Can we have Bahamut as a Summon PLEASE?

I wonder if put use Bahamut summon on Empyrean Paradox (A) how see fight been battle Bahamut vs Shinryu lol

I'm not sure if it's explained about what happened to Bahamut in Abyssea cause I was speeding through the CS. I think he absorbed him along with the rest?

Most of the Celestial avatars don't care much for the races either, as in their text they treat the races as little more than entertainment. Alexander and Odin definitely don't care for the races and if they get killed during their fight, no big deal to them.

I personally blame Odin for a bunch of stuff in game...

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Originally Posted by Kristal

None of the avatars wants the sentient races removed from Vana'diel. Most of them aren't even awake.

Bahamut is a physical being, and the wyrm king wouldn't cater to the whims of mortals, even if they proved themselves capable of stopping Promathia. If we were no longer able to defy Bahamut and contain Promathia, Bahamut would wipe out all mortals on Vana'diel to stop Promathia from gaining more power.

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Bahamut: You have delayed mankind's extinction yet again...

Bahamut: An age is a mere flicker to a wyrm. However, enough flickers united form a star.

Bahamut: Children of Vana'diel. Unite and form a future in which mankind can survive.

Esha'ntarl: I have a feeling that he was waiting for you, desiring a confrontation.

Esha'ntarl: Bahamut pays respect to the strong, regardless of stature. It is for that reason he is called the Wyrmking.

Esha'ntarl: You must gather an army of adventurers and challenge him yet again. Show him the strength of mankind!


I think it's well within the lore for us to be able to convince him to lend us his power. He could also see his avatar(s) as a way to keep an eye on us.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

He is and I would gladly accept him no question, but eh after all we SMNs have endured we deserve to be able to summon down the teary-eyed fury of Altana as well!

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I like this camiie person :)

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Bahamut: You have delayed mankind's extinction yet again...

Bahamut: An age is a mere flicker to a wyrm. However, enough flickers united form a star.

Bahamut: Children of Vana'diel. Unite and form a future in which mankind can survive.

Esha'ntarl: I have a feeling that he was waiting for you, desiring a confrontation.

Esha'ntarl: Bahamut pays respect to the strong, regardless of stature. It is for that reason he is called the Wyrmking.

Esha'ntarl: You must gather an army of adventurers and challenge him yet again. Show him the strength of mankind!


I think it's well within the lore for us to be able to convince him to lend us his power. He could also see his avatar(s) as a way to keep an eye on us.

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Keep in mind that is after we showed him that united we can defy the will of the wyrmking, and even that of a god. Before that, he considered us pests that endangered the existence of Vana'diel itself.
If the need arises, Bahamut could lend us his power.. but he would come in person, or sent his underlings. Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

If the need arises, Bahamut could lend us his power.. but he would come in person, or sent his underlings. Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

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Not that I think we should be able to summon him, but Bahamut is no different than fenrir and carby right? If they can be summoned, than so can Bahamut I would imagine.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Bahamut is not a celestial/astral being that can manifest part of his essence to Gigaflare some pathetic bugs in Abyssea.

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He's a Terrestrial like Carbuncle, Fenrir, Diabolos, and Phoenix. Phoenix obviously can't do much right now, but Carby, Fenrir, and Diabolos obviously have the ability you describe. It's not unreasonable to expect Bahamut to be able to do it as well.

Bottom line: There really is no reason we can't have Bahamut other than SE's desire for us not to.

When you think about it though from the story aspect, just cause we kick his butt doesn't mean he's going to yield. I can understand wanting to summoning him, it'll be cool and all but... it's STILL an FF game. I wouldn't want to break lore just for the sake of having.

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but Bahamut is no different than fenrir and carby right?

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Technically yes. But you have to look at it this way. Carbuncle willingly lends his power. So did Fenrir (Both willing and forced). Diabolos was reluctant to do so. Pheonix is... well...

From the story aspect, it's in Bahamut's right to give us the finger and continuing to do so.

I'm still at odds about being able to have Odin without being corrupted by the power like others have in the story, nevermind the fact that he's rather useless.

Break what lore? Bahamut usually is on your side as a summon when he appears. Or should have been on your side in the case of IX...

Meant XI lore. Not FFXI as a whole. If jobs followed the guidelines of previous games, there'd be a lot less crying about melee RDM or WHM out curing other jobs and other stuff.... like having phoenix downs.

There is nothing in the lore of XI preventing Bahamut from granting us a portion of his power and becoming a summon. SE simply said they had issues with his model, nothing more.

Nothing in this game is written in stone that can't be re~written. Baha has always been one of the most popular summons of all the FF games. The fact that you can't summon him is XI so far is kind of a let down.

I don't see why Bahamut can't act like a "Unbridled Learning" type of spell.

Activate JA on a medium to long recast timer, allow a spell similar to how Odin or Alexander work.

That's probably how Odin should work anyway, he's a waste of AF.

I don't want him to be, but you know he'll end up as a 2hr only smn hitting the mob with Mega Flare and leaving. He has to be nonelemental though.

I do know that if they did add Bahamut in this game it would get a lot of Final Fantasy fans who haven't played FFXI interesting in trying it.

Every time I tell someone about the Summoner job to people who don't play FFXI, they always ask "Can you summon Bahamut" and are always disappointed by my answer.

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Originally Posted by Vold

The thing with size is that they'd need to basically rework his model for it to work. It really is not as simple as resizing in Bahamut's case. I mean, darn, it could be but really, how cool will you feel when microbahamut shows up to handle the case?

Personally, I say let's do Bahamut, but make him into a 2 hour summon to keep it simple. You wouldn't need to nerf his size or anything. Have him show up, megaflare something's ass off, and flap away back to where ever. And of course the be all end all of BC fights to obtain him. I'm talking Diabolos epic, where there's armies of players trying to beat him but pop out dead as a doorbell one after the other. V3, and this time he's madder than hell and he won't take it any lon-oh crap red proc nevermind he's dead.

Poor Shinryu. Coulda shoulda woulda been #1 if not for those pesky buffs and temps.

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The problem with this is that anything that's even remotely difficult or even interesting for the top 1% of players will never, EVER, in a zillion years be completed by the other 99%. The difference in ability between players in this game is astronomical.

That's pretty much the problem with everything in FFXI right now. Either they make it legitimately challenging for high-end players and thus completely inaccessible to the vast majority of players, they make it easy/doable for the vast majority of players and thus an Abyssea yawnfest for mid/high-end players, or they make everything random as all P'tak like they did with Voidwatch.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

He's a Terrestrial like Carbuncle, Fenrir, Diabolos, and Phoenix. Phoenix obviously can't do much right now, but Carby, Fenrir, and Diabolos obviously have the ability you describe. It's not unreasonable to expect Bahamut to be able to do it as well.

Bottom line: There really is no reason we can't have Bahamut other than SE's desire for us not to.

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I totally agree.

But i have a question for everyone... Isn't the pheonix still alive in WotG/Past, or shouldnt she be?
If so... couldn't we have get a quest to meet with her. I mean we can summon avatars we made pacts with in present time in the past, so why isn't the opposite true. We make a pact in the past that we can summon in the present.

Second question... couldn't we meet an alternate version of Bahamut in abyssea. One who would be willing to lend us his power. Since it is an alternate reality.

Anyone?

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Originally Posted by Divinechild

I totally agree.

But i have a question for everyone... Isn't the pheonix still alive in WotG/Past, or shouldnt she be?
If so... couldn't we have get a quest to meet with her. I mean we can summon avatars we made pacts with in present time in the past, so why isn't the opposite true. We make a pact in the past that we can summon in the present.

Second question... couldn't we meet an alternate version of Bahamut in abyssea. One who would be willing to lend us his power. Since it is an alternate reality.

Anyone?

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As far as Phoenix is concerned. If they decided to implement him / her, shouldn't be too hard to make a quest where you gather up Phoenix's scattered essence then take that to the top of Parradamo Tor to the cradle of rebirth. Then get warped to classic SMN Avatar Fight and win, get granted the ability to summon Phoenix.

Bahamut is tricky. 2 hour ability or huge mp cost to manifest, or average mp cost and huge Spell / ability mp cost. Then you have to decide whether he should be outside only considering how huge he is. I'd like to see him be able to be summoned by players in game, but there's a lot of balancing etc that needs to be done.

I may have another reason why se doesn't want to release bahamut and the pheonix.
It's a pattern, Besides the six celestial avatars (fire,wind,water,ice,thunder,earth) se hasn't released any new avatars other than light and dark types.
carbuncle- light
fenrir-dark
diablos-dark
Alexander-light
Odin-dark
and soon...
Cait Sith-light
Atomos-dark.
I think going by this history pattern, this is one of their main reasons for not releasing bahamut or pheonix other than those other people have mentioned. Bahamut if released would either have to be a non-element type or fire type and pheonix would have to be a fire type. Food for thought?

bahamut as summon? honestly, it would make me begin playing smn as main job, but

I feel its a stupid idea ... in ffxi at least. FFXI the wyrm king, one o fthe mightiest entities in this game, a small shrimp, not even born during the war of the crystals, much less in the day of the beginnings and the pact. why should he come to the call of a little mithra. I dont think he is on good terms with taru, considering they enslaved fenrir.

I think I'd be to scared to dare to call upon him. He might kill everything in sight, including players npcs and mobs.

And btw.: Bahamut was always non elementalsas far as I remeber

for Phoenix, isnt it bound it tenzens sword? so for that to happen we need a new major add on, with tenzens homecountry and maybe phoenix goin crazy

When has bahamut not been a powerful summon who helps you for whatever reason...

have you even started to play Chains of Promathia?

Finished it, still not seeing what being the Wyrmking has to do with him not being a summon. He's a terrestrial avatar no different than Carbuncle and Fenrir, he just happens to be the strongest one (bar pheonix who is recuperating in Tenzen's sword).

All 6 Celestial Avatars, Odin, and Alexander are all more powerful than Bahamut (at the very least, the Celestials believe themselves to be Alexander and Odin most definitely are), and all of them are summonable.

Considering the Celestials all, quite literally, Want To Destroy The World, and we can control them, I'm pretty sure a Terrestrial like Bahamut won't be a problem.

I vote for Knights of the Round. Would obviously have to be a 2 hour, can't have 13 avatars running around on one smner, and it should be such a spectacular visual effect that it causes a cutscene that everyone sees and the server crashes everytime. No but seriously the new 2 hour for smn should really be an awesome display of power of some sort and would love to see bahamut as avatar. I think a way they could tweak the current smn 2hr is to make it multihit, or cause a large dot on the targets it hits, i.e ifrit causes large burn dot (and i am not talking 10hp a click.) or a huge elemental resist down effect, like 50-75% of the mobs ele resist. Not sure if anyone ever had these ideas I dont get on smn forums much.

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Originally Posted by Divinechild

I may have another reason why se doesn't want to release bahamut and the pheonix.
It's a pattern, Besides the six celestial avatars (fire,wind,water,ice,thunder,earth) se hasn't released any new avatars other than light and dark types.
carbuncle- light
fenrir-dark
diablos-dark
Alexander-light
Odin-dark
and soon...
Cait Sith-light
Atomos-dark.
I think going by this history pattern, this is one of their main reasons for not releasing bahamut or pheonix other than those other people have mentioned. Bahamut if released would either have to be a non-element type or fire type and pheonix would have to be a fire type. Food for thought?

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Bahamut's been nonelemental in most other games.

We can summon Phoenix if we're able to summon Tenzen.

Hey how about we have Tenzen as our summon? XD








Picturing Tenzen being summoned in french maid outfit.

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Originally Posted by Sonshou

Hey how about we have Tenzen as our summon? XD

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I would hurl him at stuff just so he will die over and over again.