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Originally Posted by Sasukeuchiha
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Which is why you would make the bots useless by having the mob pop yellow for a few seconds and then pass claim to a random person on it's hate list. That way you'd still have to pay attention and be fast to get claim but it would also make bots completely worthless because attacking it first would not claim it. Claim would be given randomly to one of the people who attacked it during the 2-3 second long claim window.
Any new HNM coming?
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03-31-2011, 08:39 AMAtomic_Skull
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03-31-2011, 09:10 AMSwords
SE already did something similar to that in the past to interrupt spam bots, but all it really does it keep people from constantly spamming Job abilities and spells. All you end up doing is fake claiming the mob, receiving invalid message, and temporary delay penalty before you can recast the action, which by then is too late. Most of the bots now have been modified to adjust for the delay through packet sniffing, that lets people cast or use a JA so they can claim the exact moment the computer will allow people to claim.
Though the idea is not half bad, it's pitfall would be whomever has the most people would likely get claim. Most botters lack any real skill in playing their job, so they tend to have a bunch of people to throw at the NM to begin with. Besides, even if they did have some skill, it wouldn't take much to create or use a bunch of mule/trial accounts soely for claim. -
03-31-2011, 09:26 AMSasukeuchihaIn the end they should not make it a 21 to 24 hour + spawn. Can you not see all the problems that come from this system yet,. Bottting unfairness the faster it spawns and the faster people get there gear the faster there going to move on so everyone will have there fair chance at the nm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull
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03-31-2011, 09:50 AMSnaplin
Jesus Christ so much crying in this thread... Suck Less™ at claiming or don't camp. Easy as that.
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03-31-2011, 09:53 AMCream_SodaMost people's problem isn't w/ the camping itself rather than the possibility of NMs only popping once a day again, taking our step forward with the past couple of updates a huge step back in the wrong direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaplin
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03-31-2011, 03:11 PMAtomic_SkullI am aware of this, however my idea is the complete opposite of that so I don't see how it's relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swords
If bots did not exist and claiming was completely fair this would be the case anyway. More people would still = higher chance to claim.Quote:
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03-31-2011, 03:17 PMMrbeansman
For people saying there's no competition in the game anymore go camp Gukumetz or Amun during JP prime time and then come back with your QQing.
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03-31-2011, 04:52 PMSnaplinThis^^, lowering the re-spawn time won't make a difference but LS's who bot can claim more often. Poping once a day lets LS's be able to sit around and bot claim more then once. Suck it up and get better at claiming or don't camp is about all you can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrbeansman
Remember when Sandworm and Dark Ixion came out and everyone cheered SE on for such a good idea of a multi zone/Area pop NM? Hi2u Death spot scanner, no matter what SE comes up with there will always be a way to get an edge over the competition. ("???" Spawned HNM's?) There are bots that can trade a pop before your F8 Spam even clicks on it. Sorry but its one of those "Just deal with it situations. :/
On a Side note I do hope they bring HNM's back hell 30 min between each window means I can afk and get real life stuff done, I afk for 30 min in abyssea and my LS is on the opposite side of the zone while I'm getting face raped by some mob attacking me. I will agree tho windows like Tiamat, WTF was SE thinking?
Edit: To be honest SE prob. didn't think people would ally face camp HNM's who knows, Maybe they though LS's would mule there and race out. Can't be mad at them for other people having time on there hands. :/ -
03-31-2011, 05:23 PMRunespiderI spent years among HNM players, they don't want competition...at all.Quote:
For people saying there's no competition in the game anymore go camp Gukumetz or Amun during JP prime time and then come back with your QQing.
They want to be able to win and either cockblock others or just get their stuff asap, but they really don't like/want anything where they could routinely lose. As in they don't like fair odds compeition gives, thats why all the biggest shells were the botting shells.
People that say they want compeition from HNM really just want the old status they used to have standing around afk in an ebody that almost nobody else owned, every time I see people lose claim even in Abyssea they start turning on or searching out the bots. Thats all this games playerbase boils down to, if they can't win most of the time they'll cheat while spouting excuses as to why.
I wouldn't have a problem with this personally but it's easy to stop. Make it so that once claim is given to the random player your alliance is locked and you can't invite or outside assist that alliance. Now unless you can field 2 fully capable kill squads you can only claim on max of 18 players same as other shells.Quote:
Though the idea is not half bad, it's pitfall would be whomever has the most people would likely get claim. Most botters lack any real skill in playing their job, so they tend to have a bunch of people to throw at the NM to begin with. Besides, even if they did have some skill, it wouldn't take much to create or use a bunch of mule/trial accounts soely for claim.
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03-31-2011, 05:49 PMSnaplinThat's not entirely true, The JP bot shell on my server have so many f'king mules they could easily kill with an alliance of mules. I swear to god they Mule ally camp EVERY King even to this day, even if there is no competition because their the only ones who gives 2 cents about kings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Runespider