You can't afford a PC that costs less than 300 dollars and you're running on 5-7 year hardware... you need to stop playing this game and save up. If you're that broke, that you can't come up with a couple hundred dolllars, you need to stop playing FFXI because if you're computer dies, and you can't afford to replace it, or your car has a failure, and you can't afford to replace the parts, then you're screwed. Just a tire blow out alone is 1/6 or so of the cost of getting a PC or netbook that can run FFXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Octaviane
I hope they drop PS2 support so that you can get your priorities in order. You apparently need the 150 dollars a year that your subscription costs, for more important things.
Drop PS2 support SE. If for no other reasons, than to give the people who can't afford to upgrade, the ability to eat something other than ramen once in a while. Cause apparently this game sucks up their reserve cash because they have no ability to save up.
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05-23-2011, 01:59 AMNephilipitou
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06-01-2011, 05:37 PMCrusader
Why not only release new data for people outside PS2?
Like if you didn't buy WoTG can't go to those areas, make new releases for Xbox and PC. That way the PS2 players that are happy playing old content can continue to do so, and players that which to go to the next level can?
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06-01-2011, 10:50 PMTeranikuThe problem with this is, the dev team has to keep track of 2 versions of the game, not one. Even though the code base for the PS2 version will remain relatively the same as long as they would maintain it, Any job addition updates, etc would have to be applied to both versions. This leads to even more time making sure any job updates, any new Battlefields (like Voidwatch) don't cause problems and would actually slow down the amount of updates / adjustments we would get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader
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06-02-2011, 04:57 PMDeception
remembers Phantasy Star Online :cool:
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06-04-2011, 09:52 PMLeaderofAtlantis
Here's a small, fairly simple thing to implement as far as a zone goes - there's a cave that utilized as the spawn spot for a ANNM in Batallia Downs [S], but does nothing in the present. Have the path blocked in the past by a guard or magic seal, but utilize it in the present as a short cut to a new section of Behemoth's Dominion where we might see regular Behemoth type creatures or just a shortcut to Qufim. The tunnel doesn't have to be overly complex but could be a great spot to put some new NMs or high level creatures for us.
There are doors that clearly have hallways behind them inside The Shrine of Ru'Avitau. Giving us a way to open them and go after some new stuff would be nice. Sure it's an old zone and things wouldn't be all that different looking, but perhaps a new path way with new challenges would give us a little bit of a new adventure.
I seem to recall that near the beginning of the NA launch, I heard they did a server wide event to trigger Outpost warps on that server. Maybe I misunderstood, but if so, why not have a server wide quest/mission where you work to gather supplies to support an effort to re-open the paths to Fort Karugo-Narugo, Grauberg, and Vunkerl Inlet in the present? Yeah it's a rehashing of old zones, but with no interaction with the outside world since the end of the Crystal War, these zones might be over run by really nasty new creatures.
Or they could finally open up the path way to the old Tavnazia. It's clearly over run by Wyverns and possibly Wyrms among other creatures. We can see it from the Blueblade Fell in Lufaise Meadows and these creatures, as big as the buildings, moving out there.
Having dimensional tears bringing nastier creatures into the areas we already have access to is fine and all, but there is still so much story that can be explored in this game, and even if we had to pay to gain access to these new zones, exploring that story would be well worth it I think. Why did the Orcs and Gigas leave their homes in the far north initially? Why are the Mithra so stand offish in their homeland? What of the Empire to the east of Aht Urhgan that once existed? Do remnants still exist? Do the Yagudo still flourish there?
The story is one of the major draws to this series and the stories in this game have been amazing. I hope those stories aren't over. -
06-05-2011, 01:35 AMPsxpert2011
I don't see what the big deal is. There are players out there with more than one account, and rumors say almost all Japanese still support the PS2. Now to keep things practical, why can there be reason for new zones. I have more than one character on my account and I use one for basic zones (which means I don't need to play on a PC but have one anyway).
There can be servers to support players with low-end graphic cards or PS2s but we need to expand for a ruling majority.
*I want to make a point also that areas, graphics doesn't make the game. Replay value is equal to gameplay, content and interface which is easy for players with half a brain of a chimpanzee.
** I think SE is setting us up for something big and down the FFXI road, bigger and tougher beast and hordes will be introduced to alliances to defeat and may exceed level 99. There might be devils in hell which have power lv. over 9000! So I do hope for new areas introducing us to new mob and new NMs (maybe fighting on the moon?). -
06-05-2011, 01:42 AMPsxpert2011If we keep pushing for new content, new areas, and better equipment, it'll become apparent what SE will focus on next. Use the suggestion box or how I like the Manga I read: "Medaka Box". =PQuote:
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10-08-2011, 03:06 AMAfin
Its a shame, i would've loved to have seen tavnazia S, imo the 1 city that was relevent to the wotg and sandy mission storyline
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11-07-2011, 07:10 AMDukeDudeston
I would love to see brand new zones in the game, but I don't think the reason why its not top of list, isn't because of the PS2 limitations. I think its got more to do with the actual development of the zones.
The game has got big, the story line has been writen with the most care, adding new zones isn't as simple as the actual development of the zones, they have to write a story line to go with them, why have these zones just been made available, why would you want to go to them?
Its that, thats the reason why its easier just to recycle what they already have. its easier just to come up with a "Past" or "Alternate Reality" version of the same zones, then it is to create whole new ones.
Again I don't think it has anything to do with PS2 limitation "HDD space issue" I heard that the PS2 limits each game to 10GB to help with space allocation, but I am sure there is probably a way to "trick" the PS2 in thinking a new expansion pack or something is a stand-alone game, there is always a work around I am sure.
EDIT: just found this on another post while looking around the forum
Well... nuff said really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
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11-08-2011, 08:42 PMKristalGames cannot use resources from other partitions, so a new partition would require you to shut down FFXI and POL to switch to the other 'game'.Quote:
Originally Posted by DukeDudeston
The biggest issues with new zones are
1. PS2 HD partition size, which can be addressed by smarter use of resources. Augments are an example of this, or a culling of a large number of rarely/unused resources. Most of sub-75 gear comes to mind.
2. Zone ID limitation. We are approaching 256 (1 byte) zones. This might be a big issue (1 byte reserved), or a non-issue (2 bytes reserved).
3. Development time. Refurbishing existing zones (WotG, Abyssea) takes less time and effort then building new ones from scratch, but it still isn't free. Apollyon, Walk of Echoes and that new crystalline zone they announced are all pretty barren places, a few plots of walkable area surrounded by nothingness. Those are a lot easier to make then a fully fleshed out zone like we saw in Treasures of Aht Urhgan. (And that's just the zone. There need to be mobs, npcs, quests, etc.) -
11-08-2011, 08:53 PMRetsujoYou're pretty ignorant if you don't know how many people in this world actually only scrape by in life without the ability to afford anything, or have anyone in their lives to help support them when times get tough. I don't mean to derail this thread, but holy crap you need to open your damn eyes and realize that some people just can't afford to do anything. At least s/he's spending $15/month on a video game, and not $200/month on crack or some other type of drug.Quote:
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11-12-2011, 09:13 PMsaevelNot how that works. The server is the same for whatever client your running on, thus they only need to maintain one set of code. Server is also by far the most complicated part, its a set of massive databases that process hundreds of thousands of transactions per second. Clients just maintain a set of local resources and display them based on what the server tells them. All calculations happen on the server, only thing that happens locally is movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teraniku
SE is currently maintaining three different client code bases, PS2 / XBOX and x86 code are not interchangeable. The closest are the 360 and PC's code bases as MS has tools to try to make 360 code semi-x86 compliant. The code is only game engine specific, it has nothing to do with the models / zones / textures / animations / special effects or other "data".
The only thing keeping the devs from adding more zones or adding additional features is their desire to keep the "play experience" the same across all three platforms. Thus if they want to add a feature to the PC client they also want to add the same feature to the PS2 / 360 client, and if the PS2 is making that feature difficult to add then their reluctant to add it. Heck only recently did they move to add additional fonts / icons to the PC world.
Also when they talk about "PS2 space limitations" their not talking HDD, their talking system memory. PS2 has 32MB of RDRAM (4Mb eDRAM for video unit) which the entire game client and all loaded data needs to fit inside. That is an incredibly small space to fit something the scale of a MMO. -
11-13-2011, 07:20 PMJuri_LiciousThe community shouldn't have to suffer due to people who can barely afford to pay their bills and keep up with time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retsujo
It's not our fault they can't. Our priorities shouldn't be limited by theirs. -
11-19-2011, 08:23 AMRetsujo
How are your priorities, or the community as a whole, suffering because some people don't have the means to upgrade their systems? Square-Enix is aware of the hindrances FFXI is having on the modern world, and have openly been showing things they've been trying to do to improve upon that and keep the game afloat. Continuing to support older hardware is their own decision, and I'm sure that's based on a good chunk of the player base.
You may not give a shit about the middle and lower classes, but Square-Enix is trying to be the most fair to everyone, and I think they're doing a pretty good job of it. If it bothers you and Neph so much, maybe you two should stop playing FFXI and find a game that better suits your higher standards. -
12-15-2011, 01:46 PMgeekgirl101
It's not all about people not being able to afford a proper PC etc, there's a lot of players with PS2 accounts who would have to terminate their PS2 accounts in order to get a PC or Xbox version and start all over again with a brand new account or shell out for an account transfer. For a lot of people this is perhaps too much hassle and expensive if they have multiple mules. It would be nice if SE could do away with PS2 support and tailor the game for PC and Xbox players, but that can't and never will happen unless they come up with a means to provide a free download or CD for people who want to ditch the PS2 and free transfer of all their characters from PS2 to whatever model they'll be using instead. I doubt SE would be up for doing something like that, so the game will continue to suffer and players will either have to suck it up or go play something else. It's been nearly a decade now, the game has reached its limits with level 99. There's nothing more SE can add after this.
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12-15-2011, 04:01 PMArconThere are no "PS2 accounts" and "PC accounts". Every account can be played on every platform. There is nothing to transfer. This isn't an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by geekgirl101
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12-16-2011, 12:05 AMNephilipitouIf I remember right the last poll that came out about how many people play on PS2... is not a good chunk of the player base. At least not compared to the amount of people who are getting fed up with, have gotten fed up with, or have left because they want new story content. The PS2, and the 360 versions have way more issues and lock ups than the PC versions. Plus you can use controllers on the PC version.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retsujo
I'm more concerned about this game dying off just because it continually grows stale. Some of the new UI enhancements are great, I like them. Being able to fully expand the chat log to look for weakness' that have been triggered, while being able to see what's going on with the combat is a massive improvement.
This whole argument though shouldn't have anything to do with poor people. I'm one of them. My whole argument is that if someone can't afford to get a 200 something dollar netbook, then they shouldn't paying 150+ a year for an MMO just so they can run it poorly on a PS2 in lowest quality because if their car gets a flat tire, or their starter goes out, they're going to need money to fix it, and they are going to be screwed if they can't save up, and it's quite obvious they can't save up any money if they can't afford to get a 200 dollar computer. My Netbook cost me 200 dollars. I've seen some on clearance lately for 180. ANY PC in stores right now shouldnt' have an issue running the game. There's no excuse. They are bad with their money, therefor they should stop playing this game and start saving up money for emergencies and I'm not backing down from that position. I don't understand how you can have an alternative position. They're going to need more than a PS2 eventually. I'm not cold, or heartless, I'm being realistic. Learn to manage money better if you can't pay 200 or less. Get a used PC for crying out loud for like 100 or something. This game is NOT expensive to run. -
12-17-2011, 09:43 AMShadowshear
Interesting concept I play the same account on my PS2 as my PC and XBox ther is no need to transfer anything just access the account number of one system by the other.
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12-19-2011, 09:14 PMEffilil
after reading much of this thread, I think a few points can be made
1) the introduction of new zones/battlefields/areas would indeed take up more HDD space on the users part. there are actually several ways to solve this, the first being drop ps2 support as suggested, the 2nd that comes to mind is what SE has done in reskinning old areas, and the 3rd that I can think of is to find a new data compression method for the older hardware
to keep everyone happy, the 3rd method would be best, but it would also still take a while to create and implement. if they chose to do it
2) unless you are single, don't have any other vices, live in your parents house, have no children, don't own a car, and don't have any other bills whatsoever, you have priorities other than upgrading gaming equipment, including, but not limited to, insurance, rent or mortgage payments, health and dental needs (though I question why those are separated by the medical community), food, clothes, college funds for the kids, utilities, and other bills....$12.99 a month for a game to relax and enjoy isn't a lot...and giving it up for a year to upgrade to a cheap computer? what if the game is gone by then?
3) for each update, SE has to keep track of not 1, but 3 types of code...PS2, PC and x-box..yes the OS is similar between PC and X-box, but it is different in many fundamental ways...after all, you can't play a pc game on x-box, and I've never gotten an x-box game to work on my pc (an emulator is a program to simulate the game system and in this example, would be cheating) each system has to have it's own update package ready at the time of the update, and while SE has streamlined this process, it still requires much work -
12-20-2011, 06:37 PMConcerned4FFxiStories have been replaced by magian trial bs, see adventuring fellow cap 71-95 and our limit breaks 76-95, another horrible disappointment.Quote:
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