The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.

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I'm starting to think the people arguing against it are just more of the same people who complain about wanting pro gear no one can get. They thing their STR weps are all-pro weapons and should be more rare, even though its entire problem with rarity if a problem of weather & drop rate.

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Originally Posted by Komori

Are you really saying that items for a magian weapon should be the same individual cost as hmp? Because when they reach 100~120k. You really might as well buy a full empyrean rather than a magian fire weapon. You would get more of your money's worth out of it and that's really, really sad. A lesser weapon should never cost more or take longer to farm than the superior.

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if you merch an empy to 85, lets say ukon, that's approx 300k~400k per item. of course, you can farm it up, however you want to buy it because that is what is most convenient. so you would be paying around 17.5mil just to get it to the 80(see: useless) stage. but if you don't want to farm up and kill the next NM for the 50 items, you can merch someone to do it, as well for around the same price (thanks tunga) and be stuck with a 35mil price-tag for an 85 version of the weapon.

with the current 70k selling point for flame geodes on siren, you'd end up with a 2.8mil cost to get a fire magian weapon to level 95.

so no, you all are abusing hyperbole when you throw accusations out, to hide the fact that the issue isn't the sellers, but more-so the buyers.

also, two words: pyrosoul ring

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

Are you mad that you can't go to a place with lower level mobs and clear weather on a firesday? Or are you just too lazy?

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I'm trying to make a -perp/BP Delay staff for Ifrit. Tell me why that particular staff should cost me more or take me longer to complete than any of the others? It does the exact same thing for Ifrit as the ice-based staff does for Shiva or the dark one does for both Fenrir and Diabolos. You go work on a set of those staves and then come back and tell me I'm lazy.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I'm trying to make a -perp/BP Delay staff for Ifrit. Tell me why that particular staff should cost me more or take me longer to complete than any of the others? It does the exact same thing for Ifrit as the ice-based staff does for Shiva or the dark one does for both Fenrir and Diabolos. You go work on a set of those staves and then come back and tell me I'm lazy.

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you're lazy (see, i came back)
sounds like you picked the wrong weapon. <<that's too bad.>>

i only have smn for PD-mule, and nothing more, so i'd have to be a moron to make a weapon just per request of someone over a forum.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

you're lazy (see, i came back)
sounds like you picked the wrong weapon. <<that's too bad.>>

i only have smn for PD-mule, and nothing more, so i'd have to be a moron to make a weapon just per request of someone over a forum.

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Yep, just as much a troll as I suspected. I just hope the folks at SE are smart enough to ignore you.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Yep, just as much a troll as I suspected. I just hope the folks at SE are smart enough to ignore you.

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just keep saying that to yourself, it's not going to get you flame geodes any faster (or gil)

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

you're lazy (see, i came back)
sounds like you picked the wrong weapon. <<that's too bad.>>

i only have smn for PD-mule, and nothing more, so i'd have to be a moron to make a weapon just per request of someone over a forum.

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You miss the point entirely. Alot of fire trials that are not the same as the base weapon trials, such as the staff trials as a whole, are effected by this pricing, and as such are much more expensive than their counterparts, however have no special benefit that makes them stand above the rest.

I think any effort to try to make that guy understand is a waste of energy by now. He's dead set on this being the way it should be, regardless of any logically sound argument.

Let's just hope he doesn't work at SE.

All of this arguing is unnecessary and entirely misses the point. The availability of fire weather in this game is NOT balanced when compared to other weathers. As a result, it is not as easy to farm flame geodes. This is a fact. Calling people lazy doesn't change this. Yes, you can farm flame geodes on Firesday. That still doesn't change the fact that you can reliably farm every other type of geode outside of its respective day.

Camate and Okipuit are correct in that the *drop rates* for each of the types of geodes are balanced when compared to each other. Where they are wrong is claiming that there isn't a big difference in the *rate of obtaining* flame geodes versus the other elements. Snow, Wind, Darkness, Water and Light weather are available almost 100% of the time in their respective zones. The latter two ARE available 100% of the time. Thunder and Earth are also very common. You will be able to obtain these geodes much more quickly than you will flame geodes because you have more opportunities to farm them thanks to frequent weather.

I personally think certain zones like Ifrit's Cauldron and Mount Z should have very frequent fire weather. If the dev team doesn't think this is a problem, then I will have to respectfully disagree. Where I do have a problem is their claim that the only reason flame geodes are so expensive is because fire magian trials are so popular. They cannot deny that fire weather is by far the least accessible weather in this game. If fire weather were more accessible, flame geode prices would be about the same price as breeze geodes.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

just keep saying that to yourself, it's not going to get you flame geodes any faster (or gil)

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I see where you get your name from. Perhaps you lost your legs and now have a prosthetic hence Plasticleg. Now I can see where your unhappiness clouds your judgement. Perhaps the leg was a war injury and you now feel bitter causing you to think others are just lazy if they don't want to work as hard as you believe you once did. Thus you arrogantly go around accusing others who have a problem with the current availability of an item lazy.

Anyway, the main topic on the forums nowadays goes back to the term balance. It really does not matter how high or low the demand for the item is. It is simply that the flame geodes availability is unbalanced due to fire weather being the rarest weather in the game. That is it, and we do not need a huge thread going back and forth about it with SE putting their hands back going "don't look at me bro".


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Finally, just to respond to Demnon's post to me. Apparently you just see it differently, but here is how we get to the bottom line of geodes not being alexandrite or heavy metal.
It is pretty simple too, and it goes like this. Fifty five, thirty thousand, and one thousand five hundred.

You really want to tell me that you can relate the two to a geode on the premise of popularity and lack of access? If you think the demand for a geode is anywhere near that of a metal or alex then I just do not know what to tell you because that is flat out wrong. The method for getting all three is different too so to throw them all in the same boat with the nonsensical title of "not farmable" is just odd.
What does "not farmable" even mean? The items all have to be gathered from what they drop from in game. The only items "not farmable" are the ones you can not obtain.

The high price for Alex and Metal comes from their widespread demand for trials that are intended to be harder to complete and stronger than what a flame geode is used for. Flame geodes too are not even at the price of a few Alex or a Metal because of the trial.

You honestly might as well just say the three are all items in FFXI and therefore are similar.