Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

You want a comparison? Your Odin is like our MV. Ha!

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Beat me to it lol, I was honestly unaware anyone considered SCH a loljob until this merton video was released. I've always thought SCH was great, one of the last things I did was with a SCH, we trio'ed Mictlantehcuhtli with a MNK, and they were giving us the emnity-/+ spells, nuking and keeping the MNK regained was a easy fight.

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Mictdkajdhwodjasdfwjl is a ridiculously easy solo on DNC and probably NIN as well. Hardly a mob to show off the finer points of SCH.

Edit: I also think OP is funny for complaining about SCH getting a powerful AoE spell/JA when BLU/WAR/BLMs have had that capability for a while now, some without the use of 2hrs as well.

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

Mictdkajdhwodjasdfwjl is a ridiculously easy solo on DNC and probably NIN as well. Hardly a mob to show off the finer points of SCH.

Edit: I also think OP is funny for complaining about SCH getting a powerful AoE spell/JA when BLU/WAR/BLMs have had that capability for a while now, some without the use of 2hrs as well.

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Well Alkaline, I know your SCH is only 51 but can you cite a better example?

And true blu/war/blm can mass damage AoE like all get out. But none of them were quiet like a cast one spell instant KO quite like this and it smacks in the face by adding yet another job to that list. But like I said, I play SCH also I'm pretty happy about getting Merton... but I play SMN too and it's just a bit off. Too close to the avatar's 2hr for my tastes.

I've seen War cleave down tons of mobs in one cleave.. with mighty strikes. I have no problem with this, it is their 2 hour after all. My LS's Bravura geared warrior does that all the time. It's fun to watch.

Blu AoE: this has always annoyed me just a bit, but it's kinda cool and not easy to set up. Takes work to get the gear, spells, and atma to get to the point where you can do this solidly (and have competent back up). I don't really mind this either.

Technically, on the blm side... and blm should be complaining too I might add... because strange that one spell did all that. When a blm's AoE magic damage is dispersed with more targets being hit by said AoE spell. However, Merton seemed unaffected though it did get a resist/miss possibly. (not sure if this effects blue magic.. I'm admittedly a total noob when it comes to blu). Edit: You have 90 blu, maybe you can clarify this for me?


But to all my fellow summoners I will say this: we have two avatars coming and one of them is a 2hr. I would laugh if Atomos cast Merton himself on mobs, AoEd no less! No telling what we'll get with them still. So chipper up, I'll be betting Merton won't be as effective on NM/HNM as Odin is.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

Well Alkaline, I know your SCH is only 51 but can you cite a better example?

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I dunno, mobs that are actually relevant?

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And true blu/war/blm can mass damage AoE like all get out. But none of them were quiet like a cast one spell instant KO quite like this

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If you have a puller you can just BA + CW and insta kill. Maybe WoR to take off the stragglers. I honestly don't see the point here. BLUs can pull/kill all on their own. SMNs need a puller to use Odin (when trying to mass kill), and like you said, acc worsens on more than 5 mobs.

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Blu AoE: this has always annoyed me just a bit, but it's kinda cool and not easy to set up. Takes work to get the gear, spells, and atma to get to the point where you can do this solidly (and have competent back up). I don't really mind this either.

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Like I said previously, BLU's can pull/kill by themselves. It does take quite a bit of gear to get it working and some out of the way atmas. Adding a healer can certainly be beneficial and let you pull more mobs/give you an easier time pulling.

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Technically, on the blm side... and blm should be complaining too I might add... because strange that one spell did all that. When a blm's AoE magic damage is dispersed with more targets being hit by said AoE spell. However, Merton seemed unaffected though it did get a resist/miss possibly. (not sure if this effects blue magic.. I'm admittedly a total noob when it comes to blu). Edit: You have 90 blu, maybe you can clarify this for me?

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Magical Blue Magic can be resisted. It's pretty obvious when you see 15 5k damages in the log and one 2.5k. I have yet to see a full resist on CW, and even half resists are pretty rare.

Take solace in the fact that Alexander is F***ING AMAZING.

But yeah, BLU can one hit dozens, maybe hundreds of mobs in theory, but magic accuracy plays a big role in that. WAR can one hit 95% of infinity in theory, as long as they are close enough, the last 5% is the loss you would get from Accuracy capping at 95%. BLM too, can one hit massive amounts of mobs with the right atma and the right targets. SCH being able to do so with ES+Dark Arts+Tabula Rasa is nothing "over powered." On the contrary, it's quite underwhelming. Hopefully the DoT makes it usable on NMs and not only for AoE farming.

I'm much more interested in the potency of "Bravery."

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I've seen War cleave down tons of mobs in one cleave.. with mighty strikes. I have no problem with this, it is their 2 hour after all. My LS's Bravura geared warrior does that all the time. It's fun to watch.

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Can't really say 2 hour is any limitation anymore, ISL boxes are really common.

I think one thing about about this outshining SMN is possibly that with Odin 2 hour you get a hate free AOE KO attempt, with SCH they will have hate on the ones that they don't kill. Once odin dies the hate dies with it, the sch will still have to deal with the ones left over.

ITT odin is the only dmg BP a smn can use under AF.
ITT SMN wont get atomos when under AF (and cait sith full time)

This entire thread pretty much just feels like a bunch of people talking about jobs they know nothing about. A lot of misconceptions flying around.

To clear it up, both SCH and SMN are extremely limited jobs with very limited uses, and most of their uses can be done better by other jobs and job combos.

Both require attention, Merton seems nice. Stop fritzing.

its seems almost the case for sch "anything you can do i can do better" towards smn, earthern ward anyone?

Anyways aside from that SE still hasn't released any information on new job abilities to us yet, for all we know Odin will become a summonable avatar with his 2hr ability becoming a high cost blood pact, seems unlikely but you never know. Also with the next level cap Summoning Magic cap will raise which means Odin and Alexander will become more potent and powerful.

And Karbuncle if you think Sch or Smn is limited maybe you should take your tag down.

Me personally I would like to see unique stuff for both smn and sch. Both need some type of ability/whatever that are unique and useful. Sch to step on smn toes wow I hope is is a misconception. I watch other characters cleave and say wow I'd like to take out 12 mobs.

Edit: I know we are getting two new avatars but only one that we can really use, enjoy (hopefully), and play with on a regular basis. I tend to think of the two hour avatars as just that a two hour ability. I like avatars I can play with all the time. The two hour ones are so limited. Outside of special areas I would have to wait up to six hours to use them in a row. I realize it would not be practical but it would have been kinda cool visually to walk around with a maw floating behind me. I think Odin has awesome graphics but when I use him he is gone to fast to really enjoy them.