Black Belt items [dev1009]

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Originally Posted by darkShirou

They never confirmed that BB items would continue to drop from KS99's either, which has not stopped SE in the past (several times at that) from going ahead and removing items from drop pools that follow similar progressions.

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0 reasonable expectation for it to be removed from ks99 unless its stated it will be, especially when they specifically stated the said item's adjusted rates on both nq and hq nms.

Is it possible, yes? Is it likely, no. again, 0 reasonable expectation.

I'd like to make some points that play to both sides who claim it's easy/hard to get the BB items.

A. I understand the frustrations on camping NQ/HQ kings, NQ has abysmal drop rates and HQ are usually overcamped and unsoloable.
B. Some servers still have HNM bot shells that religiously camp them like on Asura, and even then you have competition from other MNK's who may be equally or more skilled at claiming/soloing than you.
C. It CAN be hard to round up even close friends for 3 hour periods, especially when so many people have the "Whats in it for me" attitude.
D. KS99 while not difficult, are more difficult than the NQ/HQ Kings so they do require some effort.
F. Some folks just get lucky with drops, I lucked out and got my BB items in a week just out of random chance. I've got friends who have retired MNK until they do get their BB that they've been working on since 05.
G. KS99 has always had an abysmal drop rate like NQ Kings, and your usually limited on how many runs you can do in a period of time.

Every server has a different view, difficulties, and problems with the Kings. Maybe the Kings are always up on low population servers, maybe not. Maybe the Kings are still heavily camped on their sever, maybe not. People should'nt look at every server having the same situation as their own, which is why I think so many are at odds with each other on this issue.

Unless they're just trolls of course.

they took multiple ways of being able to obtain BB into about 1/3 of the way considering after u do get the pop u still don't have 100% drop anymore from the kings lol ... its what i call bend me over there... gee i hope i got a kiss after that...

In all honesty this will make the Black Belt easier to get in the long run. The only Belt that's an issue is the Brown Belt. Since people do summoner idling at the bottom of Ordelle's Caves to kill Morbolger.

Hell, I'm currently waiting down there myself, and I notice a Monk WITH A BROWN BELT camping it. He probably needs to do the quest so he can move on to the Black Belt quest, but I need the actual belt. I think Morbolger should be one they give a ??? pop to, or at least change it to a lottery spawn along the same lines as Nue and Deadly Dodo.

You can get those items from KSNM30s already if the NM is overcamped.

Really how fn hard is it to find 5-6 BLM to come do KS99. I did a shout KS99 about a month ago and well got like 7-9 ended run with 5-6 and still destroyed the turtle and wyrm. From those runs wyrm was like 25-30% drop rate, 40-50% for the turtle. You'd be surprise how many ppl are willing to come to sell their egg or just wanna come for speed belt. Lead follow or GTFO the way.

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Lead follow or GTFO the way.

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QFT

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I Don't wanna go through all the things i typed out, But I'll paraphrase.

get friends.

If you can get even 4 friends to help you, You can do the KSNM99 5 Times (you +4 of them).

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The question that comes to my mind is : why didn't your friends give you their KS99 yet, because the system is already in place or alternatively, and why didn't your friends already give you 3 millions to buy the drops from campers already.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The question that comes to my mind is : why didn't your friends give you their KS99 yet, because the system is already in place or alternatively, and why didn't your friends already give you 3 millions to buy the drops from campers already.

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Funny story. I already have, and one of my friends already did (spent my orbs helping people with their BBs, and a friend bought me a KB Tongue years ago).

So you agree that the friend argument is irrelevant. If you don't have it yet, either you are completely new or your friends didn't want to give you their orbs. As such they are unlikely to do so in the future. If anything you are losing the chance at some friends leaning you some money to buy off campers.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

So you agree that the friend argument is irrelevant. If you don't have it yet, either you are completely new or your friends didn't want to give you their orbs. As such they are unlikely to do so in the future. If anything you are losing the chance at some friends leaning you some money to buy off campers.

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Not entirely no. A friend of mine in game recently sent me a tell saying and i quote, "with this new update on the HNMs, would you be interested in doing those KSNM99s?"

I told him yes, We're not starting a sorta-Static for the KSNMs, the NMs are a different story.

Some of them want items from the HNMs, meaning they weren't doing KSNM99s before, and i never asked them too. because before this update there wasn't a lot to gain from it so i Didn't impose on them.

After this update theres a lot more to gain from the KSNM99s, so i don't feel as guilty asking them.

thats why.

I don't have said Item cause I don't enjoy Imposing on my friends when they wouldn't really gain anything. Its not that they wouldn't help, I just wouldn't ask. now with this theres a lot more reward in it for them, so i don't feel as guilty asking.

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

ITT: Friends don't help friends unless they benefit.

ITT : friends don't help and you for KS99 now but they will help you next week.

If your friends didn't help you with stuff pre update then you need to reevaluate who your friends are.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

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Not entirely true, KSNM 99 still holds a chance for Swift Belts, Strider Boots, and Kriegsbeil, and a few pieces of Abj. and gear are still useful from Kings, couple that with the update that says were supposed to be able to augment some endgame gear through synergy stands to give some reasonable gains. I won't hold my breath on that note though, because were not entirely sure of all the gear that will be upgradeable or if more will be to come.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

A lot more gain ? really ? What ? The only item are BB, the other are junk except defending ring which is too low droprate. to even care about if you plan to start from Kindred seals at least. Your firned will not have more interest now than after the VU.

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N.Legs are still great Armor, Some of them want Dalmatica just for having it, I know a few want Blood-Gear (I think thats mask from behemoth) for completion value (they own 4/5 Blood missing head). Originally the KSNM99s just offered a small shot at a BB Item, and a small shot at gil, then the trip ends there. I didn't want to impose on my friends, its not that they wouldn't help, its just that in asking them to help me for little to no gain i would feel bad. They would have helped me no benefit at all, They do it all the time (Hence: Helping me kill Glavoid fo Ukonvasara (We're helping each other build Empyreans :3)

Basically now though, We can do the KSNM for the small shot at gil/BB Item, and then we can kill the HNMs, some of them oddly like fighting those things, even if they don't need the drops. A few of them would like Ridills Just as toys, So I really shouldn't have said "Many more reason" as a universal thing, More towards specifically my friends.

But theres the thing, Friends never needed a reason to help, But a lot of people were probably like me. Didn't want to impose on them, but now theres a little more to gain, they might feel less bad about it.

I don't recall once saying this update will fix everyones problems everywhere though, I stand by my point. Friends make the game worth playing anyway. Would be a very sad sad empty meaningless game to me If i couldn't log on and see all those familiar names to talk too.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

If your friends didn't help you with stuff pre update then you need to reevaluate who your friends are.

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Which is what I said, please read. Karbuncle said himself there would more reasons to get your friends to do KS99, as opposed to today, to which I asked him why his friends didn't help him yet. Try to follow.

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Originally Posted by Swords

Not entirely true, KSNM 99 still holds a chance for Swift Belts, Strider Boots, and Kriegsbeil, and a few pieces of Abj. and gear are still useful from Kings, couple that with the update that says were supposed to be able to augment some endgame gear through synergy stands to give some reasonable gains. I won't hold my breath on that note though, because were not entirely sure of all the gear that will be upgradeable or if more will be to come.

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SE already annouced that they would suck ( The way they sait it is "not as good as AF3+2"). It fits synergy pretty well btw. I don't expect anything from this beside time sink for bullcrap reward. If you don't know what I mean check the evolith system.

Brew less, Pchan

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

N.Legs are still great Armor

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How likely is it to be obsolete soonish? This is assuming it's actually good, probably for fail jobs.

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, Some of them want Dalmatica just for having it,

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It sucks now, noone wants it. Having the "set" offers nothing, -50 HP etc.

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I know a few want Blood-Gear (I think thats mask from behemoth) for completion value (they own 4/5 Blood missing head).

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same as above except they already sucked at 75.

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I had to double check : nope. Speed belt ? Only useful to RDM and PLD. PLD is not a job. RDm can cap haste without it easily etc ¿Probably pld too.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

How likely is it to be obsolete soonish? This is assuming it's actually good, probably for fail jobs.

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About as likely as Black belt to be obsoleted.

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It sucks now, noone wants it. Having the "set" offers nothing, -50 HP etc.

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When did i said it didn't suck? hmmm oh right, never. I said they wanted it "For shits and giggles"

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same as above except they already sucked at 75.

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See above statement.

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I had to double check : nope. Speed belt ? Only useful to RDM and PLD. PLD is not a job. RDm can cap haste without it easily etc ¿Probably pld too.

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oh, yah you're right. No one buys Speed Belt anymore. and i could have sworn is aid "A shot at some gil" I don't recall claiming an exorbitant amount.

I know its hard to be anything less than a cynical ass when you've been banned or hated in every single FFXI forum in existence, But you should try. Unless of course you're just attempting to add this board as another feather in your cap.

I never said every item on the list they wanted was useful, Just because you can't find a reason to want something just to want it, rather it be town gear or not, does not mean as my friends they would like those things for fun.

OH, And not surprisingly, You seem to conveniently leave out this part, which would dispel your entire stupid break-down.

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Basically now though, We can do the KSNM for the small shot at gil/BB Item, and then we can kill the HNMs, some of them oddly like fighting those things, even if they don't need the drops. A few of them would like Ridills Just as toys, So I really shouldn't have said "Many more reason" as a universal thing, More towards specifically my friends.

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Oh look, I bolded the part where I said "My original statement could stand some revisions, here i'll correct it". Maybe you can actually read it this time.

In case you can't understand what that says. it says "Yah, Looking back I can see this won't give everyone a reason, I guess i was speaking more from personal experiience, I can see how my original statement wouldn't apply to everyone, thanks"

"i entirely agree with you that KS99 have mostly crap reward" would have been enough but as usual with you its hard to admit that you are wrong. And no black belt is unlikely to become obsolete because of the monk belt quests system : the next one, if any, will require bb or it won't exist.

I don't know which player is harder to deal with, Pchan or Feiwong. Probably the latter.

I will admit I was more than a little apprehensive about the new system for obtaining BB items. After some careful thought though, and after reading some of the more constructive posts, I am a bit more hopeful about finishing mine.

SE has confirmed that BB items will still drop from KS99's and/or a pop item for Land Kings. If I read correctly that means 2 chances at a BB item. One from the KS and if no BB item drops a pop item will which may or may not pop a HQ King. As yet, we don't know the adjusted drop rate from HQ's, nor do we know the frequency of HQ pops vs NQ. SE has also said pop items will be tradeable.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem farming KS, in Cape Teriggan my KS drop rate is probably 2-1 over BS. In lower xp areas, yes the drop rate is lower, but still not impossible to get. It takes almost no time to do a couple FoV pages a day even in the higher level areas, in fact a lot less time than is spent in Abyssea.

For those who complain that they have no KS or desire to farm them, the pop items are tradeable, meaning you can buy them. I have no doubt there will be price gouging by FFXI "entrepeneurs"...........(oh how nice it would be if we could make money like that in real life). :)

For those who say "I have no gil". As many have said, you can make gil from Abyssea cruor by selling the Aurore, Teal and Perle gear, and, there are still good items to farm in regular areas if you know where to go, that will net you some pretty nice gil. All it takes is a bit of time and effort.

Instead of standing around afk in Port Jeuno, your time could be better spent is what I am saying, just my opinion.

It is true that not many do KS99's anymore, and it is true that in general, people will only help if it benefits them in some way. KS99 reward items used to be quite valuable, no longer the case, but still better than nothing and no worse than potential drops from any other BCNM/KSNM/ISNM with a couple of noteable exceptions. Friends are the key here, don't be afraid to ask for help doing them, it might take a bit, but keep trying. You can do PUG's, not something I go for, but you might wind up with a good group.

Good luck to all the old school monks who have strived for their BB and resisted the urge to pay millions of gil to those "entrepeneurial" (sp) factions of FFXI. :)

I was thinking shorten the pop time for FAB is the way to go; now SE invented a solution which may have cause another... good lord...

stop beating this dead horse

Prior to hearing about this, I feared that getting those Black Belt items would be improbable at best. Now, I might actually be able to get those items now. Granted, I'm not too keen on the decrease in the drop rates for those items, but I do like that the NMs that drop them will be a bit easier to spawn soon. Guess I better rack up on Kindred Seals.

See Lord Choco has the right idea. Black belt never came from abyssea. Y'all need to stop whining to have it handed to you like everything in abyssea. It is not honestly that hard to get. I play MNK once a friggin year- and yes i suck at it- and i have one. If y'all spent less time whining and working for one you might get one.SE has just opened the flood gates for all the bandwagoners, stop crying and take advantage.

I think that my brain is going to explode...

At first I disagreed with the system, but now I actually like the direction with the system and the greater good out of it.

Most people couldn't get the black belt because there's always an HNM LS or two that's pretty much preventing them from getting it. This is the solution to that problem, if anything, this SHOULD have been done long ago.

This system is also win/win for everyone who has never participated in HNM camping for various reasons. It's always full of drama and people felt it wasn't worth it. It's the reason why Odin was an alternative to getting the abjuration gears for most people in the first place.

People will have two shot to get black belt items, the KS99 fight itself, and of course the king fight, not only that, but people, most likely friends, will also potentially benefit from this as well by getting the items they couldn't get before, notably Ridill and the Abjuration gears, and of course, everyone's favourite: D.Ring.

KS99 Shouldn't take more than a few friends (5 or 6) to do, since they are not capped. I agree the biggest problem is the fact that it still takes 99 KSes, but it's moot, and something people could work out for each other in the long run.

Other thing to keep in mind: Originally these HNMs were designed to be killed only once a day, and the kings only once a week. Now they can be damn near literally spammed. So if you look at it that way, you'd probably agree with the lowered drop rate.

Like I said, at first I disagreed with the system, but I did not look at the bigger picture here:

The HNM will no longer be fought only once a day, but can be literally spammed many, many times a day much like spamming NMs say, Byakko, and Kirin himself. In other words, Black belt and the abjurations are much easier to get than most people would think. If you ask me, this is a great trade off.

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SE has just opened the flood gates for all the bandwagoners, stop crying and take advantage.

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This ^. Salvage initially made monk popular job for it since it once contained the best of the best gear you could get in the game. Abyssea greatly made monk an even more popular job than ever. When I came back from taking a break, I'm completely astounded at the number of monk I came across. Monks are literally a dime a dozen now.

Of course, I didn't join the bandwagon for abyssea, I leveled monk back in 2008 for the LS I was in, just so I could do salvage, and not use my most demanded job: Thief >.> Sadly that backfired, but I digress.

I have a pretty good feeling that once the update come, the KS99 will be INCREDIBLY crowded, for the first few weeks, which is the main reason why I rushed to get black belt before the update, that and I wanted to try to get my black belt done the "old fashioned way" while I still could.

seems like little to no people are acknowledging that the NQ HNMs don't drop black belt items period now. and the HQ will only drop it 10% of the time. so it's almost like they completed deleted the earth HNMs as far as black belt is concerned.

Who ever said anything as ridiculous as 10%? Lower than 100% is lower than 100%. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Dohati

seems like little to no people are acknowledging that the NQ HNMs don't drop black belt items period now. and the HQ will only drop it 10% of the time. so it's almost like they completed deleted the earth HNMs as far as black belt is concerned.

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Falsifying statistics without even experiencing the change. This here is why we use our brains and not our intuitions before we say/type something. KS99 is an absolute joke with Lv90's. I really don't see the problem in this except the occasional crowding in Behemoth's Dominion for a Defending Ring.

lol its se we are talking about 10% does sound kind of high more like JEJ charm drop@ 1%

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

lol its se we are talking about 10% does sound kind of high more like JEJ charm drop@ 1%

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lol its not the same dev team that made JEJ.

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Originally Posted by ShadowHeart

lol its se we are talking about 10% does sound kind of high more like JEJ charm drop@ 1%

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To add on further, they decreased a 100% drop rate from a HQ NM. Why would they lower it so much from a 100% drop from the HQ and taking away the 5~10% drop (I forgot the real value) from the NQ's? From this reasoning, I can estimate the drop rate to be approximately 50~70%. If it's anywhere lower than that, it's because of how many people have KS99 Orbs, which if 6 people have orbs, that's 6 Fafnir to be had according to their update post. Way more influx of that NM than it used to be I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i cant wait for all the people to wipe to nid / KB and let me claim it. as a monk with black belt this update made me laugh so hard. its like kids begging SE for a cake and when the cake isnt the flavor they want they still complain.

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Couldn't agree more with this statement. If the belt drop % was still 100% on niddy I would be willing to say there be only 1% of people crying of this just because they want something to cry about. The fact that you pop Kings from KS99 is amazing beyond belief. I lived was in kings zones for ever years ago camping these and was proud when I became 3/3. I even feel tad more pride about having this item now that see how SE making it more manageable for others.

has anyone actually gotten a KING pop item yet? just did 5 ksnm 99s got 1 BB 5 pops for behemoth currently 0/4 on KB item dropping with th10 on all kills

KSNMs don't drop King pops. You get the Behemoth pops then kill Behemoth and he drops KB pops.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

KSNMs don't drop King pops. You get the Behemoth pops then kill Behemoth and he drops KB pops.

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yes i know we did 99 got the pop and went and did behemoth for the KB item 0/4 all with th 10 i just wanna know if anyones has managed to get the KB nid or aspid pop item off an NQ kill