Aby npc in Heavens tower?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It's okay, Camate. Deep down we all know Shantotto is hogging the server resources for the other zones as part of her scheme for world domination.

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We do not speak of Shantotto's plans!! The Mistress may be watching..... >.>;

"... there were memory issues in Windurst Woods..."

Lemme guess. It's a PS2 issue.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Ps2 Limitations.

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I didn't want to say it.... I didn't want to say it.... >.<

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Server side scrip file limitations.

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Fixed. Likely got to long; lot of event data handled there in munchkin land.

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

Fixed. Likely got to long; lot of event data handled there in munchkin land.

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Not much goes on in windy walls event-wise. At least in comparison to the other nation zones that have the npcs there.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Not much goes on in windy walls event-wise. At least in comparison to the other nation zones that have the npcs there.

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Yup, rest of windy is loaded though. Like Camate just explained they tried everywhere else 1st. :(

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

Yup, rest of windy is loaded though. Like Camate just explained they tried everywhere else 1st. :(

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ya I read what she said :P

point still stands a lot of what they can't do is because they either a. can't because of the ps2, b. don't want to be bothered fixing it so blame it on the ps2.


just another reason to get rid of it imo.

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Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to comments about the placement of the Abyssea NPCs in Heaven’s Tower, Windurst, the development team is aware of what you are all pointing out. The development team tried placing them in each area of Windurst, however, there were memory issues in Windurst Woods, Windurst Waters, and Port Windurst which would not allow the ability to confirm Bastion conditions. Due to this, they placed the NPCs in Heaven’s Tower.

As pointed out, there is a difference in convenience when compared to San d’Oria and Bastok, and though it might take some time, we will be looking for other methods to solve this issue.

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Memory issues, eh? Wouldn't have guessed that, but it makes sense. Surely there must be some way around this though.. It's really not even just a matter of the location being as inconvenient as it is, the NPC's are in the Port of every other city.. For the simple sake of consistency, they should be in Windy Port too. (Either that, or move the others to the Metalworks, Chateau, and Ru'lude Gardens.)

Thanks though for the explanation, really do appreciate it.

Lol, actually..memory limits exist in offline and online games, no matter the platform.

Although it's kinda crappy...if this is the real reason and it woudl be so difficult to put it anywhere else..then just add a quest to allow us to zone out of the mog house right into heavens tower. When you zone into heavens tower you get warped in anyway so it's not that far fetched.

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Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to comments about the placement of the Abyssea NPCs in Heaven’s Tower, Windurst, the development team is aware of what you are all pointing out. The development team tried placing them in each area of Windurst, however, there were memory issues in Windurst Woods, Windurst Waters, and Port Windurst which would not allow the ability to confirm Bastion conditions. Due to this, they placed the NPCs in Heaven’s Tower.

As pointed out, there is a difference in convenience when compared to San d’Oria and Bastok, and though it might take some time, we will be looking for other methods to solve this issue.

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Kill off 20 or more NPCs in a more convenient zone... That'll solve the memory issue...

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Although it's kinda crappy...if this is the real reason and it woudl be so difficult to put it anywhere else..then just add a quest to allow us to zone out of the mog house right into heavens tower. When you zone into heavens tower you get warped in anyway so it's not that far fetched.

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I'll be the first to admit I never touch windy even if I had the ability to blow up it in a second, but is there a MH in heaven's tower? I haven't been there since...ever.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Although it's kinda crappy...if this is the real reason and it woudl be so difficult to put it anywhere else..then just add a quest to allow us to zone out of the mog house right into heavens tower. When you zone into heavens tower you get warped in anyway so it's not that far fetched.

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Honestly, would just settle for a warp Taru outside the Wall's house that zapped you straight into the Tower. This is the best solution in terms of consistency, since Windy already has Warp Taru's all over the place to help you get around.

25% movement speed in cities. Fixed. Also You could just toss a new teleporter Taru in Heavens Tower and change the other 4 to teleport players in sequence.

For Example:
Port warps to Woods
Woods warps to Walls
Walls warps to Heaven's Tower
Heaven's Tower warps to Waters
Waters warps to Port.

Can I work for you? :(

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'll be the first to admit I never touch windy even if I had the ability to blow up it in a second, but is there a MH in heaven's tower? I haven't been there since...ever.

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No there isn't, Heaven's Tower is the Metalworks and Chateau of Windurst. (Ru'Lude Gardens also falls in this category, but it's the sole exception wherein it actually has a moghouse.)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'll be the first to admit I never touch windy even if I had the ability to blow up it in a second, but is there a MH in heaven's tower? I haven't been there since...ever.

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Nope. it's completely out of the way and takes a lot of time to get there compared to the other locations.

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Honestly, would just settle for a warp Taru outside the Wall's house that zapped you straight into the Tower. This is the best solution in terms of consistency, since Windy already has Warp Taru's all over the place to help you get around.

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I agree, I would personally like a warp taroo to Heaven's tower.

I'll second the warp tarus, and to add to that, change the existing ones so you can simply select your destination of them being paired off. Thus, one could choose the one in the port and go to waters or woods instead of just walls. From there, add the tower to the list.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Although it's kinda crappy...if this is the real reason and it woudl be so difficult to put it anywhere else..then just add a quest to allow us to zone out of the mog house right into heavens tower. When you zone into heavens tower you get warped in anyway so it's not that far fetched.

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I think something along these lines could actually work.

In lieu of a Mog House exit into Heaven's Tower, SE could add one of those Teleport Wizard tarus near the Outpost NPC in Port Windurst or the Whitegate Warp NPC in Windurst Woods. I wouldn't mind using Teleport NPCs that warp players between Heaven's Tower and their location in Port Windurst/Windurst Woods.

Also, if you're still listening Camate, could you pass along a suggestion to the Dev Team to permit the 3 nation Abyssea NPCs (probably the Horst clones) to warp players to Horst in Port Jeuno?

If that can be made reality (along with a quick way to access the Abyssea NPCs in Heaven's Tower), I will gladly do my part in easing congestion in Port Jeuno by setting my Home Point in Windurst once again. :)

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

It's okay, Camate. Deep down we all know Shantotto is hogging the server resources for the other zones as part of her scheme for world domination.

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...Uh oh...they are on to us...

I'd think the Horst warp should have some kind of restriction to not totally antiquate the airships. I guess having Shinryu cleared then like 2500 cruor a pop should do it. Decent for emergencies, but not something you'd wanna rely on.

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Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to comments about the placement of the Abyssea NPCs in Heaven’s Tower, Windurst, the development team is aware of what you are all pointing out. The development team tried placing them in each area of Windurst, however, there were memory issues in Windurst Woods, Windurst Waters, and Port Windurst which would not allow the ability to confirm Bastion conditions. Due to this, they placed the NPCs in Heaven’s Tower.

As pointed out, there is a difference in convenience when compared to San d’Oria and Bastok, and though it might take some time, we will be looking for other methods to solve this issue.

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Disable the ability to confirm Bastion status. No body cares enough about checking Bastion status in Windurst to forsake location convenience.

If they were having these issues and they posted about it on the forums, I'm sure many good suggestions could of been made before the update. :/ Not that we know better, but things a designer can come up with may seem a good compromise when to the players it really isn't. The current situation is pointless and doesn't help players at all.

When we see stupid design choices and aren't told the reason for them everyone gets annoyed.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Why put the NPC's in Heavens tower?..

What's the point adding NPC's to starter cities to make it easier and put them so far out of the way? Put them right next to the OP NPC.

This means it's pretty much the same distance for me to goto port jeuno as Heavens tower, pointless.

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If I'm not entirely mistaken didnt they move the Outpost Warp NPCs because of this too a few years back? Doesn't make much sense to put the Abyssea NPCs there after moving the OP NPCs out.

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Originally Posted by Seriha

I'd think the Horst warp should have some kind of restriction to not totally antiquate the airships. I guess having Shinryu cleared then like 2500 cruor a pop should do it. Decent for emergencies, but not something you'd wanna rely on.

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The Airships are, for the most part, already obsolete. Depending on the Airship schedules, it's often faster to OP to Qufim Island and run to Jeuno, or, warp to Whitegate and pay the Warp Taru to send you to Ru'Lude Gardens.

I'm just hoping for a faster mode of transportation. Once the 'Lure of the Wildcat' NPCs offered a quick and cheap warp to Whitegate, I immediately set my Home Point in Windurst Woods. I'd love to do so again, but I need a method of travel to Port Jeuno that's comparable to the 'Lure of the Wildcat' NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Camate

...Uh oh...they are on to us...

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You totally deserve a Kupo Cookie for this~

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Originally Posted by Juxtaposition

Disable the ability to confirm Bastion status. No body cares enough about checking Bastion status in Windurst to forsake location convenience.

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I do care for bastion status updates just like I actually check campaign intel. Considering it's one over all system, I'm pretty sure they can't pick and choose which NPC suddenly omits which information, but maybe XI is designed differently.

Why wouldnt it be just as easy to put the NPC just outside the mog in Walls? Does Heavens Tower count as its own zone completely? If it cant be done then there is no way a warp taru to Heavens Tower would work either.
How about taking the synergy out of Walls and put the Abyssea NPC next to the mog instead? Most people in Windy go to Waters for their synergy work now. Alternatively the NPC could be put where the synergy is now in Waters and people could go to the Walls synergy set up. It is closer to the AH anyway which would be useful.

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Originally Posted by Krisan

You totally deserve a Kupo Cookie for this~

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Kupo cookies...are...made of...people... *dies*


The above is totally nonsense! Just kidding!


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Originally Posted by annewandering

Does Heavens Tower count as its own zone completely?

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Yes.
Haven't you ever noticed the zone loading before when you step on the teleporter?

its so simple delete 20 or so of those completly useless NPC's delete a tree or 2 and fix it..... na you know what dont bother. ill jsut stay in jueno lol.

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Originally Posted by annewandering

Why wouldnt it be just as easy to put the NPC just outside the mog in Walls? Does Heavens Tower count as its own zone completely?

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Originally Posted by Krisan

Yes.
Haven't you ever noticed the zone loading before when you step on the teleporter?

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Also even if it weren't memory problems in walls, there would still be the matter of difficulties from putting a dynamis entrance and abyssea NPC so close.

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Originally Posted by Sagian

"... there were memory issues in Windurst Woods..."

Lemme guess. It's a PS2 issue.

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That's exactly what it is, and everybody knows it.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

That's exactly what it is, and everybody knows it.

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Because the server checking bastion is all done on a ps2!

SE why you running the game servers on ps2's man? ;.;

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Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to comments about the placement of the Abyssea NPCs in Heaven’s Tower, Windurst, the development team is aware of what you are all pointing out. The development team tried placing them in each area of Windurst, however, there were memory issues in Windurst Woods, Windurst Waters, and Port Windurst which would not allow the ability to confirm Bastion conditions. Due to this, they placed the NPCs in Heaven’s Tower.

As pointed out, there is a difference in convenience when compared to San d’Oria and Bastok, and though it might take some time, we will be looking for other methods to solve this issue.

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Make one of Mog House exits lead directly into Heaven's Tower. Problem: solved.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Ps2 Limitations.

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Despite the fact that almost noone who played on a PS2 on release still plays on a PS2. I only knew 1 person who played on PS2, and it blew up, so he searched high and low and replaced his PS2 with another one... which blew up! Being unable to afford the 60GB PS3 (the only one that will play PS2 games) he had to settle for an 80GB one which was much cheaper. He spent 6 months waiting for ff14 release on PS3, and is now deciding to play ffxi on his laptop instead. Way to go PS2!!

I think I'll start a new thread to see if there are ANY PS2 players left XD

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Originally Posted by Seriha

I'd think the Horst warp should have some kind of restriction to not totally antiquate the airships. I guess having Shinryu cleared then like 2500 cruor a pop should do it. Decent for emergencies, but not something you'd wanna rely on.

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removes EZ mode from the game, we can't have that!

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

Despite the fact that almost noone who played on a PS2 on release still plays on a PS2. I only knew 1 person who played on PS2, and it blew up, so he searched high and low and replaced his PS2 with another one... which blew up! Being unable to afford the 60GB PS3 (the only one that will play PS2 games) he had to settle for an 80GB one which was much cheaper. He spent 6 months waiting for ff14 release on PS3, and is now deciding to play ffxi on his laptop instead. Way to go PS2!!

I think I'll start a new thread to see if there are ANY PS2 players left XD

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The JPs still use a ton of PS2s :(

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Originally Posted by Invader

The JPs still use a ton of PS2s :(

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Feel like a broken record here, but that's like 2006, and people just never realized that times have changed.

Most of them have pcs now.

Must we keep going on being off topic about ps2s? Eesh.

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I'd think the Horst warp should have some kind of restriction to not totally antiquate the airships.

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If you want to ride the airships, that's your choice, but no one wants to wait to go anywhere. Teleporting shouldn't be restricted just because you want people to use the airships. They should improve the airships instead by reducing the flight time and the waiting time.