[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

It doesn't make sense to me..

everybody is saying the ??? are going to be overcrowded but at the same time complaining about how difficult it is to obtain kindred seals.

I'd imagine after a month nearly everybody that cares will have burnt off all their excess kindred seals.


Lets say you had 2K kindred seals... and it takes about 30 mins to get a 99 orb >> run to the zone >> and beat the ksnm

that would be about 10 hours... say maybe 10 days to do all your ksnm if you did it an hour a day

It would take considerable less time to actually kill w/e hnm you go to kill.. but lets say another 10 hours to kill the 20+ triggers you get

so all in all.. maybe 1 hour for 20 days...

Yah.. the zone won't remain crowded for long... if you hate camping a ??? just wait a month

The real problem will be after people blow all their KS and still didn't get the HQ pop item....

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Originally Posted by Twille

The real problem will be after people blow all their KS and still didn't get the HQ pop item....

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I agree lets complain about the right things...

We need alternate methods of acquiring these hnm triggers

Maybe the dev's could add a npc that gives you a free NQ trigger of your choosing once a week

I think the general idea is great! But the rewards in FFXI are always so...random.
Go to the work of gathering 99KS, get a group to kill it, get the pop item for NQ HNM, gather another group, kill it to MAYBE get a pop item for the HQ.
That's too much effort for a POSSIBLE HQ pop.

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Originally Posted by SNK

Honestly getting BB items just got much easier. You get 2 damn chances at your item instead of one. The Kings themselves arn't being adjusted in toughness either. If you can't kill Kings @ level 90 with a lowman group then you really need to wonder if you really will put that Black Belt to good use.

The amount of QQIng about this is seriously amazing. Some of the posts I've read are outright retarded and foolish. A Black Belt is still one of the best items in the game. I hate to come off sounding like an elitist but I'm happy that the method while easier isn't something everyone is going obtain.

A Black Belt is still considered by most a commitment of being a MNK. It shouldn't be handed out like cake like some of you people are asking for.

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No it is not.

Old way > new way for getting BB items chance.

you have one chance from KSNM, then you can go camp the NM witch is less time then getting the KS with a lot higher chance of getting BB items

I am going to try REALLY hard to get egg before this craptasic update takes place. ( may be hard camping it because others may do what i am doing now -.- so update notes makes it hard now)

The only thing i can see being happy about this update is higher chance in D ring, ok, but that does not change the fact it makes BB items harder.

Other then that I still do not understand that makes this update good, it is a step back, i hope they change the orginal notes.

The only benefit to me is that i might have a change at a Dring now....maybe. haha.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

No it is not.

Old way > new way for getting BB items chance.

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Wrong, On so many levels. Its not a massive improvement, but its much better.

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you have one chance from KSNM, then you can go camp the NM witch is less time then getting the KS with a lot higher chance of getting BB items

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Also Likely Wrong, The update notes specify you will always get at least 1 Pop for the NQ NM. Chances are we could get 2-3 Per KSNM. Only problem is the Unknown. Which is "How high is King-pop drop rate?" and 'How much did they nerf King BB item drop rate?", and "Will they be R? or EX? can i sell them? can i hold more than 1?"

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I am goign to try REALLY hard to get egg before this craptasic update takes place.

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Only had 8 years, You'll probably be able to get it now with all the other 80 people who are thinking the same thing you are :|

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The only thing i can see being happy about this update is higher chance in D ring, ok, but that does not change the fact it makes BB items harder.

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Yes it does, The BB Items will be easier to to Obtain in the long run. Theres probably going to be multiple KSNM99 shouts, and with the chance (according to update) to get more than 1 pop per KSNM, i think there will be a lot going around early on. just need to get in on some shouts, or get some friends and do your own runs.

I think this is a fine situation where having Friends is probably paramount.

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Other then that I still do not understand that makes this update good, it is a step back, i hope they change the orginal notes.

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its a step forward, a small step though, Admittedly not a large step. But it is a step. It would have been a large step if they didn't adjust BB Item Drop rate. But as it stands for most of the population (not talking about the 15 some odd people here whining) this will likely be a plus.

Really, my only gripe is them is removing the BB items from NQ, and decreasing it from HQ. seemed like they shot themselves in the foot doing that. Was totally uncalled for. They could have done 1 or the other, but doing both was backpedaling this entire update.

With the way SE operates, do you realistically expect more than one NQ drop per KSNM?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Wrong, On so many levels. Its not a massive improvement, but its much better.

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No it isn't people do not farm HNMs much, people do not have a reason to monopolize HNMs in the respect of buying a bot and paying for said bot from claiming HNMs. people have bigger interest for abyssea. Maybe if this was before abyssea yeah good chance I am wrong, but with times now? no i am not.

the amount people shout should not be an argument to support this change.

It seems a bit tough to get the BB items now which I think is a good thing. This game has lost alot of its luster just because its way to easy. IMO the reason this game was the best was because of its challenge, alot of that has been lost. I want the challenge back.