Why is Summoner the most ignored, misunderstood and broken job?

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Originally Posted by Razushu

Abyssea is a playground pure and simple, it's kind of like Vegas. In the way that anything goes if all participants are ok with it and for the most part what happens in Abyssea stays in Abyssea i.e certain jobs meleeing.

I'd say they wanted it to be an option for whatever reason, we'll never know. As you say on most things it's trash, it'll always come back to the point if you're gonna have someone hitting the mob make it something thats specialized /good at hitting things.

For the record Moonlight is rubbish I died a little inside first time I used it.

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Yah, Moonlight was disgustingly terrible, but it was designed for an age of FFXI where it was probably almost useful..

To the bolded, Its funny to me because I use this argument all the time on THF forums :D!

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Yah, Moonlight was disgustingly terrible, but it was designed for an age of FFXI where it was probably almost useful..

To the bolded, Its funny to me because I use this argument all the time on THF forums :D!

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Those poor THFs. At least melee is something mages can do on the side and not part of their main focus. Although they get TH which is usually enough to get them invited if the party leader doesn't rate THF.

I almost called a GM because I was sure moonlight was bugged, until I checked the wiki.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

Competent melee only, thanks. That means knowing and acknowledging that the SMN gets access to gear where the pet does not. Of course a 2h weapon base speed is slower than a 1h avatar.

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So, basically anything in this game where having a WAR instead of a SMN would get the job done. Got it.

When forced to do math regarding SMN, you switch back to WAR. Bandwagoner all the way.

Talk to me when you solo something, ok?

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

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Dallas contrary to your belief a WAR doesn't need 4 man support to be a DD. Those numbers were with BOTH SMN and WAR recieving the same buffs, which is something you keep trying to ignore. If a SMN can solo something melee, I'm pretty sure a WAR could do it too.

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Malamasala, IMO you don't know how to play SMN. Just reading your original post makes this REALLY clear to me. Moon phase, day, these really don't matter.

What you can do with SMN, and do quite well I might add, is do the JOB with NO GEAR what so ever. It's an inexpensive job to play. Don't have to purchase any spells. Or avatars. You just level up. That's it.

Now make this thread GO AWAY.

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It would honestly be far away, if Dallas, Korpg and Raz weren't discussing melee SMN.

But I'd recommend you to look into the job, since you sound like a person who'd get very far in vanadiel as a naked SMN.

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Originally Posted by Dallas

What has that 4-man WAR team soloed? Oh snap! That's right, you need me to teach you more SMN.

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How come you won't answer my question? Is it because you really don't have SMN leveled, and by extension, that staff you swear by?

Besides, to get to that 1/4th of a WAR type numbers, you need the same 4 man team as a WAR would. Oh snap!