Nerfing Ukko/Vsmite so lazy players can be more useful?

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Originally Posted by Dart

the correct answer is to make a ukon. But instead of that you'll just bitch and be emo.

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Sorry, but its really not fair. Why should every other war get shafted because of 1 WS, that IF NERFED is still very good. I love my bravura, there is a reason I spend back then (4 yearsago) 1 year to complete it. Did you hear me bitch back then how easy empys are to do and that they overshadow Relics?

But this is just enough, withholding planned job traits, because of one WS is just silly. In this case i rather would have Ukonvarsa Wars being hit by the full nerf.

Would you as an Ukonvarsa War be happy to not get a Job trait, just because Bravura is too strong? I really doubt so.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Sorry, but its really not fair. Why should every other war get shafted because of 1 WS, that IF NERFED is still very good. I love my bravura, there is a reason I spend back then (4 yearsago) 1 year to complete it. Did you hear me bitch back then how easy empys are to do and that they overshadow Relics?

But this is just enough, withholding planned job traits, because of one WS is just silly. In this case i rather would have Ukonvarsa Wars being hit by the full nerf.

Would you as an Ukonvarsa War be happy to not get a Job trait, just because Bravura is too strong? I really doubt so.

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Of course they wouldn't i mean just look how much they cried at the inital nerf, it's enough to make you sick. As long as there precious ukon is not getting nerfed screw the relic i mean look how they reacted when empyreans first came out most of the community basically laughed at all the relic holders.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Sorry, but its really not fair. Why should every other war get shafted because of 1 WS, that IF NERFED is still very good. I love my bravura, there is a reason I spend back then (4 yearsago) 1 year to complete it. Did you hear me bitch back then how easy empys are to do and that they overshadow Relics?

But this is just enough, withholding planned job traits, because of one WS is just silly. In this case i rather would have Ukonvarsa Wars being hit by the full nerf.

Would you as an Ukonvarsa War be happy to not get a Job trait, just because Bravura is too strong? I really doubt so.

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I have 2 relics, both pretty much useless now. I'm not bitching i'm moving on, silently hoping that they become relevant again, but jesus people move on.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Sorry, but its really not fair. Why should every other war get shafted because of 1 WS, that IF NERFED is still very good. I love my bravura, there is a reason I spend back then (4 yearsago) 1 year to complete it. Did you hear me bitch back then how easy empys are to do and that they overshadow Relics?

But this is just enough, withholding planned job traits, because of one WS is just silly. In this case i rather would have Ukonvarsa Wars being hit by the full nerf.

Would you as an Ukonvarsa War be happy to not get a Job trait, just because Bravura is too strong? I really doubt so.

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You're seriously qqing over doing 1% less damage on the best damage dealer on the game. You're just making yourself look bad right now.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Not yet, but if you'd understood what I've been saying the whole time you'd know that.

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So the point was just to make them feel better?

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

No, because 15% is an adequate number. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the proposed nerf to Ukko's Fury was below 15%, and I am rather perplexed as to why Victory Smite has been reduced to 10% as it was unnecessary. Your problem is exactly thus, you don't care, but you should. Thousands of people got their weapon, and it's the best weapon in the game. That will not change when you lose a maximum of ten percent damage on your weaponskill. Most of you, for lack of a better term, meatheads seem to have a problem understanding this. How about the guy who made a Redemption or Rhongomiant? How do you justify their waste of time when they were useless to begin with? Ukonvasara is losing relatively nothing, and it opens up a platform for other jobs to gain without making every single fight in the game an absolute bore. Get over it.

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So mess up one persons hard work in order to validate another persons work? great. BRB going out to egg my neigbors house in order to increase the value of mine. Its perfectly fine though because their house will still be worth a lot afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Apparently you can not, or cannot comprehend the simple concept I've put forth thus far, because I've already answered the question. I'm the first to admit that I've misread posts before and interpreted them incorrectly, but come now, this isn't hard.

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5th post now, woulda been easier to just answer the question. You clearly can't.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Sorry, but its really not fair. Why should every other war get shafted because of 1 WS, that IF NERFED is still very good. I love my bravura, there is a reason I spend back then (4 yearsago) 1 year to complete it. Did you hear me bitch back then how easy empys are to do and that they overshadow Relics?

But this is just enough, withholding planned job traits, because of one WS is just silly. In this case i rather would have Ukonvarsa Wars being hit by the full nerf.

Would you as an Ukonvarsa War be happy to not get a Job trait, just because Bravura is too strong? I really doubt so.

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Welcome to Dark Knight's world and what the kraken club did to our JAs and 2hr. SE have steadily nerfed drk's because of the kraken club zerg on AV. Dark knights have received haste cap nerf, souleater nerf, absorb-tp nerf, dark magic skill formula nerf. War is going the same way, SE fear Ukon War's like the use too the kraken club drk, and what they like to do in this cases is nerf a job severely...however war so far has only recieved a slight nerf compared to drks and other jobs

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Of course they wouldn't i mean just look how much they cried at the inital nerf, it's enough to make you sick. As long as there precious ukon is not getting nerfed screw the relic i mean look how they reacted when empyreans first came out most of the community basically laughed at all the relic holders.

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this so much.

i had to sig it honestly.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

So the point was just to make them feel better?

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Point is to give everyone a more equal playing field.

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So mess up one persons hard work in order to validate another persons work? great. BRB going out to egg my neigbors house in order to increase the value of mine. Its perfectly fine though because their house will still be worth a lot afterwards.

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Seriously? You don't understand by now that it isn't coming close to messing up the weapon? Are you trolling? You must be, no one is this bad at reading comprehension, not even me. The nerf to Ukko's Fury isn't coming close to ruining Ukonvasara, and it surely isn't devaluing the 4-5 days it takes to build one.

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5th post now, woulda been easier to just answer the question. You clearly can't.

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6th post now, I'm growing tired of your beating around the bush. Either acknowledge that I've already answered your question and that you can't read, or stop wasting my god damn time.

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Originally Posted by Anewie

this so much.

i had to sig it honestly.

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Reading comprehension is nice. I've always been on the side that b'awwing about the nerfs was retarded because it didn't actually change the job hierarchy. You just assumed a lot of things because I have a Vereth.

Though, the people talking about how wonderful this is for other jobs are equally retarded as they don't seem to realize that WAR still handily outclasses whatever throw-away DD they're trying to champion. The only difference is WAR now outclasses PUP by a mile instead of a mile and a half. For any group that cares about absolute efficiency, nothing has changed in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Though, the people talking about how wonderful this is for other jobs are equally retarded as they don't seem to realize that WAR still handily outclasses whatever throw-away DD they're trying to champion. The only difference is WAR now outclasses PUP by a mile instead of a mile and a half. For any group that cares about absolute efficiency, nothing has changed in the slightest.

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That's not the point I'm trying to get across however. My belief is in that this is part one of a multistep process of job adjustments and balance, kind of like they said they were going to do when the cap reached its maximum, which it now has.