reopened "Change the Atma "Atma of the Razed Ruins" to better aid all jobs!."

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

What.

Maybe for DRK, but LOL not even close for WAR.

1. VV doesn't close the gap between common 6hit builds to a 5hit build without rose+tactical+hoard(huge loss in attack and stuff)
2. fSTR is easily capped in Abyssea through gear and furtherance abyssite
3. Whether you use Raging Rush or Ukko's Fury, SS is better than VV.
4. 5% DA when you already have (assumed) 32% is not a very big upgrade.

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its alot closer than you think for ukko's man learn what WSC is and the 5 hit with VV will beat a 6hit with SS because like fstr attack is not that hard to cap on most things exp. with drinks and stuff


and i just replied to an Asura lmao trolltastic

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Originally Posted by Jar

its alot closer than you think for ukko's man learn what WSC is and the 5 hit with VV will beat a 6hit with SS because like fstr attack is not that hard to cap on most things exp. with drinks and stuff


and i just replied to an Asura lmao trolltastic

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I'm serious. VV is pretty crap, I already explained why. WSC is for WS only, and even then 50 STR, when fSTR is already capped, DOESNT beat 20% Critical Damage Bonus. I've tested it all myself, and the builds are not even close. Not to mention the huge damage bonus you get from SS to white damage- that's what makes the 5hit lose so much, since you sacrifice something around 85 attack to do it. It's not worth it, ever.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

I'm serious. VV is pretty crap, I already explained why. WSC is for WS only, and even then 50 STR, when fSTR is already capped, DOESNT beat 20% Critical Damage Bonus. I've tested it all myself, and the builds are not even close. Not to mention the huge damage bonus you get from SS to white damage- that's what makes the 5hit lose so much, since you sacrifice something around 85 attack to do it. It's not worth it, ever.

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going from a 6 hit to a 5 hit is about a 20% boost to WS damage itself than 50 STR for WSC should make up for the melee loss because in all honesty your only at about 50% crit rate w/o blood rage up and that makes the melee boost a little smaller than you think. also try and read before you reply most of what you said i answered in the post you replied too.

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Originally Posted by Jar

going from a 6 hit to a 5 hit is about a 20% boost to WS damage itself than 50 STR for WSC should make up for the melee loss because in all honesty your only at about 50% crit rate w/o blood rage up and that makes the melee boost a little smaller than you think. also try and read before you reply most of what you said i answered in the post you replied too.

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The math has been done, 5hit loses to 6hit.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A...t&num=50&pli=1, thanks to Nightfyre from ffxiah.com I believe.

As for "20% boost to WS damage"... You actually LOSE out on white damage, since every WS is 2 seconds of delay, and your normal delay should be less than that at capped haste.

You can argue against it, but you're wrong. Completely. Like I said, I've played with both setups- RR/SS/Apoc is pretty much a clear winner, considering with apoc you go over 100% TP even with a 6hit.

Also, unless you reply with more substantial proof than personal tests and or math disproving the sample used above, I'm going to ignore you completely and let the thread die.

Edit: This is however about WAR only; Scythe DRK should still try to aim for 5 hit I believe (although you should probably be using /war in abyssea for red procs, or changing jobs.)

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

The math has been done, 5hit loses to 6hit.

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0A...t&num=50&pli=1, thanks to Nightfyre from ffxiah.com I believe.

As for "20% boost to WS damage"... You actually LOSE out on white damage, since every WS is 2 seconds of delay, and your normal delay should be less than that at capped haste.

You can argue against it, but you're wrong. Completely. Like I said, I've played with both setups- RR/SS/Apoc is pretty much a clear winner, considering with apoc you go over 100% TP even with a 6hit.

Also, unless you reply with more substantial proof than personal tests and or math disproving the sample used above, I'm going to ignore you completely and let the thread die.

Edit: This is however about WAR only; Scythe DRK should still try to aim for 5 hit I believe (although you should probably be using /war in abyssea for red procs, or changing jobs.)

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that doc goes to nothing <_<


and you need 2 houred brd songs or a dancer main to get below 2 sec of delay on ukon war

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Originally Posted by Jar

that doc goes to nothing <_<


and you need 2 houred brd songs or a dancer main to get below 2 sec of delay on ukon war

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March+4 = capped
March+5 is possible

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Originally Posted by Catsby

Better suggestion; make other atmas worth using so we don't have every job converging onto 1 atma.

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Wouldn't matter, people would converge on whatever atma was the best. There will always be an "ideal" build because perfect balance is impossible.