A Simple Request from Thieves: An upgrade to Thief's Knife.

What you posted had nothing to do with play style. You posted some things as facts that were 100% wrong and now you are playing the victim acting like you posted an opinion about how things should be and people jumped all over you for not conforming. You said you don't lose much by off handing TK. 100% wrong. You posted that TH works in some outlandish way which was 100% wrong and then tried to play it off like that was an idea you had one day that somehow replaced the truth of how TH actually works. I'm not talking about how much it increases drop rates which is still speculative. I'm talking about the cold hard facts that we absolutely know for 100% certain which you did not and from what I can tell still do not understand. If you put half the effort into learning game mechanics that you do into making long winded posts arguing about some vague concept of open mindedness we would all be much better off.

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Originally Posted by CapriciousOne

I know exactly what i'm talking about even you guys dont, cant, or won't follow my explanation of it and its only your OPINION that I dont know what I am talking about because YOU fail to understand it because you cant spend one minute stepping out of your own comfortable boring mindset of "HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE" as opposed to "WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN THE SAME THING BE ACCOMPLISHED" to see if it is even viable even if it doesnt necessarily suit your style before you even shoot it down. Regardless if it the Thief forum, or Red mage or any other forum it is the exact same bs nevertheless. Hell most of the changes SE proposed to jobs prior to releasing in the official update was shot down and described as "useless" before anybody actually had it in hand to see how it works and how it could be used with other know abilities and were so adamant about it as well. The thing that is really is killing this game isnt the game itself it is the bullheaded inflexible and unresourceful playerbase that pushes people away. I would just suggest SE just shut this crap down but that would only mean you jerk offs would just migrate to and destroy other good games as well. I rather have you guys isolated in one place then spread your mayhem.

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See... thing is, there's a huge hole in your "everyone is just mean and closed minded" theory. Your method of wasting tp and fighting in crappy gear has been tested, documented, and proven to suck. We aren't just shooting down your ideas out of spite. The resourcefulness you call in to question should be your own. there are spread sheets and tests linked all over this website that have been created by the closed minded unresourceful. You are the one who is not resourceful enough to look them up and understand them. There are plenty of different ways to achieve most goals. Not all of them are good (ie. the ones you have described).

I've fought Behemoth solely from SA/TA strikes...most I got was TH10, and it took close to a half hour, and I didnt get the KB item either.

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Originally Posted by CapriciousOne

I know exactly what i'm talking about even you guys dont, cant, or won't follow my explanation of it and its only your OPINION that I dont know what I am talking about because YOU fail to understand it because you cant spend one minute stepping out of your own comfortable boring mindset of "HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE" as opposed to "WHAT OTHER WAYS CAN THE SAME THING BE ACCOMPLISHED" to see if it is even viable even if it doesnt necessarily suit your style before you even shoot it down. Regardless if it the Thief forum, or Red mage or any other forum it is the exact same bs nevertheless. Hell most of the changes SE proposed to jobs prior to releasing in the official update was shot down and described as "useless" before anybody actually had it in hand to see how it works and how it could be used with other know abilities and were so adamant about it as well. The thing that is really is killing this game isnt the game itself it is the bullheaded inflexible and unresourceful playerbase that pushes people away. I would just suggest SE just shut this crap down but that would only mean you jerk offs would just migrate to and destroy other good games as well. I rather have you guys isolated in one place then spread your mayhem.

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No amount of indignation is going to add Treasure Hunter to Optical Hat or make killing stuff in Dynamis or Abyssea more slowly a good idea.

Part of being flexible and resourceful is knowing what to keep and what to throw away. Just as a camper doesn't pack up his or her camp fire every morning so he or she can suffer horrible burns throughout the day; the best way to use Thief's Knife is most often not to use it.

The thing is...people WANT Thief's Knife (or something similar) to be a viable option again, and this is where it gets funny. You're posting about people not considering all options, while making an argument against a presently near-useless option being made worthwhile.

Well, unless you only use Thief for fighting Fafnir until he makes like a proper Southern belle and offers you a cup of sweet tea. I guess Thief's Knife is still just awesome if that's the case.

Edit: I love how Nynja made a post about how drops are still disappointing even with tons of Treasure Hunter, in the very situation I mentioned as one somebody might currently choose to use the Thief's Knife.

Shine on, disappointing drop rates. Shine on with a dark un-light that destroys all hope.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

1.No amount of indignation is going to add Treasure Hunter to Optical Hat or make killing stuff in Dynamis or Abyssea more slowly a good idea.

2. Part of being flexible and resourceful is knowing what to keep and what to throw away. Just as a camper doesn't pack up his or her camp fire every morning so he or she can suffer horrible burns throughout the day; the best way to use Thief's Knife is most often not to use it.

3. The thing is...people WANT Thief's Knife (or something similar) to be a viable option again, and this is where it gets funny. You're posting about people not considering all options, while making an argument against a presently near-useless option being made worthwhile.

Well, 4. unless you only use Thief for fighting Fafnir until he makes like a proper Southern belle and offers you a cup of sweet tea. I guess Thief's Knife is still just awesome if that's the case.

Edit: I love how Nynja made a post about how drops are still disappointing even with tons of Treasure Hunter, in the very situation I mentioned as one somebody might currently choose to use the Thief's Knife.

Shine on, disappointing drop rates. Shine on with a dark un-light that destroys all hope.

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1. Why does everybody keep repeating this when I made it blatantly clear of my uncertainty of the name of the hat I was referring to. I said O-hat because that is the only hat item I remember having a discussion with a buddy who no longer plays anymore a while ago and it was the easiest hat for me to remember because lots of people used to talk about that and I just forgot the reason why especially since I rarely hear it mentioned any more. I was wrong about the name of the hat big fucking deal quit beating a dead horse like a geek already.

2. The keyword in that entire sentence is USEFUL. What item(s) any two people find USEFUL is totally dependent on the individual goals of the person being ask and how well they feel that item helps them to achieve that goal. That being said what two people find useful isn't universal. Even still if two people do find the same items useful that doesnt necessary mean they see it as necessary to have and actually use. Sure I find plenty of items on AH that COULD be useful but I dont work to get them because I've found ways to get what I need done without it.

3. I am not against people wanting the knife. All I was saying is that the knife is still useful as is if one has the stomach to deal with the reduce damage which most peopld just dont have. If a person really wants the drop they need to just accept the damage reduction and STFU otherwise ditch the knife. Also as far as I'm concerned even with a boost in the base DMG the knife will still be useless as far as my play style beyond the initial activation of it because the proc to make the level higher is still random and as the tier continues to go up the proc rate to raise it higher gets less and less. In otherwords I prefer to try and get the highest proc level as much as i can on each mob with slower kills to accomplish this which again differs from everybody else is fine. My personal issue is all the bullshit criticizing because I'm not the always in the hurry kill kill mode many people are in constantly. I personally like long drawn out fights myself to a degree. Killing shit fast is rather boring especially when it a NM that supposed to be all super strong and shit but at the same time I shouldn't require a timesheet to be punched to kill a mob either. I dont care if you or anybody like, agree or approve, that just me.

4. In a earliery post I'm sure you missed, I made it clear I dont even use the thief knife. In fact every since they implemented the whole thief effectiveness increases for main thief my Thief knife has sat in storage every since. I routinely fight mobs near and even above my level with my fellow present so the battle takes longer and I can get more procs and not have to worry about switching out weapons and losing tp just for that damn knife.

FGS everyone, give it a rest. This debate has all the intelligence, wit and dynamics of a grade school playground argument where each child believes they need the last word.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

My Doctor diagnosed me with a Brain Tumor after reading the last page.

Thanks guys.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

My Doctor diagnosed me with a Brain Tumor after reading the last page.

Thanks guys.

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I choose to read this as "My doctor read the last page, and it filled him with such sadness and anger that he gave me a brain tumor using the power of his medically trained mind."

Where is big Billy Goat Gruff when you need him?

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Originally Posted by Lokithor

FGS everyone, give it a rest. This debate has all the intelligence, wit and dynamics of a grade school playground argument where each child believes they need the last word.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

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Thank you for being about the only mature one on here. It is obvious I made mistakes in explaining my reasoning behind things and that is fine as I'm only human, but this whole "I am the authority on this topic and you are not" attitude is complete bs. I am more of the attitude that if I'm going to be bothered to party I am there for the sake of the party and not my own ego. If I have to take a hit in dps by equipping the knife to improve drop rates for the party then I will gladly do so and just keep the dagger equipped at all times. I understand that isnt for everybody but that is just fine for me. My damage alone will not completely kill the overall damage out and kill rate of the party if I am the only one taking the dps hit.

Despite whatever I said it was NEVER EVER meant as hey this is the only way or even the best way just an alternative way. Anyone and everyone can TAKE IT or LEAVE IT. All this overreaction name calling and insulting was really uncalled for really. I mean if anyway has the time to really be offended by anything I said, if I was them I would really re-evaluate the time being spent in playing this game, reading this forum, and see that I am obviously neglecting the rest of my life or there is something seriously wrong inside me that I'm taking people post so seriously to even be offended by it. Alas not everybody is me unfortunately. Sad thing I was even starting to respect Frank at one point for not being that way til I felt that had change but it doesnt matter. Me respecting him is probably about as important as any of you respecting my viewpoint no matter how off the grid you think is so that to is acceptable and no skin off my back.

In any case from what I seen in game and on these forums about the interaction of players about differing points of views from anything other than what has been "established" is what I feel is killing this game off and scaring off new players who would otherwise be comitted to the game. The percieve inflexibility or unwillingness to veer outside the "COMFORT ZONE" is amazing to me but not shocking. Its your money and you play how want I get that but if you really love this game and want it to continue to grow and prosper so that you can keep playing for years to come one might reconsider. Otherwise done be suprise if FFXI as well as FFXIV 2.0 doesnt get better and degrades to point they all get shut down. To each his own but I will continue to play solo and occasionally help any beginner who seem to seriously like the game and encourage them to try many different things to find what suits them and not just go with the status quo because everybody else says they should. I've seen people waste plenty of gil and the time to get that gil because of stuff like that and seen first hand what it does to people and them want to play after it. Guess that isnt important on here though.