If people didn't pay these people to play the game for them they wouldn't keep yelling for the services. You pay to play the game, but then you pay others to play the game for you. What kind of backwards logic is that? It's not like getting to 2100 JP is tough, you just need to spend some time in a party... and on a huge server you're in the best place to find people to get points with.
If you are sick and tired of the constant yell spam, move to a smaller server and enjoy a spam free /yell and get in to parties with actual players. Yeah, so there are less people here, but you won't have to endure what are clearly big server problems. Camps on this server are way easier to find as well.
Ugh. I've been saying this for YEARS but would usually get laughed at for suggesting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
THIS HAS TO END
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12-27-2020, 10:46 AMKylos
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12-28-2020, 08:11 PMDivinas
The day I left Asura is the day I made true friends again on this game lol. That server not worth being on.
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12-31-2020, 03:12 AMEth
A bit of a tangent.. it would greatly lessen the demand for CP merc services if more game content gave CP rewards, and mission lines that you can complete only once gave big CP rewards, to give new characters a leg up:
- 200 CP each for completing a starter city mission line, and for Zilart/CoP/TAU/WoG/Adoulin. This would get new characters to 1200 CP on their first job.
- CP for completing higher-tier battlefields, but only on VE/E (you wouldn't want to add value to merc services that sell higher difficulties). -
12-31-2020, 03:42 AMSirmarkiYou already get CP bonuses for completing the storylines. +10% overall for each and every city your complete mission wise, and also a % increased per WKR, and all kinds of other Reive via the RoE completion of each area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eth
You can also do monster rearing for 9% CP reward overall.
So with all these bonuses, you would gain CP a lot quicker.
Anyway, we have a ~triple CP event on right now, but it doesn't stop people buying JP's from the bots/mercs/whatever you want to call them. -
12-31-2020, 05:03 AMPixela
I think they are planning to make Abyssea 119, which will allow you to get CP there. sometime..
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12-31-2020, 08:30 PMDivinasewww don't give them disgusting ideasQuote:
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01-01-2021, 03:34 AMAlhanelem
Half the point of ilvls and job points was to make us feel powerful outside abyssea again lol.
Still.... we are STILL waiting on a way to +2/+3 empyrean armor... -
01-01-2021, 12:15 PMTeranikuAnd still no clue as to how (It's either going to be VW, Abyssea or maybe they'll Dynamis-D Valkurm / Buburimu / Qufm / Tavnazia)Quote:
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01-02-2021, 02:07 AMBobbinT
sadly, think Bahamut also got affected as well. Kinda surprise my returning during free login only saw those kind of shouts these days. ^^;
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01-10-2021, 03:11 AMMike
Asura is too much of a sh#t show to realistically play on for many players anymore.
When I decided to build the Empy shield, I had to leave Asura. I wasn't going to compete with Iron Plate mercs et al. who were using all sorts of cheats to out-pop me.
When I wanted to self farm dynamis currency from dreamland zones or Jeuno, I had to leave Asura. Asura has had too many 24/7 bots for many, many years. Reisenjima has had the same issue at many good camps.
As mentioned already, Dho Gates JP'ing solo or with friends is impossible on Asura due to the botters and their trash customers.
Also mentioned earlier, Nyzle Isle/Einherjar entry is almost impossible at times as well on Asura.
Ambuscade et al. after monthly update have such long wait lines on Asura that it's 95% standing around and 5% actually playing the game.
@Pixela, yes most of those JP botters are Chinese RMT. My wife is Chinese and chats with them every so often. -
01-10-2021, 06:31 AMBobbinT
how do u even chat in chinese anyways? not sure u can type chinese alphabet in FF11... :?
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01-11-2021, 05:41 AMDzspdrefNo, not "anyone can setup a yell bot" ... nor "anyone can have alts botting."Quote:
Originally Posted by Pixela
Only those people playing against the TOS using 3rd party outside software to run that bot can do it.
I use the vanilla in-game program only, and there is NO WAY for someone to make a 24/7 in-game yell bot with the ONLY LEGAL version of the game. -
01-11-2021, 09:10 AMAlhanelemActually, many keyboards can be made to press a key at periodic intervals right on the keyboard without even installing anything. So no, you don't really need third party tools to spam a chat macro. The gaming keyboards many of us have been using for years can do that. Are you going to brand people cheaters just for having modern gaming hardware?Quote:
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01-11-2021, 11:01 AMCatmatoJust because it's hardware rather than software doesn't mean it's not a 3rd party tool. Any kind of automation that you can't do with in-game macros is a third party tool.Quote:
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01-11-2021, 11:10 AMAlhanelemThen they'll have to ban me for owning a gaming keyboard. Which literally no other PC game in existence would consider cheating. Sounds fair. And that gaming mouse? OMG, i've got a super duper gameplay advantage over you with that!Quote:
Originally Posted by Catmato
This is ignoring the fact that if you have nothing better to do you can just press macros yourself. The method witch which people spurt inane chat macros doesn't change how annoying or not annoying they are. There is also no way for you to legitimately distinguish someone automatically spamming a macro and manually doing so other than irregularity in frequency. using /wait commands you can repeat the same thing three times with a single macro. So I guess you're telling me you're totally fine with chat spam as long as they're not using a keyboard or a program to do it? (The reality is, chat spam is against the rules whether you're automating it or not)
If you think the community shouldn't be able to come up with reasonable QOL improvements when SE won't or isn't able to, then man, I hope you never play WoW, where you're literally expected to have custom UIs to play. Most guilds won't even let you join them if you don't have one (or assume you're bad because you're not tracking your DPS).
You have to look at the spirit of the rule, not just the letter. I'm totally okay with people using UI mods and such. That doesn't mean I'm okay with cheating, like speed hacking or teleporting around the map. There is a clear difference between those things. Someone with less than great vision might use an external tool to make the HP bars bigger or a different color because SE never bothered to implement accessibility options for people with poor vision or color blindness. Are you going to report people for that? I'm curious for what your case is that those people are hurting your gameplay experience. Many people like these aren't looking for a gameplay advantage, they're looking to be able to play in spite of physical disabilities. -
01-11-2021, 02:31 PMCatmatoSarcasm aside, I'm not sure if you're just acting daft, but owning a keyboard with macro capabilities doesn't violate the ToS; using it to gain an advantage over other players, such as the previous example of infinitely spamming /yell, does.Quote:
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Alternatively, look at it this way. I have Cheat Engine installed on my PC. That doesn't violate SE's ToS because I'm not using it to modify FFXI or bypass its limits. You can have and use a g15 keyboard without violating the ToS until you use it, for example, to bypass the game's 6 line macro limit. Once you use the g15 to repeat functions or automate a macro, you're using a 3rd party tool and are violating the ToS.
The difference is that you actually have to be at the PC to press the macro to yell. If you're using a 3rd party tool, you can spam your macro 24/7, both annoying people who don't want to see it and giving you an unfair advantage over people who aren't cheating. If you aren't cheating, you have to be there to press the macro again, taking breaks as a real human would.Quote:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't WoW officially support add-ons? If so, that's a completely disingenuous comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I'm not reporting anyone for anything. I don't care if you need a schoolgirl outfit mod, a colorblind mod, an assistive controller, a script that yells at every opportunity, or scripts that change 90 pieces of gear for every action; it's none of my business. Don't put words in my mouth and don't try to turn a discussion about what is and isn't against the ToS into a personal attack on me.Quote:
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01-11-2021, 06:12 PMAlhanelemIf you think this never happens, well, it does happen. :p People manually use /yell and /shout macros all the time for recruitment or trying to buy/sell stuff. Multitasking is a thing. Press your chat marco, tab to web browser, tab back to game and press it again. Of course, 15+ years ago it wasn't possible. So at least they eventually let us window the game without tools.Quote:
The difference is that you actually have to be at the PC to press the macro to yell.
"officially support" in the sense that it's not a TOS violation. But their GMs nor tech support will help you if it breaks anything. Which it absolutely can.Quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't WoW officially support add-ons? If so, that's a completely disingenuous comparison.
I just really don't like the whole holier-than-thou vibe I got from your comments on this subject. Maybe that really isn't your intent, but that's how it came off to me. But at least you can draw a distinction from outright cheating (i.e. cheatengine) and quality-of-life / accessibility improvements. and I think SE looks at these things in context (and considers spirit and not just letter of the rule) as well.
FFXIV does this as well. The producer himself has gone on the record saying he doesn't have much of an issue with people using things like parsers or stat tracking for self improvement, even though it's *technically* against the TOS. They generally only take action if such tools are used to harass/harm others i.e. being toxic towards another player for putting out lower DPS than you'd like)
Originally, FFXIV was going to allow UI modding (and the built in UI is built with LUA script), but they ended up just investing their energy in continually improving and expanding the flexibility of the UI, which is vastly more customizable than WoW's built in UI.
This is something that the FFXI devs never handled very well, which is why UI mod tools exist. If they actually listened to the feedback back in the day (and/or actually implemented the New UI they started but never finished), most of the people who use those things probably wouldn't find them necessary.
But it's too late for that now. UI improvements would likely require too much dev time and would compromise the release of new content. I wish I could time warp back to when we had the test server, got more people to try it and convince SE se to have kept working on it.
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03-25-2021, 11:06 AMMikeMostly with pinyin.Quote:
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04-03-2021, 02:30 PMStompa
Although FFXI is a computer game, and relies on modern technology, it is still fundamentally a *game*, no different to classic ancient games such as chess or card games.
When a person agrees to play a game, they are accepting a challenge, and they are accepting the rules of the game.
If a person is not playing by the rules of a game, they are not actually playing the game at all, merely cheating.
FFXI has strict game rules, and this is one of the reasons why FFXI is a Classic Game.
Among FFXI's strict game rules, are rules against "third party software" and the buying / selling of in-game currency, Gil.
If a person is using *any* third party software, or buying / selling *any* Gil, that person is no longer playing the FFXI game by the game's strict rules, and imho they are no longer playing FFXI at all, but rather they are playing a desecrated and defiled and insulting parody of the magnificent game called FFXI.
When the FFXI Team does not have time or resources to Police the violations of game rules, specifically use of third party software, buying / selling Gil, etc. it must fall on players themselves to clean up the game, at least to the best possible extent.
If no players bought Gil, if no players used third party software, then those problems would not exist.
As an individual, you can contribute to cleaning up the game, by strictly playing by the game's rules. Don't use third party software, and don't buy Gil. Encourage other players, especially new players, to do the same.
By simply taking this stance, on an individual level, of playing the game by the actual rules of the game, you just made the world a better place.
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04-04-2021, 05:31 AMAlhanelemWhile I would agree with the notion that FFXI is "classic", it isn't classic by virtue of having rules.Quote:
FFXI has strict game rules, and this is one of the reasons why FFXI is a Classic Game.
Among FFXI's strict game rules, are rules against "third party software" and the buying / selling of in-game currency, Gil.
--Disclaimer, I know you were more focused on the RMT issue, but since you mentioned rules in a general sense, I feel like the content of this post still applies. --
Also, its important to remember that the spirit of the rule is generally more important than the letter. The spirit of the rules on third party tools and programs is that in a multiplayer environment, certain things that can potentially be done with outside intervention may give players an unfair advantage. Note that the word "may" is important there. I believe SE doesn't really want to keep people from playing the game purely because of the rules, and this is why they are unlikely to act on things like making UI elements easier to read, or other accessibility/QoL type improvements.
Inflexibly forcing the rules by letter only serves no one. When an apparent violation of a rule (any rule) is apparent, the proper course is to analyze the situation and determine if following the letter of the rule seems appropriate, or if no actual harm is being caused and the spirit of the rule is being adhered to.
In much fewer words, there's a difference between people *actually cheating* and people with good intentions trying to ensure a good experience for themselves and the others that my interact with them.
And in short: I don't feel that following the rules strictly to the letter makes the world a better place. The world and everything in it exists on a spectrum, not in black and white.
And I resent the implication that me using an overlay to make the HP bars bigger so I can see them clearly with my less than stellar vision, would be "cheating." This wouldn't so I can have an advantage, this would be just so I can play the game.
Note that FFXIV has a multitude of interface options and adjustments available so that this can be achieved without external tools. I find it highly unlikely that SE is going to punish something like this. Accessibility is important and something that the original FFXI team apparently never planned for.