The importance of job points

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Originally Posted by Protey

Yea pretty much. On multiple occasions he has told blatant falsehoods, attacked a person rather than what they say, flaws in his logic, and spouted irrelevant nonsense. I'm pretty sure he is just trolling. How do you stop a troll? you ignore him. So I call on the other people here to do the same.

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It's pretty amusing that you have "attacked a person rather than what they say' by telling a person who just admitted to "flat out lying" in their last post not to listen to me because of my "Blatant falsehoods".

I would love for you to ignore me. Nothing could better validate my point of view than having no one to refute it.

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Originally Posted by Protey

do you have some kind of legitimate argument or just your opinion?

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I dunno. I called something stupid. Of course it's an opinion, and it's just as legitimate as yours.

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well the biggest jump in the history of the game was when SoA came out. Even if they did that same kind of jump again, it would still be less than what has been beaten, and we would have Gifts this time, more JPs, and whatever additions they may come up with.

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So even if it's exactly the same it's completely different? What?

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It is an either/or scenario. Do the gate, or don't do the content. Same as with being able to wear gear... do the gate (level up) or don't be able to wear the gear.

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It can't be either/or because no one has proposed removing the gate. I've only proposed making it more realistic to scale for the casual player.

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Why should anyone's progression be so easy? We are at extremely high level and it should be extremely time consuming to go up even a little bit. It shouldn't be getting CP easier, it should be getting CP harder. I've spent a total of about 6 hours intentionally farming CP. All the rest I got from doing day-to-day activities. I have 183 JP. They are too easy to get.

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Your numbers sound utterly impossible, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I'm way too nice. Ok so, CP is too easy to get. Fine. Let's set an absolute limit of 1 CP per mob and make each JP worth 60,000. All rings, capes, campaigns, and COR roll bonuses are no more. ROE no longer gives CP. New content that can only realistically be defeated by 18 players with capped JPs and gifts will be released next month. Enjoy.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I dunno. I called something stupid. Of course it's an opinion, and it's just as legitimate as yours.

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alright, then i'll ignore it as you aren't going to try and justify it.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

So even if it's exactly the same it's completely different? What?

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i'll explain further: before SoA monsters were what, level 105 at most? Then we get to SoA where delve is at 119 (initially anyway). So about a 14 level jump. Delve is now what, level 122? I forget, but somewhere around there. So let's say we jump another 14 levels, that's 136. People beat level 136 incursion without much trouble and without the need for JPs and Gifts. But even if they were to realease content like that, we will have JPs, Gifts, and w/e extra improved gear that they release.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

It can't be either/or because no one has proposed removing the gate. I've only proposed making it more realistic to scale for the casual player.

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why does anyone have to propose removing the gate? why should it be more realistic for the casual player but remove something from the not casual players?

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Your numbers sound utterly impossible, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I'm way too nice. Ok so, CP is too easy to get. Fine. Let's set an absolute limit of 1 CP per mob and make each JP worth 60,000. All rings, capes, campaigns, and COR roll bonuses are no more. ROE no longer gives CP. New content that can only realistically be defeated by 18 players with capped JPs and gifts will be released next month. Enjoy.

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wow, exaggerate much? but if that were to happen would be one hell of a goal. though i don't know how any such content could possibly exist since some JPs and Gifts have no bearing whatsoever on defeating things.

Hate to be the ring leader that gets the thread going in the right direction again but I've been watching this thread arguing and discussing about the arguments more and more or even more then really discussing what this thread is really about in helping job points thread adding ideas that further benefit new ideas to job point categories in which aren't included in the game for the creators to implement into the game for the batter even if they don't hit the nail right on the head in trying to do so from our suggestions. It's just one of the directions the thread should be doing more instead of arguing at one another which doesn't help job points in the end of real life reality, thanks! ;)

Honestly, the way I've typed this out has begun to sound a lot alike of arguing folks here to my demise.....:cool:

Facts on this topic right now.

JPs are easy to obtain.
Some players want to be able to AFK in town and get them.
Some players not playing the game currently are hoping for change in their endeavors of still not playing the game.
You guys complained to much when you should of been watching Superbowl.

FrankReynolds still trying to validate his stance by telling everyone else they are liars or saying he/she said this and blah blah blah. Needs less straw manning and personal attacks and more valid reasons to bring about change to JPs except being lazy.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

Facts Opinions on this topic right now

JPs are easy to obtain.

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Obviously they aren't or this discussion wouldn't be here.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

Some players want to be able to AFK in town and get them.

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No one asked for anything even remotely near that, but by all means keep pretending that they did if it makes you feel better. I'll gladly keep pointing out that it's a lie every time you say it.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

Some players not playing the game currently are hoping for change in their endeavors of still not playing the game.

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I am playing the game. You just aren't as good at cyber stalking as you think you are. While you're stalking people on the webz though, you should take a look at the person who started this thread before posting any further nonsense about lazy people who don't play the game wanting free easy mode character upgrades.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

You guys complained to too much when you should of been watching Superbowl.

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Laptops, cell phones, tablets etc. FTW.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

FrankReynolds still trying to validate his stance by telling everyone else they are liars or saying he/she said this and blah blah blah. Needs less straw manning and personal attacks and more valid reasons to bring about change to JPs except being lazy.

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Says they guy (you) making personal attacks against me, straw man arguments (Implying that anyone who doesn't like the current system is lazy) lying and admitting to it...

I don't really think there is any harm in making CP easier. I've put in a lot of work capping JP on two of my jobs but it doesn't mean I'm done. They're going to add more JP categories and they have said that the eventual cap will be 30 upgrades per category. I don't particularly want to keep accruing CP at the existing rate when the caps are raised.

If/when they decide to raise the JP caps higher than 10, I would hope that CP rates are increased somehow. Either new camps with higher level enemies or simply more CP/kill. I don't want to be stuck earning JP for only a handful of jobs because that's all I have time for.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Obviously they aren't or this discussion wouldn't be here.



No one asked for anything even remotely near that, but by all means keep pretending that they did if it makes you feel better. I'll gladly keep pointing out that it's a lie every time you say it.



I am playing the game. You just aren't as good at cyber stalking as you think you are. While you're stalking people on the webz though, you should take a look at the person who started this thread before posting any further nonsense about lazy people who don't play the game wanting free easy mode character upgrades.



Laptops, cell phones, tablets etc. FTW.



Says they guy (you) making personal attacks against me, straw man arguments (Implying that anyone who doesn't like the current system is lazy) lying and admitting to it...

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Can't argue with the facts, don't even understand the point of your post.

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Originally Posted by PlumbGame

I'm confused. Everyone that puts the time into gaining JPs do obtain them at a reasonable pace. I think this topic needs to be clarified more, because people are acting as if JPs are hard to obtain or really time consuming.

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No, sorry, I don't think spending my whole evening's gaming time to gain one or two points solo is "a reasonable pace." I recall someone doing the math awhile ago and it worked out to OUTRAGEOUS amounts of time to cap CPs, especially if a person likes to play more than one job or is on a job that doesn't get invited to CP parties/other content that drops them.

I think that this is the crux of the argument. Some folks think that the amount of time is reasonable. Other folks don't. This is a valid thing to disagree about, especially given the fact that people have different amounts of playtime, and given how the developers have gone from saying "oh no these are no biggie, don't grind for them" to "you'll need these to equip gear and get spells for your job!"

It's too bad that we can't just have a rational discussion about content like this without folks suggesting that those of us who would like to spend more time having fun and less time mindlessly grinding are asking for hand-outs.

Disregarding all the bs from past pages, could we get Camate or Grek to talk about specifics of how progression will be handled in the future with Job Points?

Because while I have little interest in grinding them and just acquire them at my own pace (I don't think I've got more than 20 across the jobs I play) if the devs add spells and abilities to them and I suddenly find myself forced to do the job point grind to do content then I'm just not going to do it. It's simply too boring and unrewarding in today's XI for me to bother grinding points, and the ilvl XIV-nonsense is more than enough barely rewarding grind for me thank you very much.