New SMN JA "Possession" Empowering the "Melee SMN"

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Why? BECAUSE I CAN D:

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Epicness! I saw similar stuff in my head when I thought of the possibilities of what the "Joint Weaponskills" would technically be, and was planning on adding images based on a few of the Avatars but you've again beat me to the punch lol! I'll add these into the OP as I flesh them out :) Thanks again Karb! /

Do you mind if I add the stats and abilities from your post (#4) to the OP directly? Right now I just have a link to your post. These WS's would also be there since the illustrations will be popped in there.

I'm just doing this for the fun now, I doubt SE would even considering the time required to likely program something like this.

But again, I'm a big sucker for making sh*t up and these things are right up my alley :X I do so love this type of idea.

In fact, a while back I was, like most gamers, Imagining a game with a friend, Our idea of "evokers" would actually summon/become the Summon. They would be Fighters in the front lines that draw strength from Avatars/Pets and become them. So......... I love this type of idea LoL.

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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Epicness! I saw similar stuff in my head when I thought of the possibilities of what the "Joint Weaponskills" would technically be, and was planning on adding images based on a few of the Avatars but you've again beat me to the punch lol! I'll add these into the OP as I flesh them out :) Thanks again Karb! /

Do you mind if I add the stats and abilities from your post (#4) to the OP directly? Right now I just have a link to your post. These WS's would also be there since the illustrations will be popped in there.

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By all means ^^. Deep down part of me enjoys this kind of creating

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

I've never been a fan of the opinion to merge avatars with yourself. I simply want to control them. Tell them "stun now!", though they are so brain dead they go all "Oh, stun? Now you say? Let me try and remember how to" and then they do the stunning seconds later.

Why does it take so long to ready a BP? Well, it takes that long for monster avatars, so it has to play the same for players.

So avatars absorb their own element? Nah, that is only for monster avatars. Can't give positive traits to players.

I.e. everything bad avatars have, we inherited. Everything good (absorb, en-spell, pact potency) we didn't get.

I can kind of see SE reading this thread and go. Good idea. We give SMNs all the useless avatar bonuses. Like BLM stats, but we give them nothing like 50% physical resist. Awesome idea! That way we'll have extra crippled SMNs meleeing our NMs.

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Well, technically speaking, you would be "controlling them" under the effect of this JA. You would visibly see a transparent outline of the Avatar on top of your character while running around, and see them attack as you do. When you WS, you would see the Avatar WS along with yours. The same with casting spells. Hence the term "Joint WS" & "Joint Spells". So long as you have MP, it would feel/look/appear as if the SMN has become the Avatar.

In theory, You could allow the SMN to access the Avatars BP:wards during that time too, Since its a big part of the job as well. However, It could be a static 1min Ability (not effect by BP:Delay)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I'm just doing this for the fun now, I doubt SE would even considering the time required to likely program something like this.

But again, I'm a big sucker for making sh*t up and these things are right up my alley :X I do so love this type of idea.

In fact, a while back I was, like most gamers, Imagining a game with a friend, Our idea of "evokers" would actually summon/become the Summon. They would be Fighters in the front lines that draw strength from Avatars/Pets and become them. So......... I love this type of idea LoL.

By all means ^^. Deep down part of me enjoys this kind of creating

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Awesome, Thanks! :) Plugging it in to the OP now.

It really makes perfect sense in my opinion. Who says that an Experienced Summoner after years of training couldn't direct their powerful Avatars to such a suitable location as that of the SMNs own body? Just because it's never been done before, doesn't mean it can't be achieved for super high level SMNs that are Masters of their craft.

After all, we've seen that Demons in FFXI can wield this very technique in the WotG missions(Bastok Path).

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Originally Posted by Korpg

A) Avatars are all BLMs. Anything "inherited" would be BLM traits, so it wouldn't help with the "melee" SMN at all.

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I thought that Fenrir was an exception?

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Originally Posted by kingfury

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Awesome, Thanks! :) Plugging it in to the OP now.

It really makes perfect sense in my opinion. Who says that an Experienced Summoner after years of training couldn't direct their powerful Avatars to such a suitable location as that of the SMNs own body? Just because it's never been done before, doesn't mean it can't be achieved for super high level SMNs that are Masters of their craft.

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Also, When you said that the Avatar outline would be around the SMN, I thought to add some animations to each WS for the Avatars animation.

Ifrit - Same as Meteor Strike (When SMN raises Staff, Ifrit raises hand, when SMN hits mob, He does the "Throw" animation)

Shiva - Double Slap to Ice Kick animation

Leviathan - his "2hour" animation. Twirls in a circle/roar thing.

Ramuh - "Chaotic Strike" should line up with the Impulse-drive like animation

Titan - "megalith Throw" animation

Garuda - Wind blade animation

Carbuncle - his "floating" animatoin (when he uses basically any BP, Twirl/hover

Fenrir - Roar > bite. "Bites" the moon same time as Swing hit its

Diabolos - Ruinous Omen "animation". I.E the "curle up > release" movement.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Also, When you said that the Avatar outline would be around the SMN, I thought to add some animations to each WS for the Avatars animation.

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Yep, you're in my head now ^^

Visibly, the "Joint" part of the WSs and Spells would show the Avatar's special moves and casting animations paired along with the new WSs and spells of the SMN's.

Didn't Karaha-baraha die when he tried to do this sort of thing, while basically screwing up Fenrir for 20 years?

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Originally Posted by Khiinroye

Didn't Karaha-baraha die when he tried to do this sort of thing, while basically screwing up Fenrir for 20 years?

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I'm pretty sure he tried to summon the Actual Fenrir, I.E the real avatar. Not infuse himself with its power. He tried to call forth the full power. We Summoners are literally only granted a tiny fraction of the avatars power. For instance, If i recall right, Shiva/ifrit/etc all have the power to level Vana'diel to dust, which is why Carbuncle(?) tries to keep them in Slumber, If they awaken they will return Vana'diel to "paradise"? or something, basically kill everyone and revert it back to the normal state.

I think when that happens Carbuncle Fenrir and the other Terrestrials will basically become Animals again I.E no powers anymore. At this point i might be mixing up Final Fantasies, but im sure the first paragraph is correct