown.

Forms = different abilities augmented based on each form. Three words: Blue magic traits.

Mob TP moves used at an MP cost = BLUE MAGIC.

How is this NOT a Blue Mage/Beastmaster hybrid, I mean, seriously?

I applaud the OP for trying an interesting idea, but it's been done.

Maybe you should facepalm harder, perhaps make that palm a fist, to knock some sense into yourself. You called the job just another Blue Mage. I told him to remove the mp. You then called it another Beastmaster. Thus surmising that you believe the difference between beastmaster and blue is mage, is that blue mage has mp. Which is idiotic, as was that post.
03-20-2011, 08:13 AM
Crysten

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You very obviously didn't read it very well.

Feral Pact: 1 minute cooldown, allows you to use 1 TP move for an MP cost.
Sic: 1 minute cooldown per charge, allows you to use a select TP move with enough charges ready.

Using Charges vs. Using MP. BLUs vs. BSTs.

See what I'm getting at?

Also Zyerlis, no need to start throwing nsults around.
03-20-2011, 08:14 AM
Tsukino_Kaji

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Originally Posted by Crysten

Feral Pact: 1 minute cooldown, allows you to use 1 TP move for an MP cost.
Sic: 1 minute cooldown per charge, allows you to use a select TP move with enough charges ready.

Again, Feral Pacts are not TP.
03-20-2011, 08:14 AM
TearValerin

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Originally Posted by Jalonis

You basically copy and pasted summoner and changed a few names. It's a good idea but I find your implementation extremely lacking.

Also, smaller forms for the highest levels. They would either have to be shrunken models which would look stupid as hell, or you'd be stuck fighting beside a dragon which takes up your entire screen.

^ This. Sounds like a DnD druid rip off. If a new job were implemented, I would prefer something that was left out of one of the olderjob oriented FFs like FFT FFIII or FFV. Like Time Mages, or Geomancers... Geomancers would be freaking awesome.
03-20-2011, 08:16 AM
Dauntless

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Originally Posted by Crysten

/facepalm

OK, let me break this down a bit for you to understand, since this seems a little hard for you.

Feral Pacts = You use a TP move based on the form you're in. Ready/Sic = You use a TP move based on the pet you have out. You know what that is? That's a BST's pet without the BST, with Call Beast on a 1 minute cooldown.

Forms = different abilities augmented based on each form. Three words: Blue magic traits.

Mob TP moves used at an MP cost = BLUE MAGIC.

How is this NOT a Blue Mage/Beastmaster hybrid, I mean, seriously?

I applaud the OP for trying an interesting idea, but it's been done.

/doublefacepalm

You fail.
03-20-2011, 08:24 AM
Tsukino_Kaji

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

^ This. Sounds like a DnD druid rip off.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

That gear is quite nice. But I don't see the connection.
I was thinking of D&D Druids.

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