Campaign Improvements: What it could and should be.

Thing is, the level ranges in the WotG zones greatly vary. Likr in Saru(S) you'll have level 11ish mobs near Windurst, while closer to Giddeus you'd find level 60+ Yagudo with things like Ochu and such somewhere in between. So sure, maybe you could have a "Level 10 Campaign" satellite in each of the past stater zones, but then you'd need a 20 in the next set, a 30 in another, and so on. The events I mentioned already have that distinction, and on top of that, they're triggered by the players. Depending on how similar this would be to the rest of Campaign, you could be looking at situations where the lowbies will be waiting around for a satellite post to be active to go about their way. Heavy congestion could, in turn, make these less rewarding for everyone.

Hmm, well, like I said, 30 would be the absolute minimum, and even then, they'd get destroyed by the mobs should they get attacked. These satellite battles would be tuned to 40~55. You know, the pain in the ass levels. Was true pre-abyssea, still true post-abyssea (unless you get leeched through them).

Anyway, I don't see why both couldn't be get upgrades. 10-40ish updates for garrison/expeditionary force and 40-55~ updates for campaign. 40ish battles taking place in gusta/ronfaure/saruta, then getting progessively harder in other places (no lower level battles in cities/strongholds including garliage/eldieme/crawler's).

As for congestion, that generally has to deal with upping the rate of campaign in general to be sparkable at any time.

Problem is, if you start removing zones from the pool for level 60+ players to pander to those lower, you are forcing them into a smaller pool that could translate to fewer overall battles that end more quickly if Campaign is active. Now, this might not be an issue if cumulative changes are built around this dynamic, but the further we deviate from the event in its current state, perhaps the less likely you'd see any change at all. Things like multiplying EXP/AN rewards, putting more loot in Union pools, or adding things you can buy with AN are the easier tweaks.

? I thought I said that the primary battle would still be the main tower defense point. That's where the bulk/stronger mobs will be. Never said anything about removing current towers for 60+, regardless of zone. The idea is other, albeit less-important, strategic points on the map in those areas, where weaker beastmen will attack. It is an addition only, nothing in it's current state would be lost.

Added information about what was just discussed to Part 4 of the Edits/Additions to the list.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...6561#post76561

For those interested.

Anyone else have some ideas? Alternative solutions are welcome. You do not have to read the entire thing. That is why I bolded individual points. If you wish to focus on a specific point (like exp), feel free. I'll mull over any suggestions that haven't been said already (yes, this is a bump, I want a dev/mod/rep to comment on this/get this qualified as a "hot topic").

While specific adjustments to Campaign weren’t listed on the 2011 FINAL FANTASY XI Roadmap, rest assured that we will continue to make changes and adjustments to the system going forward.

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I was expecting a more definitive response.

There wasn't any real info there, especially not regarding any of the ideas thought of in the thread.

/disappointed

Edit: The response also does not specify that even if it wasn't in the road map, whether it is planned to happen anytime soon. Which only leaves me wondering: when?

If it's too long down the road, that's extremely disappointing.

MORE INFORMATION SE lol

always so vague and with holding.... we know u don't like to share too much info before hand but those days should be in the past by now come to the present and be more informative on posts like this and others :s

a lot of us hate the lack of clarity or information.

Who cares? We don't need spoon fed updates daily people. Stop asking for too much too fast.

Asking for too much?

They didn't tell us anything. If too much = anything, I'm sorry?

too much too fast i only been playing going on 7 years XD yes that name fits ur posts troll patrol / mule much... lmao

SE has always been lacking transparency and information I was just stating that it would be nice to have early and more concise information about what is going to be coming.

I think telling us they have something planned gives us something to look forward too.

Look for the Update notes :D

They need to strip Caimpaign down to the bones and restructure it. All the various ways to gain exp and the caps on each of them do NOT encourage team work, nor any real drive to "win" a battle, it only encourages people to milk specific aspects and ignore the rest.
They need to allow skill ups, disallowing skill ups is just retarded.
There need to be significant benefits to successfully defending an area, benefits that increase depending on how quickly the enemies were defeated. Same for taking new areas.
I'm not that versed in Campaign to be honest, but its obvious that it needs to be restructured if SE wants to see any player interest in it ever again.

SE likes to be mysterious <.< >.> Rawr!

If they gave you all the information there would be very little to talk about, they do it on purpose and it's probably a good thing.

:/ They gave us no information, thus nothing more to talk about (other than the total lack of information). They didn't even comment on the ideas :/

Well the staff that work here are employed to basically just work with us they don't know anything about the development of the game aside from what they talk to them specifically about. Campaign isn't on the schedule to be worked on yet (if ever) so they can't really say that much I guess.

Dev team are like any job, they can only make good comments on whatever it is they are currently working on really.

I loved Campaign and would like to see it updated, skillups, never losing your medal, more xp, higher level mobs, far less chasing battles (going to a zone only for it to end) etc but when Campaign isn't on the list of updates I doubt it will happen or be seriously commented on anytime soon.

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Well the staff that work here are employed to basically just work with us they don't know anything about the development of the game aside from what they talk to them specifically about. Campaign isn't on the schedule to be worked on yet (if ever) so they can't really say that much I guess.

Dev team are like any job, they can only make good comments on whatever it is they are currently working on really.

I loved Campaign and would like to see it updated, skillups, never losing your medal, more xp, higher level mobs, far less chasing battles (going to a zone only for it to end) etc but when Campaign isn't on the list of updates I doubt it will happen or be seriously commented on anytime soon.

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This, shouldn't lose your medal, there's so much other stuff added to the game now that it's hardly feasible to spend the time needed to maintain your medal. Especially if you stand around a lot of the time waiting for it to start. The fact that you lose it turns me off to the idea of even doing campaign anymore, i just avoid the npc entirely so i dont lose more medals than i already have.

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...91/detail.html

c/p

Q: It seems to me Campaign hasn't been seeing much version update action lately, like a reliable if wrinkly veteran replaced by young blood on the battlefront. Are Campaign's glory days over, or are there still plans to breathe new life into the system?

A: We would like to reassure players that Campaign's leal service has not gone unnoticed, nor the fortitude born of experience that this grizzled veteran brings to the battlefield. Various adjustments are in the pipes for the trusty system, some of which are scheduled for the upcoming major version update. c/p

this was stated back in beginning of march so there are supposedly updates to be done this update for this unless they became sidetracked along the way with messing with BB drops etc lol

Sad that WOTG was such a disaster of an expansion. Campaign was one of the onlyl things good about that expansion along with the two jobs. Campaign is not near useless, which makes WOTG nothing.

The only way people will do Campaign again is if.... The max Exp achievable was like 10k for the end of every campaign battle rather then the 2-4k, if you could earn exp off of hitting walls, rather then the cheap 200 exp after 3 hours..... Seriously, that was a terrible idea. Now there is no incentive to claim areas. The last thing, allow us to skill up in campaign, this is the most important. Honestly, campaign would come back with a vengeance if we could skill up in it. Lets face it, anything else you will do with this system, will be mute in comparison to the points i just named. If you can make campaign give skill ups, you can have Abyssea be the means of exp, and Campaign the means for skill ups. Please think this through SE, I was a long time fan of Campaign, being a BLU where campaign was the only means to merit except solo'n. So I understand the system better then most adventurers, and I haven't done campaign in a while since Abyssea peaked, I would like to see these things implemented to bring back campaign!

God i wanna quote that for truth but too lazy to edit it all out so i'll say it again

for the love of all that is holy/evil (w/e floats your boat) Please remove the stupid Fortification Exp Nerf. Its no longer relevant.

PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO DO IT!

PLEASE!

I definitely agree that the experience nerf should be removed I find it boring to go a beastmen controlled area seeing npcs hitting walls and then later leave causing the battle to be over giving to me between 0-200 exp.

I know this maybe minor but could be possible to implement a siege weapon for players to use/build in offensive battles. The beastmen have a turret used to fire at fort. I find it very difficult to believe that the three nations are not able to build some weapon to attack forts or to keep the enemy troops at bay. Another minor thing I found is that the Campaign Op for npc training should be adjusted for 1 person instead of three. I don't think you need three ppl to train one person imo.

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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Couldn't you at least throw a piece of gear or two into the items obtainable from campaign at some level so that you MIGHT begin to revitalize campaign? Seriously, I feel cheated out of my money since the main sell of that expansion is completely dead right now.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Couldn't you at least throw a piece of gear or two into the items obtainable from campaign at some level so that you MIGHT begin to revitalize campaign? Seriously, I feel cheated out of my money since the main sell of that expansion is completely dead right now.

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Honestly, DNC and SCH merit the cost of WotG. They are some of the best subjobs in the game, for a variety of things. (They can be situational at times, but they're still kickass subs.)

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Honestly, DNC and SCH merit the cost of WotG. They are some of the best subjobs in the game, for a variety of things. (They can be situational at times, but they're still kickass subs.)

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that's a terrible reason to spend the extra money. I bought the expansion and others before that for storyline content and enjoyable new main jobs. these jobs all suck ass. DNC might be cool occasionally, just don't solo anything when I'm trying to kill the same NM in forced-pop situations. Stop wearing the pink crap and DD better.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Seriously, I feel cheated out of my money since the main sell of that expansion is completely dead right now.

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Did you just pick up the expansion, or did you buy it when it came out?

If you bought it when it came out, how much time did you spend getting xp in campaign?

Let's assume you spent around 50 hours getting xp in campaign. Most people I know spent way more time than that, but for the sake of the argument, let's assume 50 hours. When was the last time you got 50 hours of playtime out of a video game for $30 (again, assuming you bought the xpac when it was first released), and felt you were cheated?

These days it's not uncommon to buy a video game for a console for 40 or 50 dollars, and play it or 20 hours before you beat it and are done with it. You likely got a lot more time out of campaign (and/or the wotg missions) for your $30 (or less if you didn't buy it at release), so complaining that you feel cheated out of your money is just an empty argument.

Put things in perspective. You likely got your money's worth years ago for the money you spent on that xpac.

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Couldn't you at least throw a piece of gear or two into the items obtainable from campaign at some level so that you MIGHT begin to revitalize campaign? Seriously, I feel cheated out of my money since the main sell of that expansion is completely dead right now.

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Actually if you played a good deal, you got your money's worth. It's time to move on from that content and get better shinies. Or you can hope some of the WoTG content will be augmentable. Most items outside of the Rose Strap and Strum's Report were gimmick campaign only items anyways.

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Seriously, I feel cheated out of my money since the main sell of that expansion is completely dead right now.

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The main sell of any expansion is new jobs.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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ohoh we all had the idea SE didn't know what was really going on :p

For me, the main selling point of an expansion is the story line. I'm going through WoTG's now, and it kind of rocks. So far, I'm ranking it second behind CoP's. It probably helps a lot that I'm doing it all at once, mostly, rather than with months between segments.

Well it is true that the main selling point, that SE advertised, was indeed campaign. However, while I agree that campaign needs to be revamped to meet today's standards (which is obvious as I started the thread), there are still many other things in WotG such as the missions, jobs, quests, 3 new areas (though this is a poor amount), NMs (Sandworm, Ixion, etc.), and plenty of pieces of useful equipment. You may not personally view those as useful/worth the money but they are there nonetheless, and are a part of what you paid for.

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Originally Posted by PizzaTheHut

The main sell of any expansion is new jobs.

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Except ones like Chains of Promathia that didn't have any new jobs..? (and was the best xpac btw)

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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Some Campaign-related adjustments really need to be IN the upcoming version update.

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Originally Posted by Charismatic

Except ones like Chains of Promathia that didn't have any new jobs..? (and was the best xpac btw)

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I personally thought ToAU Was the best Expansion. In the end it offered the most Endgame Content, Some of the best systems (Assault, Nyzul, ZNM (minus stupid pictures)) and made Exp slightly more bearable.

CoP Offered an amazingly fun storyline and great memorable battles. but ToAU in the end brought the most "Content" to the game, Even if it was spread out. Einherjar, Salvage, Assaults, Nyzul, ZNM, etc.

So it being the best is more of an opinion (but on your side, So is"The main sell of any expansion is new jobs", cause thats opinion top)

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Originally Posted by Camate

I understand everyone's desire to hear more information on how Campaign will be adjusted, however, the development team is putting all of their time and energy into preparing for the upcoming version update. We'll be sure to provide you with any new information on Campaign-related adjustments as soon as we know more.

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Concentrate on getting what you're adding in a few days right, we'll deal with future updates as they become contemplated.

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Originally Posted by Sagian

Some Campaign-related adjustments really need to be IN the upcoming version update.

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i agree and hoping for more news about this upcoming update and campaign i love the battles and story
they mentioned before on the official website before their official forums and the disaster which may have placed things on hold that there was scheduled updates to campaign this upcoming update but no word since

http://www.playonline.com/pcd/topics...91/detail.html