New 2-hour Abilities

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Originally Posted by Theytak

.....lolpup2h.....

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If the current PUP 2 hour was 3-5 minutes (and maybe had some sort of minor refresh, regain, and regen) instead of 1 minute then it would not be such junk, but the new one is at least better than the old one. Certainly better than not 2 houring at all if you are on the job.

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Originally Posted by Raucent

May as well bet on it already the DRK one will yet again be Nigh useless on anything Undead.

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Nigh useless is being optimistic, it it drains tp as it says, it will in fact be, completely useless. Can I have the new sam 2hr instead?

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

A new 2 hours ability should be extremely overpowered and game changing since you can only use it every 2 hours.

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I severely disagree. No 2 hours should be overpowered like that, because it will lead to Embrava situations all over again. Events don't happen often enough for the 2 hours to be an issue. So what if you have to take a 2 hour break between Odin and Legion? If everyone gets insanely overpowered killer abilities every two hours, that's exactly what would happen. People would keep abusing them and normal gameplay would lose all of its current value at endgame.

I don't care how (much more) unpopular this will make me sound, but I'll say it: remove all 2 hour abilities. They're a design flaw. In a game with sparse events like this waiting two hours means nothing if 2 hour abilities are overpowered, and people will do just that, wait for their timers. If they aren't overpowered though, they won't even be worth using due to their huge delay and will always remain very situational. My suggestion is weaken their effects and make them all on a 5~10min recast. I know it would break many current strategies (and by that I mean the one strategy everyone uses on everything, namely Embrava and Perfect Defense zerg), but it seems like the only reasonable thing to do to keep the gameplay this game was designed on in the game somehow, because right now it isn't.

So.... THF's new 2hour is going to be a 1-hit Ability.

I wonder if its going to be weaker than a Normal Trick Attack WS. My bet is... Yes. Significantly weaker, to the point I'll probably stick to Keeping Perfect Dodge timer up incase I get links in Dynamis or something.

Oh... Poop. I promised myself i wouldn't be negative about updates. I can't help myself. :(

Thanks for the update :)!

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Originally Posted by Camate

We are looking forward to hearing your thoughts after testing them out.

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Translation: Quit your bitching till you try them.

Response: No. Most of these aren't even mildly good with the most over-optimistic fantasies about best-case-scenario effects and durations.

So here's a question, SE: Who do abilities have to be on 2 hour timers anyway? I mean we have abilities that range from 15 seconds to 15 minutes, and then there are no abilities on a cooldown between 15 minutes and 2 hours. Can't you just add these new abilities on a 30 minute timer or something? Or let the cooldown actually vary based on the power of the ability. 30-60 minutes is enough to make these abilities feel special, and not something you just throw out whenever the ability has cooled down.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

And this makes me feel worse again! In the best case scenario, this will at least have a DEX/AGI modifier so it scales better with level than Eagle Eye Shot. In the worst case scenario, Eagle Eye Shot.

After saying it so many times, Eagle Eye Shot is haunting this topic. Rattling all 5.0 of its chains and moaning, "Thee~eeee chii~iiii~llld~'sss sss~ooo~uuu~llll iiis mii~ine! ONE OF US!" as it looks upon the birth of the saddest of the incoming two-hour abilities.

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It'll be hilarious if Auto Eye Shot actually deals good damage when used by an automaton ;D

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Originally Posted by Theytak

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WAR=Mighty Strikes
MNK=Hundred Fists, unless fighting something that can hundred fists right back
WHM=New
BLM=Manafont
RDM=Chainspell
THF=New, while crying
PLD=Invincible
DRK=New, unless it sucks, then it'll still be bloodweapon/souleater
BST=Familiar
BRD=Soul Voice
RNG=New?
SAM=Meikyo Shisui, unless fighting an Ironclad or some other TP-move melee attack monster, then either/or
NIN=New, unless they want a free warp later
DRG=Spirit Surge
SMN=Astral Flow (if PD is necessary), otherwise New
BLU=Azure Lore
COR=Wild Card(2-hour reset is the only thing I ever see COR used for in any event where 2-hours are needed...)
PUP=Neither, because they're both terrible and not worth using over having your 2hour on a different job
DNC=New
SCH=TABULA RASA!

This is my list of the 2-hours that will be used thanks to this choice. The rest will likely sit in the JA list, never to be used except on very very rare occasion or by people doing it to screw around.

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Fixed for accuracy

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mnk: disagree, HF is near useless in zerg situation (cap delay reduction without it), the new one adds some extra hit
sam:same, with embrava/tactical you WS as fast without MS (you don't get TP while MS)+no dmg taken from physical AOEs

I agree with all who say these "2-hour" abilities seem more like 10 - 20 minute abilities instead.

Honestly, I was expecting to see something that would stand out and make my jaw drop.

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Originally Posted by Tanama

I agree with all who say these "2-hour" abilities seem more like 10 - 20 minute abilities instead.

Honestly, I was expecting to see something that would stand out and make my jaw drop.

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After what we have seen with Astral Flow & Tabula Rasa thanks to the additions of Embrava, Kaustra, Alexander, and Odin, I think we all were, and we were all disappointed in some way as soon as we started to hear about these.