Heavy Metal Plates

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

More so than the huge number alone, I think the bigger issue is that VW is already starting to slow down. It's probably likely that HMP will soon go the way of alexandrite, especially when the new expansion hits.

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This is the only real problem with plates. 1500 is nothing in the grand sceme of weapons. This same issue aplies to the trials above plates as well.
And if people want to argure how much more relic costs, they're full of it, you can solo plates.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

And if people want to argure how much more relic costs.

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Not sure who would argue that relic costs more. Plates alone cost more than an entire relic weapon from start up to lv95 with the same amount of work if not less seeing as it is much easier to solo the WS trials for Relics than it is to solo making an Emp. Like I showed in my math, relics cost 196~242Mil from start to 99 and Empyreans cost 195~270Mil. Emps are more expensive after the Lv90 trials and more work before that than you see in Relics during their WS/NM trials.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Not sure who would argue that relic costs more. Plates alone cost more than an entire relic weapon from start up to lv95 with the same amount of work if not less seeing as it is much easier to solo the WS trials for Relics than it is to solo making an Emp. Like I showed in my math, relics cost 196~242Mil from start to 99 and Empyreans cost 195~270Mil. Emps are more expensive after the Lv90 trials and more work before that than you see in Relics during their WS/NM trials.

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Try quoting the whole thing before you post against it, you're arguing half a sentance and not even the part that had the point to it. Besides, if you bought plates, it'd cost you 150m which is the aporximate market value of a relic.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Try quoting the whole thing before you post against it, you're arguing half a sentance and not even the part that had the point to it. Besides, if you bought plates, it'd cost you 150m which is the aporximate market value of a relic.

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Relic
Coins=8k
Byne=8k
Shells=6k
Lv75 Total=121~142Mil

Most expensive relic is the gun according to these prices which are around or slightly higher than Phoenix average. Average relic cost is 130Mil or so, not 150. As for arguing that part, yes, I argue the part I saw incorrect. As for the rest of it I think it goes without saying that supply is a problem, same with Alexandrite. If they were to increase the amount of Plates however it would need to be by a large number, even only doubling it would not make much difference because the increased numbers would drive more people to try getting them keeping prices the same or rising them higher along with the demand which would lead to potential shortage again.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

which is the aporximate market value of a relic.

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Last I checked 142 is approximately 150, but you're traying from teh point of the thread here and still going on about something COMPLETELY different then the half a sentance you quoted earlier. Something needs to be fixed about plates and it's not the quantity.

If you think the lv 95 trials are hard, you didn't look into the 99 trials. HMP trials are fine, because the HMP price is comparable to what you have to do to get a 95 relic, and 90 trials cost almost nothing even if you buy POP items (I spent less than 15 Mils for AH pops on daurdabla trials for example.)

What's more HMP is very common in bazars, the supply is there if you are willing to pay for 120~150k.

The 99 trials are bullcrap. Riftcinder is especially rare and hunted down in bazars by many people, price jump to retarded amounts. 99 trials for relics are the opposite: umbral marrows are massively farmed, and their bazar prices has droped a lot in the last 2 months.

Whether you think those upgrades are not worth it or are worth is not the issue. If you want the best weapon for your job, you have to make them. I see many people claim they are not worth it because they "only" give DMG lol. DMG is awsome. It means in any situation, melee or WS, hard mobs or lower mobs, your damage improves, contrary to +STR/DEX/ATT/ACC etc. Vereth and spharai get 10~15% dmg up from 90 to 95 which is a lot.

I'd aggree though, that Daurdabla lv 95 trials is a masochist joke form the Devs because the upgrades are actually = to nothing (skill doesnt mean anything anymore to brd). They are just a painful step for the true upgrade: lv 99 trials.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

Tell that to all of us who finished the Old School Chains of Promathia storyline. Then ask me if I care if SE changes the requirements for getting your Relics / Mythics / Empyreans to 95 / 99. I mean I'm glad you love the game so much that you felt the need / desire to take the time to get everything to make your weapon, but seriously if you're going to whine if they change the requirements / drop rate of Alexandrite and or Heavy Metal Plates, then you need to reexamine why you're playing the game. If they change the requirements , who cares... oh wait You do because then you won't be so special anymore.

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Relax sweet heart before you pop a blood vessel and have a stroke.

@ Sparthos An I agree with you, I do think there need's to be more option past VW to get these and the 95-99 items.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

I think the number required is alright, when you can get 6-11 HMP on something like a qilin run, but I agree the drop rate should be considered for adjustment. I have all priepts for VW, and did Qilin 18 times yesterday, and didn't get a single HMP. Each Qilin had capped lights, and I traded 3 rubi cells each time and even 3 cobalt on 4 of the runs. If you received 10-20 for doing that many pops each time, 1500 at least seems obtainable, especially considering you can buy them from bazaars.

I should note this was the worst drop rate i've experienced with HMP, I usually at the very least get a pouch of 3 from a x6 Qilin or Aello run.

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Sounds like you would be better off just taking the cruor and turn it into Gil and just buy the plates.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

Sounds like you would be better off just taking the cruor and turn it into Gil and just buy the plates.

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Oh I wasn't even after the HMP for myself, I was just reporting back how often they dropped in a lengthy run. I don't plan on taking an empyrean weapon past level 90 for a long time if ever.

You guys are blaming SE because PLAYERS have decided the price of the plates? Correct me if I am wrong. Stop buying the plates at ridiculous prices and they will drop.