Ok...let me level with you here SE...

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

You're gonna get hundreds doing an ADL run? Unlikely, especially with the DL rate nerf.

The fact is the trials are pretty fucking stupid and offers very little for non-relics at the cost of requiring an alliance to win. If I shout ADL, I can offer w/e shit currency falls from killing trash mobs, the drops from the popped NMs (which arent 100% drops), DL drops (largely shit) and ADL drops (not in high demand).

No one is going to waste their time helping people unless it's just for fun. The trial is designed poorly through and through. You having to bring up mules shows just how low demand would be to assist relic holders up to 99.

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Way to not read the thread and think I like the trial or am supporting it somehow.

Also: Who doesn't try to always bring their mules with them everywhere? I triple box better then most can play one, so I'd prefer to bring mules most of the time. This will especially be true after I finish G horn for my BRD mule.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Also: Who doesn't try to always bring their mules with them everywhere? I triple box better then most can play one, so I'd prefer to bring mules most of the time. This will especially be true after I finish G horn for my BRD mule.

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The people who, either by choice or financial circumstance, don't dual-box.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

When the trial first came out for HMPs to upgrade everyone Q.Qd and said there was no way anyone will get 1500 of them.

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There is a distinct difference between saying "it's going to take years to do this if you don't have hundreds of millions of gil" and "no one is ever going to complete this" Anyone without money certainly will not ever finish it anytime remotely soon. Their proclaimed casual empyreans will stay lv90 max.

How many people do you honestly think will help a single soul get their lv99 weapon by killing ADL? How do you even go about convincing them? I'm not sure a pickup group could put a dent in the thing. Even a dedicated LS is going to have a hard time with this. What are they going to do? Flip a coin? Set up some playoff tree contest and the winner gets first dibs? Are they going to be content with sharing drops, one drop at a time goes to a different person until everyone is done? Goodluck to the leader if they try to play Mr. Dictator and take first dibs. But hey, you know, like I've said in the past one of the great things about a hardcore LS is that you rely on each other to push forward. As long as the next person is right there by you, BSing, not necessarily having fun but to endure bullshit together, it counts for something. And that's why such LSs have survived the Abyssea/level cap era while everyone outside of them keeps preaching, "linkshells/groups are dead!"

Maybe it is SE's way of saying look, we want people to play together. And that's fine. We'd play together on a mass scale... if content wasn't stupid on rewarding players. Like 20 ADL drops for stage 1 and 1000 for stage 2. It invites drama, nothing more. Just to be fair, for all we know SE is planning to have ADL drop more than just one item when these trials go live. But would I be in the wrong to say that SE has not earned the benefit of the doubt? I don't think so. I think their idea is to truly have 1x drop per kill, requires 20, and for 17 other people to help you do it. ADL is one of the more recently implemented NMs in the game. It has no business whatsoever having something to do with lv75 content. It may be for lv99 weapons but it's still lv75 content. The 550ish Mythic holders must be thanking God right about now. If things had been different on timing they'd be fighting a frickin Arch PW or some shit.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Way to not read the thread and think I like the trial or am supporting it somehow.

Also: Who doesn't try to always bring their mules with them everywhere? I triple box better then most can play one, so I'd prefer to bring mules most of the time. This will especially be true after I finish G horn for my BRD mule.

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You're assuming dualboxing is the rule and not the exception.

It's a good perk to have but it doesn't excuse the lack of demand for ADL because SE can't be arsed to create some incentive for non-relics.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

The people who, either by choice or financial circumstance, don't dual-box.

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If an extra 15 bucks is that much of a hindrance to your budget, perhaps you shouldnt be playing ffxi to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

If an extra 15 bucks is that much of a hindrance to your budget, perhaps you shouldnt be playing ffxi to begin with.

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Nonsensical argument.

If you don't want to pay for a second account (for whatever reason) you should still be able to do the most recent events released by SE due to sheer demand. Dead on arrival events like this ADL setup just show how little thought SE puts into some things they release (like WoE).

Having to play 3 characters because there is a lack of interest in content is a sure sign of a problem. If people feel like they need 2-3 characters to get anywhere in the game now, that is a very bad sign, not to mention a retarded amount of money to charge customers.

I'm not too poor to pay for them, but common... that makes FFXI probably the most expensive video game ever. Does the quality really match the price tag?

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Originally Posted by Nynja

If an extra 15 bucks is that much of a hindrance to your budget, perhaps you shouldnt be playing ffxi to begin with.

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Holy generalizations, Batman!

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

lol wat. Wings was always a social shell that I took over after a friend quit. Or does ElectricMayhem not count now? Probably not, considering it did, you know, everything that you mentioned.

I don't need to front. The endgame scene on my server knows me. They've known me for a long time. You're just some piss-poor leader who feels the need to shove her self-pity on everyone else and demand priority on crap because "leading's hard work, guys".

Yeah, right. The FFXI population figured that scheme out years ago. Leaders in a competent shell don't innately deserve jack shit. Praise? Sure. Props? Sure. Respect? Sure. Higher pay? Naw, son.

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I'm not even a leader an endgame LS. Lol, my whole point was and still is, leader tend to work hard in thos bigger endgame shells, especially back at 75. And yes I agree they deserved priority on sponsorship and the rarer drops, not because they are the leaders by name, but because they are the leaders by action and example. I know you don't like me, I don't like you, but you need to realize what you're saying. You're essentially saying no leader deserve priority over other member because they are the leader. But who has more dedication and time spent helping the ls than a leader? Heres a question, why WOULDN'T a leader be more deserving a member?

You're missing the whole point in that leaders tend to be more dedicated than members, and yes they do tend to work harder. You're delusional if you think otherwise. Now, maybe in your nonexistant endgame LS,m you and the other leaders don't really need to do much of anything or work hard, but there were plenty of HNM and endgame LS leaders that proudly and honestly did a lot to keep the shells runnin on top.

Your basically saying that's not true and if it is, they didn't deserve priority on relic sponsorship or things like DEFENDING RING, in which case, you're wrong, BUT I can understand why someone so LOL back at 75 would think that.

The simple fact is, you had and still don't have much of any idea of what it takes to run or have ran a biggger endgame LS. I may not have had a good reputation for being a nice little flower, but I know running an endgame LS took dedication and persistence, and who are you to say what a LS leader doesn't deserve? You could argue I have no right to say what they do deserve, but who was the person sponsoring relic and getting those super rare drops: the leaders. Theres a reason for that and it's not necessarily because they were all greedy, self righteous gil hoarders.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

You're assuming dualboxing is the rule and not the exception.

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It's always been the rule, not the exception, for the better players to have mules.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Wanting to play 3 characters

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Fixed that for you.

But you're right about the rest, the reason I WANT to play more then one, is because other people are so bad, and it really shouldn't be like that. Also, I'm not going to ask friends to help me with bad, not fun content, unless I HAVE to. That's last resort for me, because I like my friends and don't want to burden then with helping me do obnoxious stuff. It's to bad a lot of stuff in this game is not fun.