Suggestions: Quality of Life Stuff and other suggestions

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Originally Posted by Zenion

I am honestly genuinely curious about this. Logging out wipes all monster enmity, so quick logout could be used for that, but that's an easy enough problem to solve by retaining the 30 second timer if you have any enmity.

What else could players really do with instant logout that they can't with 30 second logout? I'm thinking maybe wiping bad rolls when Fold is down maybe, but I'm at a loss for anything else that goes away when you log out.

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With unlimited instant logout, you could get your trusts back that died, or get full trusts. Slap a dot on the boss, log out instantly on the periphery of the battlefield, wait a few seconds to let the boss go back to the middle, log back in, get trusts with full HP and MP. Repeat as needed.

Anyhow, as others have already pointed out, this is easily fixed. Allow instantaneous logout if there is no enmity. Or even just in "safe" zones like cities. This would be a nice little time saver.

Discourage RMT cp/exemplar leveling with auto-warp of characters that have 'wasted' enough apex/locus monsters.

For characters that have job master and not opened the mastery level system, or capped master level, there would be a counter of apex/locus monsters killed. Being in the same party or ally that killed counts. More than 10 killed -> autowarp, reset counter and 1 hour ban for re-entering the same zone.

Bot operators could try to evade this by regularly killing their chars many times, to reduce their M level, but I think this would be impractical.

I can't think of any scenario where legit players would be impacted by this, except the rare situation that someone with capped M level wants to help friends level. That would no longer be practical (without M deleveling..) but I think that would be a small price to pay for basically shutting down the bot / RMT leveling trade.

They don't want to hinder bad actors. Bad actors pay subs. More subs than rule followers.

You people need to come to terms with this. These/this problem is a very simple fix. The thing is, it's not a problem to them. And it never will be.

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Originally Posted by Uriah

They don't want to hinder bad actors. Bad actors pay subs. More subs than rule followers.

You people need to come to terms with this. These/this problem is a very simple fix. The thing is, it's not a problem to them. And it never will be.

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I envy your superior understanding of what is in SE's best business interest. To me, the question of whether RMT M level botting helps them is not nearly as clear-cut. M levels seem to be designed as long-term content, to keep subscribers busy for months or years, similar to how the classic game was mostly about the long grind to 75 on multiple jobs.

Buying gil and letting bots do the work creates a shortcut around this. The people who buy their M levels will get bored faster and quit again.

I think it's best if we let SE decide what is in SE's best business interest.

Step back and actually think for 5 whole seconds. Don't you think by now, if they wanted it resolved, it would be resolved. Do you honestly think you have some magical solution that they couldn't have done if they wanted to.

It seems rather obvious, if you actually consider it for a whole couple seconds.

Haven't seen any Job Point seller-Parties on Quetzalcoatl, have seen an automated shout, but that is it, blacklisted and haven't seen it again.

From Abyssea worm parties, to book parties, to bot levelers.

People want it, removing something people want is never a good idea because you will see people quit the game.

There are plenty of camps now if you don't want to use them.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

From Abyssea worm parties, to book parties, to bot levelers.

People want it, removing something people want is never a good idea because you will see people quit the game.

There are plenty of camps now if you don't want to use them.

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If people quit because no one bots them XP/CP/EP then good riddance. The customer isn't always right. In fact they are generally wrong and that's why you remove things. I wouldn't equate worm parties to the later though.

At the start worm parties was everyone killing and getting fast xp, everyone was happy and nobody really took advantage.

Then it moved into people making alliances and swapping to their level 1 char while anon to open chests while the party they made did the killing.

Then the people would make the alliance and go afk after an hour, the only time they would come back would be to invite more people every now and then. They would even get offers for people to join on low chars to open chests so the leader could afk even better.

Then others would start saying "brb" and being afk for hours, to the point half the alliance was afk, and cause the leader was afk nobody could kick them. Because nobody likes making groups on FFXI the rest of the alliance would just put up with it to get their xp.

Once people got used to this, it became a thing and once people get used to a thing being there you can't take it away.

After this they added book burns and again people duplicated the Aby thing all over again.

It's part of the game now, trying to stop it at this point is idiocy. It's too ingrained in the playerbase at this point.

If you got rid of the bots people would just go back to abusing each other for free xp as before.

Heck there were SMN burns before any of this too where people would pay to join a summon burn in koroloka.

As for good riddance, the game needs their money.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

If you got rid of the bots people would just go back to abusing each other for free xp as before.

As for good riddance, the game needs their money.

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Then let them "go back" to doing whatever. I'm so sure that abyssea worm parties or level sync korroloka tunnel are not coming back that I chuckled reading the assertion.

If the game can't survive without all the rampant bots paying a sub fee. Then it is time for the game to end.