Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

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so why don't you make us a nice guide right here on the smn forum where folks who feel they can play smn well share with the rest of us? I see statements saying folks can't play smn a lot on these forums a lot. However, I would like to see you guys share the wealth. Let the rest of us know "how to play smn" from your point of view.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

How come you won't answer my question? Is it because you really don't have SMN leveled, and by extension, that staff you swear by?

Besides, to get to that 1/4th of a WAR type numbers, you need the same 4 man team as a WAR would. Oh snap!

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he doesn't answer any question he can't answer, pretty much.
which is why most of anything i ever say in retort to his points don't ever see any following up by him, instead sidestepping into some good ol fashion ad hominem and red herrings about how I don't have something that you do - none of which actually changes the point of the arguments.

I'd advise for you to stop feeding the troll, or at least, serve it something it doesn't like. Everyone can see who is right and wrong.

I only respond to Dallas just so he can say something that contradicts himself, which he does quite often.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

It would honestly be far away, if Dallas, Korpg and Raz weren't discussing melee SMN.

But I'd recommend you to look into the job, since you sound like a person who'd get very far in vanadiel as a naked SMN.

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I remember going to Ifrit's Cauldron @ level 50 or so. You'd send carby after a Volcanic Gas mob in an attempt to get it to self-destruct. Wasn't easy but SMN was at the time the only job that could do this.

Here's a video of me in early '07 helping some Japanese players with the Ouryu fight. Long time ago. A lot has changed. A lot hasn't.

Any videos of you showing your stuff? Hmm?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Dallas contrary to your belief a WAR doesn't need 4 man support to be a DD. Those numbers were with BOTH SMN and WAR recieving the same buffs, which is something you keep trying to ignore. If a SMN can solo something melee, I'm pretty sure a WAR could do it too.

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WAR/DNC might be able to, but the GG-fail-math saying WAR are "super pimp gods" depends on /SAM. WAR/SAM isn't soloing anything. Go beg GG to adjust his solo numbers, because you aren't going to manage it.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

WAR/DNC might be able to, but the GG-fail-math saying WAR are "super pimp gods" depends on /SAM. WAR/SAM isn't soloing anything. Go beg GG to adjust his solo numbers, because you aren't going to manage it.

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You aren't soloing anything either. Go back to playing with your blocks like a good kid.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

I remember going to Ifrit's Cauldron @ level 50 or so. You'd send carby after a Volcanic Gas mob in an attempt to get it to self-destruct. Wasn't easy but SMN was at the time the only job that could do this.

Here's a video of me in early '07 helping some Japanese players with the Ouryu fight. Long time ago. A lot has changed. A lot hasn't.

Any videos of you showing your stuff? Hmm?

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No I don't make videos. I hardly even take screenshots.

Watching the replay though, I'm unimpressed at you using Ice on a Earth elemental dragon. By using Garuda you would have taken less damage from his attacks and had your avatar tank longer, possibly also dealt more damage.

When I did that battle, I had people on jobs they had only leveled, never played, as tank and healer, so they went down so fast that I pretty much did this fight with 4 people. My Garuda tanked most of it. Not a "SMN is best" moment though, since the BLMs there with me sure pulled their weight.