Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

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Originally Posted by ericnuke

Love the in-depth telling of haste with the chart and all. Now, can you make one for all the SAMs that think they are awesome, but don't WS in same stp gear as they tp in?

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are saying sam should WS AND TP in the SAME amount of STP gear?

Cause you would be mistaken.

Good Info man

This is hella useful. Or rather, it will be, when I hit max level.

Is haste gear favorable for EXPing, as well as end-game content? I'm still mid 40s- early 50s on the jobs I want to level (THF and NIN, respectively), and I want to know what I should be looking for until I do finally get up there with the big kids.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

But then I will die because the mob is crit hitting me or using a TP move at the same time that I'm changing gear for a weapon skill, causing my mage to not be able to cure me. Then I die and lose all my tp anyway.

I still win.

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If you're not willing to die for your damage then go level fucking bard. ~Rykoshet

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Originally Posted by Frost

Ok, progress.
The thing is, it's obviously not ALL about haste. Since the post was first posted until this very second, I stated at the bottom:

The thing is this, unfortunately, this game is like any other dice and paper game ok? It's about numbers. You roll a 20 sided die and the numbers you throw up are your effectiveness in a group.

I state the following as an illustration, and not an insult in any way shape or form. You are rolling with a six sided dice, at one third the frequency of my thief, which happens to be rolling a solid twenty sided dice where 19/20 of the facets have "20" on them and I get to roll it three times as often.

What do I mean by that?

Roughly, comparing the gear you have versus mine:
Delay wise: I attack at an estimated 81% more times than you,
Frequency wise I'm hitting 24% more frequently than you.
Accuracy wise, versus a VT/IT mob, you'd parse in the high 60's low 70's, to my 92%+

That all said, I hit in total:
207 times in the time it takes you to hit 72 hits.

EVEN IF... I did not swap ANY gear, and I HAPPEN to weaponskill at 1/2 the potency of you, I would STILL out damage you.

Again, not picking on you.

Meanwhile:
I can cast either of my shadows 50% more frequently than you, and I can evade 22% better than you.

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That's not even the best case scenario.

If a monster is casting on me, I can swap into a set that mitigates 25% of all magical damage. IN terms of numbers, if I get a Blizaga IV to the face for 1200, it drops it down to to only 900 (Survivable).

When I cast a spell I put on enough evasion to drop the monsters effective accuracy to 20%, +/- 10% depending on the monster's level; ensuring I get the spell off. Mind you I do that while shaving an entire 25% of the actual cast time off the spell.

When I so wish, I can weaponskill in gear that if I were just to change 2 pieces and 2 pieces only I can guarantee a minimum of 15% damage to my weaponskill. if I swap the rest I can add 300% more Str than you're adding, 200% more Dex than you're adding, and for shits and giggles, a splash of Chr, Acc, Att, Triple attack, etc...

Using even basic gear-swaps maximizes your output when called for.

By my roughest of roughest of rough math, I could say I out-damage you on the order of 5:1, all the while keeping myself safe, my party safe, and making sure the mob dies quickly.

I am not an elitist. Anyone who knows me can attest to that. But people should expect better of themselves. Wouldn't you like to up your effectiveness 500% with minimal effort? Or maybe even just 100%? Wouldn't you be pissed if someone you worked with only did 20% of what you did and you get paid the same?

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I'm not against bettering myself at all. But I don't really see anything wrong with how I play either. I know you're not picking on me and you're just trying to inform me, so I'm cool with you. I will consider the information seriously, but I"m done clogging up your thread fighting with everybody else.

hmmm
anyone got a haste VS DW graph for cap? would be a good quick reference tool.

Also, what would be the minimum setups for capping delay reduction.

Looks like brd/whm + nin or dnc would probably work.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

Thanx for the info Frost. Its nice to have a simple table that actually shows the improvements at different intervals.

To all the Elitists out there (not including Frost who has quite shown he is not), If you want to "improve" the player base. Don't be a jerk. You are damaging your own cause. You whine and whine about how sucky some players are, then when there is someone willing to listen for a bit, you completely turn them off w/ personal attacks and insults. This says you don't really want other players to improve. What you really want is for them to stay poorer so that you can have an excuse to pretend you are better than they are. its pretty sad.. as in pathetic. If I picked some info about you whether real or made up to insult you up and down, you wouldn't want to listen to a word I said either. It wouldn't matter if any of it was true or not.

There are still many players who do not understand how haste works, or at least they will not know all the implications. Before the level cap increase, filling out haste gear for your job was more challenging. thats not an excuse for the trolling in this thread... She could have been wiser about it too, but she was too self-conscious about being called 'bad' or and idiot.

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Thank you Xilk.

I swear I have facepalmed at least once for every page in this tread, starting from around page 3. It's been a while since I've seen so much ignorance displayed in one single forum thread.

Let me just assure all the guys here that not all female FFXI players are the same.

My thanks to the OP for an informative post.

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Originally Posted by Naturebeckles

I can't believe one of you posted a guide which spawned this entire pointless discussion about the specifics over haste. Maybe I'll just stick to not being a haste whore....

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To all of you who are so ignorant as to think Naturebeckles did not bring this hate on herself. This is her first post, in case you forgot. Who is the one starting s*it again?

To the OP, thank you for posting this informative guide for all of our uninformed and newbies to the game. It's too bad is gets crapped up by trolls.

The whole irony of this thing is that Beckles like just as much an "elitist" as anyone else.

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I'm not against bettering myself at all. But I don't really see anything wrong with how I play either.

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The thread has shown numerous times why your style of gearing is less efficient for damage and survivability than those of others, hence showing that you are going wrong with your choices. To ignore those choices and disregard them is to actually be against bettering yourself.

A lot of this "oh I don't need haste" talk must only come from anti-conformist mindsets that most people grow out of by their late teens. FFXI is based on numbers and math. It is not about believing in the heart of cards. Not knowing the math is fine; being shown it and rejecting it outright is not. It's quite sad to see such juvenile behavior in a supposedly grown woman.