Thieves and Voidwatch

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Just add bully as a VW proc.

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Would still be the most useless proc job in VW.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

[..] as others have said, THFs have been a favourite for many events [..]

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They haven't. TH has been a favorite. And THF, being the only job with a high degree of it, was included by extension. That's why you'll never have two THF for any one event, because the effects don't stack. Normally, if a job is good, you'd want more of it. With THF, that's not the case. Anything more than one THF are wasted spots. Admittedly, allowing TH to have more of an impact would help alleviate the current THF dilemma in VW, so I certainly wouldn't be complaining.

But that comment is like saying VW favors all jobs, which that's not the case. The proc system just artificially forces job inclusion, not because of the functionality of a job itself, but because SE thought this was a good way to promote "diversity". VW favors the same jobs that almost all other events ever did, good DDs and healers. Everything else has to be decided on a trade-off basis, trade regular efficiency (DDs and healers) for artificial efficiency (proc jobs) through permanent procs. If you think jobs are "included" because they have to proc things (which is essentially why THF is included for other events), I don't see why you even bother to play other jobs. A BLU in VW is not a BLU, it's a spell spammer for procs. Just like THF, in most events, isn't a THF but a TH whore.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

TH has been a favorite. And THF, being the only job with a high degree of it, was included by extension. That's why you'll never have two THF for any one event, because the effects don't stack. Normally, if a job is good, you'd want more of it. With THF, that's not the case. Anything more than one THF are wasted spots.

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Black Belt fights. Healer and 2 THFs. The only Damage that is done is though Sneak Attack or Trick Attack. Maximum way to get TH as high as possible, since you have to waste your KS to get the pop item.

Fights not going fast enough? Throw in some more THFs.

Events like this are severely limited to NMs that have farmed pop items, and no procs as a better way to get drops, but they are there.

As for "THF wasn't wanted, TH was" I also disagree on that too, since THF is also a great blink tank. Therefore if you want to low-man something, THF might as well be 1 of the people going if it's a toss-up between nin, mnk, dnc or thf to blink tank it. TH might be all THF has, but it's the most highly sought after JT for most events. VW being 1 of the exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Probably because this has little of interest to other jobs.

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I guess people dont want their Toci's or Corsu's or Mekira's...

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Just add bully as a VW proc.

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THFs have been a favourite for many events, and I don't mind that for VW I pull out my SMN, as it gives me the opportunity to get some skillups, since the only other place I use SMN is in campaign or WoE... neither of which give skills ><

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Adding bully wont change anything. one unique proc in a pool of ~450 isnt going to do anything. pup and bst have a lot more unique procs...I've done one VW set with pup, I've yet to do VW with a bst.

and THF wasnt a "favorite" for any event. If it wasnt for TH, people would have told a majority of thieves to change job.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Black Belt fights. Healer and 2 THFs. The only Damage that is done is though Sneak Attack or Trick Attack. Maximum way to get TH as high as possible, since you have to waste your KS to get the pop item.

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TH might be all THF has, but it's the most highly sought after JT for most events. VW being 1 of the exceptions.

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You'd be better off getting the items from the KS99 iteself...I'm 0/5 on KB drop strictly killing Behemoth with SA and TA blows. And I wouldnt really consider "kings" an endgame event now, nor is "let the thieves try to raise TH as high as possible because the drop rate on HQ king pop item is something like 0.01%"

Repeating myself for the third time on this: In the prime endgame event right now, one that people will probably still be doing unless the legion loot is really good because VW drop rates are disgustingly low and the rare/ex items keep going to the same people / mules, that one thing thats essentially capped thieves from becoming stronger is annulled.

Wow i thought i was logging into ffxi for all those years of "hit it once for th and turn" and the cors constantly being used for buffs since 75 was my imagination. Must have missed the section where it was a blink tank for endgame content as welll. Missed TH being premier for ksnm, limbus, einherjar, abyssea over having (blm/brd/war/whm/nin/mnk).

TH is this job, and making it not even an OPTION at voidwatch. Hey it might not change anything like it not helping pup and bst but it would be an option. Cor might not have been bard, but it could buff. Thing is thf isnt dancer(which isnt exactly swimming in voidwatch invites).

Also lol at thf is relevant because of kings, they get to hit it twice a minute and make no see able difference on 3 quest items for monk hooray! Not like we are ever going to get an update like bully again anyway, we are a farm or have a mule tag it job- nothing more a "job trait".