New weapons with higher base damage then relics

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Originally Posted by Manux

Do something about Excalibur sword as well...make the Knight of the round do more damage and make it PLD ONLY WEP.

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No... really... no...

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Why do you feel these laughably easy to obtain weapons should be 30% Stronger than a 99 Relic? Why do you feel relics should be outclassed when most if not all owners put in substantial time and effort? Why do you think Less Effort > More Effort in terms of rewards? Why should players who dont want to do the work get the best? Why can't you be happy with what you put forth the effort to obtain? .

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Because we all are Members of the same Online game, paying a monthly subscription. Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking, last I checked we are all using Green Money. No matter which way we look at things, most if not all is a time-sink.

FINAL FANTASY XI is not the same game that it used to be anymore. Like it or not, but that is our answer! Hehe~

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Below is a comment from Producer Akihiko Matsui in regards to the recent version update.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/im...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/im...post-right.png
With the release of the end of April version update, we've implemented Delve and have completed the battle content that was planned for the launch of Seekers of Adoulin.

I feel that the flow of content that we planned where players would take on higher tiers of content (content level) by progressing in stages is not going as smoothly as we'd like.

Specifically, I would like to adjust the fact that it's difficult to do colonization reives and lair reives in small numbers, as well as the fact that it is difficult to start Skirmish.

For the time being, Delve (the boss battle) has been set as the highest content level.

With this current state, I feel priorities should be placed on implementing and adjusting content for low-man or soloing more than adding further higher tier content, and I would like to work hard while heading in this direction so that a larger amount of players can enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Because we all are Members of the same Online game, paying a monthly subscription. Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking, last I checked we are all using Green Money. No matter which way we look at things, most if not all is a time-sink.

FINAL FANTASY XI is not the same game that it used to be anymore. Like it or not, but that is our answer! Hehe~

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Why should people who work harder and longer than me make more money than me. Why should someone with a degree get paid more money. We work at the same company and though they put in more time and effort into the company why should they make more than me... Guess I shouldn't go to college or try at my job because no matter what, I am going to make the same amount of money as the person who went to college and puts in more time. Clearly you know the difference between right and wrong and how the world works.

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Originally Posted by Schrute

Why should people who work harder and longer than me make more money than me. Why should someone with a degree get paid more money. We work at the same company and though they put in more time and effort into the company why should they make more than me... Guess I shouldn't go to college or try at my job because no matter what, I am going to make the same amount of money as the person who went to college and puts in more time. Clearly you know the difference between right and wrong and how the world works.

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This is a Video Game that you play, this is not a Company you're working for! ^.^

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Originally Posted by Krashport

This is a Video Game that you play, this is not a Company you're working for! ^.^

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There! Should help dispel those delusional achievements ppl have.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

This is a Video Game that you play, this is not a Company you're working for! ^.^

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Oh good, I'm so glad you figured that out on your own, that is a video game. Your next big brain teaser is to understand what I was saying. I'll give you a hint, it starts with META and ends with PHOR. After that we can talk about Sarcasm, but let's take baby steps ^.^ ^.^

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Oh good, I'm so glad you figured that out on your own, that is a video game. Your next big brain teaser is to understand what I was saying. I'll give you a hint, it starts with META and ends with FORE. After that we can talk about Sarcasm, but let's take baby steps ^.^ ^.^

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Sounds like someone got called out, more of a rant then Sarcasm.^.^ ^.^ ^.^

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woosh


http://grammarist.com/usage/than-then/

Game or not, I am sure I am not the only person who has played an adventure game and had their file corrupted or deleted somehow only to start all over after that hard work and time spent on it. That is somewhat how this feels to people, they spent tons of time working hard and long on this game making something that was powerful, to have that drop so harshly in value, it hurts. Its not like having your file deleted exactly, but its like having a backup file before you did a ton of level grinding and farming to make your next boss fight possible, and then your actual file got corrupted, so you had to start over at your backup, where all of that hard work is now meaningless and went to waste.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking

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Am I getting wooshed here? Do you read what you type before you click post? Or is this waht passes for thought in your head?

They ran out of tricks now they resort to straw-man and red herring fallacies.

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Originally Posted by Slaxx

Am I getting wooshed here? Do you read what you type before you click post? Or is this waht passes for thought in your head?

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I think you just wooshed me bud, cause you're not making any sense that I can see with this quote...

Here is the issue that led us to here.
A portion of the community is locked out of events because they don't have REM's. And honestly I have been annoyed many a time with shouts in Jeuno saying Relic or empy DD only. In my opinion that is just plain dumb. I am not going to build an Relic or Empy just so I can actually play the game. I am glad SE gave those people who became so obsessed with relic/ Empy a swift kick in the a@@. Does it suck for those people who spent all the time on their relic / empy yes it does. Should SE make the REM's a bit less underpowered now, sure. Should they go back to being the top weapons of the game, no.
Look main issue is Relics were made to be the end all be all weapons, then they added mythics. At 75 relics were rare and status symbols of achievement. Now at 99 they are relatively common not special weapons you now must have. I hate to break it to you all but the work and effort has already been belittled by the player base. Empy stand with Relics in term of status and if you play with a group that is working towards it you can get one fairly easy.
Also remember this game was never designed to pass 75 cap. 76-99 has caused a whole bunch of issues in the game mechanics. SE was nice and let you upgrade relics. Then the community turned around and punished people who either didn't want to or did not have the group to farm dynamis or honestly like in my case did not want to compete with the 40 bst in zone. Can I make a relic to join those groups sure spend the 6-12 months farming dynamis while dealing with bsts. Do I want to spend my free time being miserable and pay a company for it ....no. Should I be forced to so I can do events to get gear I want ... hell no. But that is what happened. I have been kicked from VW parties because I did not have super gear or 9/10 times a relic. VW the place where proccing and abyssite determine 90% of a fight. You think that is right and ok? I don't. Now we have crafted options that can at the moment overshadow relic empy and mythic in damage. So casual players can actually play this game and go to bigger events. I am sorry the time you spent of your choice feels wasted. But I feel worse for those people who have to log off in frustration since no group will take them due to not having a overvalued still only slightly better then easier gotten, weapon.
I know the REM holders will complain till SE makes them the top dogs again so the feel justified but hey sometimes things don't work out in the end no matter how much effort you put into it. Even if SE makes them on par with the new weapons they will still complain because they are not the "Best". I hope if SE makes R E M back into super weapons they make it so only a handful can actually do it. So we don't find ourselves in the same position as "R E M or go home".
Didn't a lot of people complain about the grind of events? Now we have events that is less grind and for some reason people are complaining again.

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Originally Posted by Maharo

Here is the issue that led us to here....[etc]

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I am sorry to hear that you were treated so roughly in such events, but that may be server specific as i myself have never been kicked from voidwatch for lacking a weapon in the RME ranks. In fact my only emps are 80 gandiva, 85 almace, and 85 kannagi, not one of which ive used in a voidwatch, an even that i did atleast 800+ pops on akvan and still failed to get a heka body. However there were more reasonable options presented, the WOE weapons, which i have 3 of, 2 99, and one 90, and ill be the first to say, and yes i may get flack for it, i created my maschu/hiradenotachi +2s and now their final forms in around 2 weeks work each, And there are times i outclass or give the 95/90 R/E users a run for their money because of the delay allowing higher volume of ws use. I also lack shoha so that says something.

I fully support there being more reasonable alternitives to the RME weapons, but i also have a few elemental path weapons, some WSDMG+10% and an OAT greatsword, and tpbonus+100 polearm. Now, i dont fear as muuch for my incomplete gandiva/almace/kannagi or my shamash or even gkt. What i do fear for is all those other very reasonable weapons are also wasted, me doing work to get to a point where i could keep up or compare with these RME users without hindering groups i join. I took great pride in getting my jobs to the place they were.

But now with what everyone thinks is weapons falling into their lap, all my hard work, and these magian trials that took a lot of time and effort, have become a memory, and not one i can relive because nobody will let me use my earned gear, because it isnt the newest, shiniest stuff. Atop that, the new content will ensure nobody wants to help me do the old content, because it is now less rewarding.

To top that off, with this steep incline, the only question is, where will the line be drawn? If we hush up, and next week theres weapons climbing to 350dmg, and the following week the weapons soaring to 500dmg, and beyond. And what if delve becomes RME only? Suddenly we are back at square one, and the constant gear tredmill we have been trotting on at speed 2 was just cranked up to 14, and before we can realize, too many players have fallen upon their chin, and slammed into the back wall.

I barely stated Salvage II, and then Reives came out, But thats okay, because the weapons from wildkeeper werent so outrageous as to render relics/mythics/empyreans obsolite totally, so i jumped into starting reives, and after getting my 3rd piece of gear, boom, update, all prior content diminished.

So while i do feel for you, i cant help but think either your, or my experiences are atypical of the common situation. But there already were weapons that could keep up with the old RME weaponry, and with coins becoming tradeable and bazaarable (i personally helped/gave 4 people the coins needed to make their own weapons) i dont see a need to flatten the playingfield and expect people to swallow that without a fight.

Id rather not see the damage on weapons keep skyrocketing out of control.

Edit: and not that it matters, but if anyone asks, i am fully willing to list the weapons i used for each of the 18 jobs i had leveled.

Oh come on.

People need to quit pretending there weren't other options besides REM. Again I know a few people with relics that went ahead and made magian OA2-4 weapons. Also, there were plenty of jobs noone cared what your weapon was. Every mage.

My blm is crap. Its skills are nearly capped (lol) and that's about all I can say for it. Never once did a group turn away my blm in his chatoyant staff.

REM only, for a lot of people, is just a way of saying they're not taking your pink dancer no matter how pretty you think she is when she does Haste Samba's dance. You could build quite the weapon with several (not several dozen, not several hundred, just several) hours time and a few million gil. You could also come whm,blm,sch,smn,brd,cor,blu and while yes, and geegollyhorn was desired, people will take a decent bard over nothing at all.

I know for a fact you can take blu because that's how I got into voidwatch. Turns out, if you say Blue Mage, 99% of the time, they won't turn you down. They didn't care that, at the time, I was dual-wielding isador and mageblade (spell-int-10% sword), and didn't care that his gear was comprised of ninja scraps that said blu on them.

Yes, some people are idiots, like the guy who turned down a mythic 99 drg because "we already have a drg"-it's a screenshot on ffxiah, but once you get past those, you meet pug leaders that actually aren't bad people, they just also don't want the blame for leading a bad run.

If there is any type of great cost associated with being the best at a job in this game, the people who wouldn't pursue relics and mythics and empies still aren't going to be the best. Dethroning REM isn't going to change that.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Because we all are Members of the same Online game, paying a monthly subscription. Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking, last I checked we are all using Green Money. No matter which way we look at things, most if not all is a time-sink.

FINAL FANTASY XI is not the same game that it used to be anymore. Like it or not, but that is our answer! Hehe~

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You don't understand why someone who puts more effort than you in something should get better rewards? This is almost as stupid as SE releasing all these new weapons.
Why someone who spent hours and money to lvl a craft to 100+ should get more money than someone with no craft at all? Answer is clear : because he did work harder to get it.

I don't know if this has even been discussed yet, because i'm not going to sift through the rest oft his ever growing thread, but the implementation of these new weapons has invalidated any magian weapon trial. Obviously we're thinking about the empyrean aspect but when trial of the magians was introduced it basically made it so you would never have to buy a weapon off the AH again to be up to par, which was nice from someone who struggled to buy a Hagun back at 75 cap. But these new weapons make it so ToM serves no purpose other than to upgrade RME to 99/Afterglow, Relic Armor and Job emotes.

I honestly liked trial of the magians a lot. I hope that whatever they have planned encompasses every weapon that goes through a magian trial at the very least.

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Originally Posted by Maharo

Here is the issue that led us to here.
A portion of the community is locked out of events because they don't have REM's. And honestly I have been annoyed many a time with shouts in Jeuno saying Relic or empy DD only. In my opinion that is just plain dumb. I am not going to build an Relic or Empy just so I can actually play the game. I am glad SE gave those people who became so obsessed with relic/ Empy a swift kick in the a@@.

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Maybe if you spend 1hr reading forums and do some research, you'd find out there are several other options available if you don't have R/E/M.

1. Play jobs that doesn't need R/E/M, or have decent alternatives. Only 3 DD jobs need a R/E/M to perform well, so you have other jobs to choose from.

2. If you think you have good performance, but still not accepted to the pt, make your own pt. I'm not sure why everyone and their mother complained about no invite without R/E/M, and still refuse to make their own.

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Originally Posted by Maharo

VW the place where proccing and abyssite determine 90% of a fight. You think that is right and ok? I don't. Now we have crafted options that can at the moment overshadow relic empy and mythic in damage. So casual players can actually play this game and go to bigger events.

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3. Actually, R/E/M being required in VW, it's not player's fault. Because VW isn't proccing/abyssite determine 90% of fight, it's dmg output determine 70% of fight. SE made the gap between R/E/M and regular job too big to begin with, and VW has high wipe rate T6+ if output is too low. Fights like T6+ or prov, you will see fail rate increase if fight dragged to over 3 min, and certain weaker PUG it last for 5+ min or even 10.

Thus it's completely reasonable for the pt to aim for higher output, to be able to win in 1~3 min. You can have nearly 100% win rate if the mob dies in 2 min, but if it goes higher it's easier to wipe.

If Ukon lv 85 still superior than other AH GA options at lv99, then safe to say the gap between R/E/M and AH weapon is too big, and once you let lv 85 empy obtainable by majority of dedicated players, the game balance went out of control.

4. If you think new AH weapons would "save" casual weapons, gl with that. By the end of next month it'd be delve weapon only instead of R/E/M only. And if you think you can just go to AH and buy a weapon and be happy, then you're not a casual player probably.......certain ingot required to craft new weapons already went over 10M each, and that's not counting NM drop needed. GL for casuals to be able to afford those new craftable weapons now that 1 reliable gil making method is gone.

This is a quote from fillerbunny9 on ffxiah.com but not sure I could say it better.
with the relative ease that (Delve)drops occur, what is going to KEEP people playing? this isn't WoW where you have a massive, casual playerbase to live off of month to month while the harder core players complete the expansion like it's a race. if people are getting their "insert crazy aztec named weapon here" what's going to maintain their sub from month to month? we're done with levelling, even soloing RUN I took it to 74 and a half before ducking into Abyssea within a week. I see the new weapons already on their 2nd Augment in East/West Adoulin frequently enough that I wonder if once the people racing through this content are finished, if they don't just let their subs. lapse because oh hey, 99% of the content in the game has been rendered obsolete.

what are all the pet job players to do now that the weaponry FAR exceeds any balance with pets? Wyverns are now even more laughable than before, Avatars, Automatons, and BST Jugs are all a joke now. (well, Automatons are still useful as a WHM, but who's going to take PUP to the new content?) Black Mages spells are not hitting any harder from what I have seen, Scholars are just casting Cure spells with their White Mage brethren, and Red Mage.... what the ***'s a Red Mage? meanwhile SE alienates their base of melee by saying "any weapon you put a lot of work into is now a steaming turd compared to this stuff you can get pretty damn fast, now chase them down!" and they're supposed to smile while they're fed that ***sandwich.

it's no wonder Matsui feels like he is getting an ulcer, because the updates have shown just how little of a plan they actually have beyond inflating numbers while letting the rest of the game go to pot. the entire XI Dev Team has been caught with their pants down, and the best they can do is "get back to us" about solutions to breaking the game.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Because we all are Members of the same Online game, paying a monthly subscription. Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking, last I checked we are all using Green Money. No matter which way we look at things, most if not all is a time-sink.

FINAL FANTASY XI is not the same game that it used to be anymore. Like it or not, but that is our answer! Hehe~

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I do want to thank you for being the only person for this Hyperdrivegeargrind XI update to take the time to answer my question. But as said, I would like to respond. (Edited in: Please understand, after about the first paragraph I am no longer addressing you directly, once you get to the point where my posts becomes gradually less "nice", you'll know I'm not addressing you anymore, and generally just the entire populace fapping to our 'tears')

The guy who used the company metaphor is spot on. By which reasoning do you think doing less effort means should be getting the same rewards as someone putting in double/triple/quadruple your work? If i worked for 20 hours a week, should i be outraged that i don't get paid the same amount as people who play 40 hours a week? I'm sorry but this is exactly what you're doing, rather it be a game or a job, Effort = Reward, in MMOs, and even in every offline game ever. Things aren't just handed to you because you feel entitled to them.

And one point in particular, you make it seem as If these people with RMEC had some unfair advantage in obtaining them. They don't. YOU, ALL OF YOU who sit there and Float on about how easy to obtain RMEC are, don't even own one, but the kicker is, you could get a Relic with less than 2hours a day, 2 hours even if you want to take full advantage of the zone time... You could make an Empyrean, over a longer period of time, with less than 2hours a day, Mythic is another story but it always has been, and while it would take a long time, you could also do it with less than 2 hours of effort a day.

All of these weapons you already have the EQUAL AND OPPORTUNE RIGHTS TO OBTAIN, its just a matter of how or how not lazy you are, Because every single event to obtain a RMEC can be done, casually, in 1 hour. That and some of you need to realize the difficulty and power of the NM's and delve itself means that the general type of people cheering these new weapons are likely never to see one within the first 2-3 months because no ones going to want a non RME DD or because no ones going to want to let you essentially Leech. Plus, the AH weapons you cheer about are likely going to cost you half/fourth the price of a relic for the first few months they're in the game.

So in all honesty, There's still a huge amount of effort you'll need to put into obtaining these. Unless you get lucky and someone lets you leech their run, you're just going to be sitting in town, like you did for 11 years when you could have been out doing dynamis for a relic, so the difference is moot, and to be frank, all of you are really just happy us evil elitists can't have our special satan weapons to hold over you sweet innocent saints.

Honestly, and I'm covering my bases with this, if you didn't get a RMEC because it wasn't "fun", then why do you care that other people did so much that it makes you get a Gameboner because these weapons are being outdated? You do and always have had the same chances and oppurtunities as current RMEC holders are, the only difference was motivation and drive. When i got my mandau, i was playing very casually, i worked for a Webhosting company full time, and I solo'd most of the dynamis runs during Stage III/IV, it took me months and months and months, But all i needed to do was dedicated 2hours a day, hell I didn't even go every day. I'm living proof incarnate that the argument or RL, Time constraints, "Special blah blah" is just a logical falacy and a scapegoat used to give your arguments more "umph" because when you ask yourself, "Why am i happy?" all you can think of is you have an unnatural hatred of RMEC owners because they work harder than you, and had better gear to show for it, and you can't stand that.

(Though, I will hit one for your side too, some of the RMEC i see are actually raging for the opposite reason, they feel special and now they're angry they can't be "Better" Than everyone, but this is like 5% of the RMEC population, almost every RME I've met got their 95-99 Version only because they loved the job and wanted to be better at it, not show it off and laugh at you folk).

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Sitting on your ass collecting hundreds to thousands of low drop rate items isn't hard work. It's a test of patience and how much you're willing to waste your time for something.

The ironic thing is, the people crying now were bitching at people who suggested making getting the items easier or adding them to other content when that would have been a 100x better solution than these new weapons, but hey, people hate seeing their "status" taken from them.

Also it's been about a week now, does your entire server have all of these weapons yet? Are the AH flooded with the "better buyable weapons" yet? Have people stopped working on VW/Dynamis/Mythic upgrading? Are people not buying out Alexandrites/Dross/Cinder/Plates/Merrow/etc?

I'm curious to know, because on my 2 servers (Asura and Odin) people are still going business as usual.

Actually, I've noticed a dead drop/stall on most Currency sales. People might still make Ukkonvasara or Vereth simply cause of the WS, but honestly even MNKs are like "Fk it, Shijin Spiral time with the new h2h".

As for the server, One guy i did ones with has about 90k Points, he could own 3 of the weapons at any time, and already owns 2-3 pieces of armor, these things, despite how some people might be, are stupid easy to obtain, its irrelevant if someone has "all" of them, you can't get "all RME" in a week, let alone 1, but the fact is these are popping up everywhere.

IDK why I'm even arguing this? IDC how easy they are to obtain or how much they beat RME, personally I'm just upset at SE's lack of foresight in this and the fact my FFXI is driving down GenericGearGrinder Boulevard, which frightens me cause every MMO I played that did this has grow stale for me (and the other thousands of people who left it for dead) within weeks...

So few people seem to be enjoying the game anymore.

What is the opposite of expansion, because that's what Adoulin is.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

So few people seem to be enjoying the game anymore.

What is the opposite of expansion, because that's what Adoulin is.

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The word you're looking for is Contraction.

I for one still <3 the game,with new areas and content,i am a happy camper except for some issues with "Critical chop" i,m good..As pld i got screwed when we were still at 75 cap,now i,m happy again to be paladin with some relevance!!

I also do not think SE Would make the work ppl have put into the R/M/E weapons,only because it would make those that put in that time have rage issues..........Just saying.

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I do want to thank you for being the only person for this Hyperdrivegeargrind XI update to take the time to answer my question. But as said, I would like to respond. (Edited in: Please understand, after about the first paragraph I am no longer addressing you directly, once you get to the point where my posts becomes gradually less "nice", you'll know I'm not addressing you anymore, and generally just the entire populace fapping to our 'tears')

The guy who used the company metaphor is spot on. By which reasoning do you think doing less effort means should be getting the same rewards as someone putting in double/triple/quadruple your work? If i worked for 20 hours a week, should i be outraged that i don't get paid the same amount as people who play 40 hours a week? I'm sorry but this is exactly what you're doing, rather it be a game or a job, Effort = Reward, in MMOs, and even in every offline game ever. Things aren't just handed to you because you feel entitled to them.

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There is so many metaphors, so much feeling, so much love that some are pouring into a video game. I mean with all that time and energy poured into a video game and not having or learning the ability to realize things will replace other things. I wouldn't call that time and energy well spent.

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And one point in particular, you make it seem as If these people with RMEC had some unfair advantage in obtaining them. They don't. YOU, ALL OF YOU who sit there and Float on about how easy to obtain RMEC are, don't even own one, but the kicker is, you could get a Relic with less than 2hours a day, 2 hours even if you want to take full advantage of the zone time... You could make an Empyrean, over a longer period of time, with less than 2hours a day, Mythic is another story but it always has been, and while it would take a long time, you could also do it with less than 2 hours of effort a day.

All of these weapons you already have the EQUAL AND OPPORTUNE RIGHTS TO OBTAIN, its just a matter of how or how not lazy you are, Because every single event to obtain a RMEC can be done, casually, in 1 hour. That and some of you need to realize the difficulty and power of the NM's and delve itself means that the general type of people cheering these new weapons are likely never to see one within the first 2-3 months because no ones going to want a non RME DD or because no ones going to want to let you essentially Leech. Plus, the AH weapons you cheer about are likely going to cost you half/fourth the price of a relic for the first few months they're in the game.

So in all honesty, There's still a huge amount of effort you'll need to put into obtaining these. Unless you get lucky and someone lets you leech their run, you're just going to be sitting in town, like you did for 11 years when you could have been out doing dynamis for a relic, so the difference is moot, and to be frank, all of you are really just happy us evil elitists can't have our special satan weapons to hold over you sweet innocent saints.

Honestly, and I'm covering my bases with this, if you didn't get a RMEC because it wasn't "fun", then why do you care that other people did so much that it makes you get a Gameboner because these weapons are being outdated? You do and always have had the same chances and oppurtunities as current RMEC holders are, the only difference was motivation and drive. When i got my mandau, i was playing very casually, i worked for a Webhosting company full time, and I solo'd most of the dynamis runs during Stage III/IV, it took me months and months and months, But all i needed to do was dedicated 2hours a day, hell I didn't even go every day. I'm living proof incarnate that the argument or RL, Time constraints, "Special blah blah" is just a logical falacy and a scapegoat used to give your arguments more "umph" because when you ask yourself, "Why am i happy?" all you can think of is you have an unnatural hatred of RMEC owners because they work harder than you, and had better gear to show for it, and you can't stand that.

(Though, I will hit one for your side too, some of the RMEC i see are actually raging for the opposite reason, they feel special and now they're angry they can't be "Better" Than everyone, but this is like 5% of the RMEC population, almost every RME I've met got their 95-99 Version only because they loved the job and wanted to be better at it, not show it off and laugh at you folk).

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I'm not on any side to be honest. I just play and enjoy the game when I can with family and friends.

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Maybe that save file got corrupted because it wasn't replaced with a new and updated one. Maybe the Employee who is getting paid more, is sleeping with the manager. Maybe the person that is passing the grade, is working on some extra credits... ;) Come on say it with me, I play the game, the game does not play me!:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Also it's been about a week now, does your entire server have all of these weapons yet? Are the AH flooded with the "better buyable weapons" yet? Have people stopped working on VW/Dynamis/Mythic upgrading? Are people not buying out Alexandrites/Dross/Cinder/Plates/Merrow/etc?

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A lot of people have stopped upgrading old weapons, currency, plates, alex, ect have pretty much slowed and you don't see many voidwatch shouts now.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

And the "setback" he is referring to is the new weapon selection. Realistically, most dedicated players will only have access to the buyable Plasm weapons (like Aphotic Kukri) so 1H users have only one hand with new DPS. They're left either offhanding an old knife for the benefits of Dual Wield or single wielding, which represents a substantial DPS hit in either case. 2H users also only have access to buyable Plasm weapons, but they can use those weapons on 100% of their swings/WSs.

Thus, if the new Plasm weapons represent a 30% DPS increase, 1H users see something more like a 15% DPS increase while 2H users get the full 30%. This widens the gap between the two types of weapons even further.

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Further, a point very much worth consideration, is the accuracy difference, setting aside 2h dex calculations.

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There is so many metaphors, so much feeling, so much love that some are pouring into a video game. I mean with all that time and energy poured into a video game and not having or learning the ability to realize things will replace other things. I wouldn't call that time and energy well spent.

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Time and Energy Well spent are relative/subjective so i can understand why you may see it differently, but at the end of the day, I'd say so long as you enjoy what you're do, the time you spend is well spent.

Rather its drinking your tears away at a bar, partying with friends, playing FOOZBALL, calling people idiots on a forum, or FFXI, Each task is equally irrelevant in the grand scheme of ones finite lifespan, so you can't really waste time, since you're given the option to spend it as you see fit :D.

Thats just a minor issue though. Horrific philosophicak crap out of the way, you mention it, and i wanted to make it a little clear, everyone who plays FFXI probably plays to have fun, its just fun is subjective, what you find fun they might not find fun, and vice versa. The view that this is good or this is bad are both equally wrong because there is no black and white when it comes to it. Saddly, as much as i hate the gear grind, It doesn't make it a bad choice, as much as those who think outdating relics think its "good" are equally wrong.

You guys... Seriously... I've missed your psychotic ravings. <3

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Originally Posted by Zumi

A lot of people have stopped upgrading old weapons, currency, plates, alex, ect have pretty much slowed and you don't see many voidwatch shouts now.

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Let's be real, you barely seen shit getting done on Phoenix prior to this outside of certain linkshells lol. The only time it was active was when Titan merged because it was the Titans who actually shouted for stuff.

If you have your ultimate relic/empy/mythic, and you don't want to play the new content to get a better weapon, then leave.

This isn't supposed to be a snarky comment. You've reached your ultimate goal, and you don't consider the new content to be an advancement. You're done!

I left today, and I don't feel resentful. This game has given me years of fun, and now I'm ready to move on to something else. Sounds like that's true for a number of you.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Because we all are Members of the same Online game, paying a monthly subscription. Why should those Members that play longer and invest more time out of their lives... get the better rewards is what we should be asking, last I checked we are all using Green Money. No matter which way we look at things, most if not all is a time-sink.

FINAL FANTASY XI is not the same game that it used to be anymore. Like it or not, but that is our answer! Hehe~

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With every VU you see gimps claiming this, with every expansion you see gimps cry after a while. This happened for abyssea, remember ? Even BG gimps couldn't 90 their empy and still can't 99 their RME these days let alone afterglow them. For game balance (aka keeping people playing) you need to add difficulty at one point (which effectively means impossibility in your case). You are seeing the point weapons as the omfgdrop from the expansion when the real drop is the one from the endbosses. Guess who will get the "drops" in the end ?

I'm just hoping for new relics weapons which those weapons are not ( unless they are a 1% droprate which sounds retarded seeing what they've done so far).

I still don't understand what they had in mind with skirmish. The idea sounded cool but now it's shit. Here is some advice SE : allow to enter skirmish with imprimaturs. As you may have noticed nobody is doing imprimatures anymore because you completely destroyed the point of doing them (the main point was getting the CS for wildkeeper reives (for wpns) which you only need if you care about entering a fracture as leader). Oh but wait the weapons are now garbage. SE just trashed content released 3 weeks ago. I wonder what we will get in 3 weeks...

i know it can take more time to get a E/M/R but if you do do them did you not get what you wanted from doing the quest/missions etc? i would say 90% of the gear in this game has become obsolete over the years with each new expansion so i expected nothing less when they announced a new one.

i can kinda understand why people are mad about this but at the same time what did you expect from a new expansion if not better gear and weapons that were easier to obtain? i would have thought most would have liked this after the ridiculous requirements to max out E/M/R.

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i know it can take more time to get a E/M/R but if you do do them did you not get what you wanted from doing the quest/missions etc? i would say 90% of the gear in this game has become obsolete over the years with each new expansion so i expected nothing less when they announced a new one.

i can kinda understand why people are mad about this but at the same time what did you expect from a new expansion if not better gear and weapons that were easier to obtain? i would have thought most would have liked this after the ridiculous requirements to max out E/M/R.

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R/E/Ms weren't just a piece of gear with ridiculous requirements. They're the ultimate weapons with perfectly reasonable requirements, but expected to be achieved over a long period of time.

The requirements for Relics and Empyreans (okay mythics are outrageous) look daunting, but they can be got in a matter of a few months. Sure that's a long time, but when you're at the end of the game and you've finished everything, that's the end goal.

So they have every right to be pissed off, assuming this will never get fixed. Except of course it will get fixed, so I don't know what the issue is.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It's still just a video game. Name another MMORPG that keeps ONE SET OF WEAPON OR ARMOR as the top and must need to do any content. I'm very curious because most MMOs, especially in 2013, has an actual gear progression.

You say it's not a smart decision, it's understandable being butthurt and crying if you completed a relic and mythic in 2007 for example, but for fucks sake, it takes only a month-2 months tops to complete a relic these days and mere days to complete an empyrean if you're dedicated.

It only takes awhile to complete a Mythic because of, as I stated, artificial difficulty. These new weapons actually has an entry barrier that'll make them actually something to work for (sounds familiar?)

The sad part about all of this bitching, the ones bitching are out there working towards getting these weapons. :\ The other funny thing about this, it was likely the same people who bitched when Abyssea released..oh, you don't remember the years and years we spent grinding content like Sky, Sea, Ground Kings and Einherjar only for Abyssea and VW to come out and negate all that work and everyone moved on their with lives just fine?

You say you can't use other MMORPGs as an example, but why is it that everyone is content in said other MMOs with gear progression..? Probably because almost every other MMO is designed this way and not keep things relevant for years on end rather than making something better to work for. Serious question Afania, did you join post Abyssea? Or did you quit after Abyssea released? I'm going to guess you joined post Abyssea.

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<,< pso i dont think omega gene flow was ever replaced or black ring or even crazy tunes

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So they have every right to be pissed off, assuming this will never get fixed. Except of course it will get fixed, so I don't know what the issue is.

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Don't count your chocobos before they hatch, pal.

REM + ghastly stone+2 = ~+50 base damage.

that + Airlixir+2 = ~+50 more base damage.

BAM! fixes everything. keeps dynamis/salvage/voidwatch relevant. makes Skirmish relevant again, and also gives REM holders another reason to do Delve.

So obvious I dont know how they didnt see it to begin with.

To make skirmish relevant again all they'd really have to do is significantly reduce the entry requirements. If they did that, the average player could probably burn through Skirmish so long as they're smart and own at least Emp+2/Reive gear and use macros.

I'd bother doing Skirmish for a few of the weapons as hold-overs if it wasn't so stupid easy to do Delve and so stupid hard to enter Skirmish.