[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

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Originally Posted by Denabond

At least now people who have lives can slowly work on getting pops for a chance at the item rather then being unable to since they cant be on when they pop. Sure they can just reduce the pop time to 2.5 hours for each of them, but then really that's just handing out BB on a silver platter. Let it some rareity to it.

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I agree with you there I'm not advocating against opening the pops to the public. I just wish it was more like I guess Nyzul kings you could do them once per day they have a shitty drop rate for nq and or drops and then everyone could access them. I like the ENM suggestion even more all three once every 3 days and a little bit better of a drop rate. Not saying dont give us the ability to do them. Just give us the ability to do them reasonably.

Whipped up a quick app to simulate it to see results.

Set:
- 22% Drop rate from KSNM (from Clopedia)
- 50% Drop rate from HQHNM (Used to be 100%, but now decreased)
- 10% Drop rate of HQTrigger
(Remember this NM was like 3-7 days? so they dont want u popping like 2-3 HQ's a day, i wouldnt be surprised if this was going to be a lot less than 10%)

Results: after 100 BB Items
Average required seals 1200
Average Attempts 13
Average Fights = 50

i like this idea it gives u reason to get rid of bseals and all pl can get good items do 12 man aaliance thats 12 runs of KSNM99 everyone will get pop ittem and other items to sell or whatever thats great for a LS event

Honestly getting BB items just got much easier. You get 2 damn chances at your item instead of one. The Kings themselves arn't being adjusted in toughness either. If you can't kill Kings @ level 90 with a lowman group then you really need to wonder if you really will put that Black Belt to good use.

The amount of QQIng about this is seriously amazing. Some of the posts I've read are outright retarded and foolish. A Black Belt is still one of the best items in the game. I hate to come off sounding like an elitist but I'm happy that the method while easier isn't something everyone is going obtain.

A Black Belt is still considered by most a commitment of being a MNK. It shouldn't be handed out like cake like some of you people are asking for.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

i like this idea it gives u reason to get rid of bseals and all pl can get good items do 12 man aaliance thats 12 runs of KSNM99 everyone will get pop ittem and other items to sell or whatever thats great for a LS event

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Yah 12 peeps could on average get 1 BB item for 1 person, tbh not bad if you have ls/friends willing to do that and there aint like 10 people after BB lol

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Originally Posted by SNK

Honestly getting BB items just got much easier. You get 2 damn chances at your item instead of one. The Kings themselves arn't being adjusted in toughness either. If you can't kill Kings @ level 90 with a lowman group then you really need to wonder if you really will put that Black Belt to good use.

The amount of QQIng about this is seriously amazing. Some of the posts I've read are outright retarded and foolish. A Black Belt is still one of the best items in the game. I hate to come off sounding like an elitist but I'm happy that the method while easier isn't something everyone is going obtain.

A Black Belt is still considered by most a commitment of being a MNK. It shouldn't be handed out like cake like some of you people are asking for.

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A voice of reason has appeared, like a shining beacon of light piercing the cloud of stupidity.

If you don't want to commit to a BB, Brown/Twilight Belt MNKs can compete just fine. What is so hard for people to understand?

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Originally Posted by SNK

A Black Belt is still considered by most a commitment of being a MNK. It shouldn't be handed out like cake like some of you people are asking for.

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You forget that most people at that "elitism" equate commitment to the game to how much you're willing to pay for a good bot.

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Originally Posted by SNK

You act as if people don't like to help friends obtain gear.

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Depends on how those people define "friends".

I'd say your statement reflects this playerbase a lot more than you believe it to.

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Originally Posted by SNK

Honestly getting BB items just got much easier. You get 2 damn chances at your item instead of one

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Are you being serious? Or did you forget that before you had 3 chances before?

Random NQ King
Random KSNM
100% HQNM

now

Random KSNM
Random HQNM

Yet only one group could benefit from the HQ per week. The NQ droprate was a freakin joke and KS99 remains the same.

The new system allows MORE people to finish through increased opportunity.

You lose the negligible NQ rate, you get to pop this stuff on your own time and get a second chance on the KS99, arguably the most casual way to get a BB.

Also with people rushing popkings for other loot, the chances of getting a BB also increase with people spawning who have no interest in BB items. This previously would have been people who just sat on kindred seals as KS99 only benefits MNKs atm.

Many people will finish their BB now at the KS99 stage when groups pop for HQ king trigs and eventually cap out on BB items or simply don't care. This can translate to handing out BB items or charging for them, both superior to the previous once/day system.