For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

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Originally Posted by chrism

I just wish all these PS2 users would get themselves a PC... a cheap one and buy a cheap FF11 expansion pack off of direct2drive.com download all the expansions up until WoTg or add on scenarios if you want... then begin to play on the PC... THE old PS2s have become obsolete and I see people trying to sell the old PS2 models & Hard drive required to RUN FF11 for to much on amazon or ebay... or no one sells it at all.


I say down with the PS2 limitations, let technology move forward so FF11 can move forward as well.

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A quick search on Amazon turns up...

Used PS2 (not slim) : $30
PS2 Network Adaptor : $22
New FFXI with 40GB HDD : $50
PS2 CoP (new) : $10 / (used) $4
PS2 ToAU (new) : $3 / (used) $1.50
PS2 WotG (new) : $50 / (used) $40
Standard USB keyboard, black: $10
FFXI Ultimate Collection (Steam, on sale): $5
Scars of Abyssea Registration: $10
Vision of Abyssea Registration: $10
Heroes of Abyssea Registration: $10

So for someone with an existing account with all expansions & add-ons registered that already has a keyboard from a system that cannot run FFXI, they can go from busted system to playing for $147.50.

And someone can go from nil to playing FFXI with an account that has everything registered for $192, of which $35 goes to making a new account with everything registered - a cost any PC player would also have to pay in addition to purchasing a system.

And keep in mind this is all with US prices. JP markets are likely to be different.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

There's the flaw in your argument. If new content cannot be added because of said original machine, then there is no reason for support of the original machine further, hindering progress severely. On this logic, we should revert ffxi back to its state at the ps2 release because any form of updating contradicts your belief.

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Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.

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I can understand the point about how Vista needed to be able to run on previous computers. That being said, we are far past a 1 step upgrade, years past that. You clearly don't understand the concept/need for upgrading. Which is to move limitations so many yards/miles forward, to expand capability. There is a limit, we've reached it, time to upgrade the hardware. The game shouldn't die because you can't accept this.

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You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Boy, you sure do make a lot of faulty assumptions about my belief. We've had YEARS of updates without ditching PS2.

Furthermore, there is a flaw in your argument that there is no longer a reason to support the original machine, which is that there are players that still use the original machine. Instead of approaching the question of how to convince them to upgrade, you simply want to abandon them for your own benefit. Due to the number of players still using the aforementioned original machine, that is an unacceptable option, or it would already have been done. Therefore this is the issue that must be addressed before support for the original machine can be dropped.


You're quite mistaken. I understand both the concept and the reality of the importance of upgrading systems. You don't seem to understand that players who still use PS2 are paying customers just as you are, and are a significant portion of the player base. They should not be left behind because just because you can't accept that their money is worth as much as yours.

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Their inability to get with the times, is preventing future content, which I expect as a paying customer. If they can't upgrade because they can't afford to, then they need to get their priorities fixed, because as you said, they're paying customers. They also are not a significant portion of the player base just because you happen to be among them.

As for the years of updates without ditching the ps2, you clearly completely missed the point. Those updates you speak of what I was equating your example of Windows Vista being able to be run on older systems. We are so far beyond that point, that we cannot go further unless the original machine (the ps2) is dropped.

As for the topic of convincing them to upgrade, it's been gone over, many times, with many simple and cheap solutions. This merely adds to the fact that we're being held back pointlessly by stubborn individuals, such as yourself.

Don't like it? Fine, but because of you, the money I put in, has no chance of extending gameplay in the future. In essence, that means the money I'm paying each month is now devalued yet maintaining it's price.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Why do people keep assuming there is a need to purchase a new PC when making the jump from PS2?

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Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

Searching on amazon.co.jp, all used
PS2 with HDD: 6,480 yen
Network Adapter: 4,033 yen
FFXI Vana'diel Collection 2: 2,550 yen

Total: 13,063 yen. Converts to just over US$161

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Spero

If se was so worried about ps2 limitations, they would upgrade ps2 version to the ps3 version. They came up with the 360 version easy enough and they have an engine that would support ps3 already in ffxiv,so convert it for ffxi. Problem solved.

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AMEN!!!!! Everyone else agree? :)

you can buy a decent PC and play the game wit no issues.
would not cost you an arm and a leg for a barebone kit
like this one
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...3320&CatId=333

start saving some money sell some crap get a job buy a pc
when people say having a PC is not an option for me its just crazy. its 2011 !

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Originally Posted by chrism

Because according to alot of players the PS2 has limitations and if the PS2 system was taken out of the equation then FF11 could be improved ... but I don't really care anymore square-enix is stubborn like a young teenager they most likely will leave things as is.

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Yay for reading comprehension. </sarcasm>
I meant why do people keep assuming that there are people out there who play on PS2 but somehow do not possess a PC capable of running FFXI?