So are they banning people on the brew holds?

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Originally Posted by Starcade

As I've said for about two years -- it's a question of standing.

I've certainly considered looking in to various avenues to legally challenge Square-Enix' deliberate abrogation of their own rules vis-a-vis Windower and a ton of other stuff.

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You're just a pretentious poser, as GreatGuardian said, do it or shut up. You don't really want to do anything, you just like sitting in front of your computer playing the self righteous martyr.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

That's fraud. If Square-Enix knows this kind of stuff goes on against their rules and deliberately goes the other way, it is committing fraud.

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The hell? They are not obligated to enforce their rules.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

You're just a pretentious poser, as GreatGuardian said, do it or shut up. You don't really want to do anything, you just like sitting in front of your computer playing the self righteous martyr.

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I don't really want to do anything??

Straight up, go screw yourself.

Put me on your ignore list, /blist me if you're on my server, and straight up go screw yourself.

Attitudes like yours are killing this game.

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Originally Posted by rog

The hell? They are not obligated to enforce their rules.

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THE HELL????

Ummmm, do you not think that the only reason I'd pay $12.95/mo is that they be required to enforce rules violations when they are continually made aware of them?

Otherwise, their expectations of fair play constitute fraud against the cheaters.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

THE HELL????

Ummmm, do you not think that the only reason I'd pay $12.95/mo is that they be required to enforce rules violations when they are continually made aware of them?

Otherwise, their expectations of fair play constitute fraud against the cheaters.

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I do not think you know what fraud is.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

I don't really want to do anything??

Straight up, go screw yourself.

Put me on your ignore list, /blist me if you're on my server, and straight up go screw yourself.

Attitudes like yours are killing this game.

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You don't know anything about me, how can you say that my attitude is killing this game. I'm not the person who's is trying to mount some kind a lone man crusade against everything that I perceive as wrong with a game. You've said it yourself that you play this game not for enjoyment or fun but to be a thorn in the side of all the people who are playing this game to have fun. You can't see that your actions are doing your cause irreparable harm. Most of the people who might agree with you are reluctant to do so because you're such a douchebag.

Starcade = Riousan/Feiwong? Has to be.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Starcade = Riousan/Feiwong? Has to be.

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Naw, he's a Galka on Leviathan. He's had the same name for years.

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Originally Posted by rog

I do not think you know what fraud is.

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From Cornell Law through the Market Ticker, the definition of fraud I like to quote when I have people say what you just said:

"Fraud is generally defined in the law as an intentional misrepresentation of material existing fact made by one person to another with knowledge of its falsity and for the purpose of inducing the other person to act, and upon which the other person relies with resulting injury or damage. Fraud may also be made by an omission or purposeful failure to state material facts, which nondisclosure makes other statements misleading."

If Square-Enix is going to make rules and then not enforce them at all, they are knowingly misrepresenting those as Terms of Service, and inducing us to act to believe the game to be fair and the rules enforced.

If those rules are only enforced "when they feel like it", then the fraud could be expanded to those who were enforced against (which see the Salvage bans).

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Starcade = Riousan/Feiwong? Has to be.

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Not the first time I've been accused of being that utter piece of crap.

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Originally Posted by Pharaun

You don't know anything about me, how can you say that my attitude is killing this game. I'm not the person who's is trying to mount some kind a lone man crusade against everything that I perceive as wrong with a game. You've said it yourself that you play this game not for enjoyment or fun but to be a thorn in the side of all the people who are playing this game to have fun. You can't see that your actions are doing your cause irreparable harm. Most of the people who might agree with you are reluctant to do so because you're such a douchebag.

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Dammit, maybe somebody NEEDS to mount that freaking crusade, don't you think???

Oh, I'm sorry I'm not a cheater or an enabler like you.

Your own words show the attitude you have toward cheating and the like -- so don't give me that baloney, because I'm not listening to it.

When most players' idea of "having fun" is to deny the enjoyment of the game to all but themselves and their friends, frankly, I don't give a flying rats patoot about their "having fun" when it involves thousand-dollar bots, RMT, poshacking, Windower, and all else they feel is necessary to have fun.

The only reason I still play this game is to spit at attitudes like yours.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Not the first time I've been accused of being that utter piece of crap.

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Probably because you both seem to share the same kind of self-righteous attitude.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Probably because you both seem to share the same kind of self-righteous attitude.

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Except he's a lying sack of crap.

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Dammit, maybe somebody NEEDS to mount that freaking crusade, don't you think???

Oh, I'm sorry I'm not a cheater or an enabler like you.

Your own words show the attitude you have toward cheating and the like -- so don't give me that baloney, because I'm not listening to it.

When most players' idea of "having fun" is to deny the enjoyment of the game to all but themselves and their friends, frankly, I don't give a flying rats patoot about their "having fun" when it involves thousand-dollar bots, RMT, poshacking, Windower, and all else they feel is necessary to have fun.

The only reason I still play this game is to spit at attitudes like yours.

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If this is your attitude, then maybe you should quit. Sounds like this game causes you too much stress, and none of us would like for you to keel over dead from a heart attack.

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Originally Posted by Henihhi

If this is your attitude, then maybe you should quit. Sounds like this game causes you too much stress, and none of us would like for you to keel over dead from a heart attack.

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I would, except THAT'S WHAT THESE JACKALOPES WANT.

(And I do believe that most of them would openly want me dead of a heart attack just to go away and take what few legitimate players are left with me...)

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I would, except THAT'S WHAT THESE JACKALOPES WANT.

(And I do believe that most of them would openly want me dead of a heart attack just to go away and take what few legitimate players are left with me...)

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I could honestly care less if you play or not. You're arrogant, outspoken, and self-righteous. But you have every right to state your opinions and play how you want. From what I've read, you're actually not a horrible person in-game. Just a bitter Galka who got laughed at one-too-many times back in the day. Do what you want, but I promise it's a lot easier to be accepted by people when you yourself are accepting of others.

OP:
"Brew holds are use brew and uses treasure chest , conflux , mart any thing get npc talk to. and accident for some people."

Take your time and write out your complain coherently, please!

I think you're complaining that you can be accused of extending the intended duration of the infamous 'brew' by all sorts of means. I don't think this is a ban worthy offense, but suggest to your banned friends to take the matter up with the gm who banned them.

Now, exploiting a glitch- which Can and Has been done with this, that IS a ban worthy offense. Though, I'm surprised they weren't given a warning... like drinking the brew, having friends gather hordes of mobs for you to mow down, then 'pause' by clicking a stupid red chest or something, while loot and experience fill the screen..... Yeah, that sorta seems to be exploiting a glitch with the brew (albeit you're really only 'making the most bang for your buck') you could also use this trick to fast-track through magian trials at a sickening speed.. very not cool.

Bottom line-
It is up to the GMs to decide who "ACCIDENTLY" goes AFK on a chest between kills while their brew is up, and who "Intentionally, and repetitively" does so to exploit the system in their favor. You pay to play and abide by certain codes of conduct- if you screw up, sometimes you get put in time out.... or worse! It is all in the agreement...

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OP:
"Brew holds are use brew and uses treasure chest , conflux , mart any thing get npc talk to. and accident for some people."

Take your time and write out your complain coherently, please!

I think you're complaining that you can be accused of extending the intended duration of the infamous 'brew' by all sorts of means. I don't think this is a ban worthy offense, but suggest to your banned friends to take the matter up with the gm who banned them.

Now, exploiting a glitch- which Can and Has been done with this, that IS a ban worthy offense. Though, I'm surprised they weren't given a warning... like drinking the brew, having friends gather hordes of mobs for you to mow down, then 'pause' by clicking a stupid red chest or something, while loot and experience fill the screen..... Yeah, that sorta seems to be exploiting a glitch with the brew (albeit you're really only 'making the most bang for your buck') you could also use this trick to fast-track through magian trials at a sickening speed.. very not cool.

Bottom line-
It is up to the GMs to decide who "ACCIDENTLY" goes AFK on a chest between kills while their brew is up, and who "Intentionally, and repetitively" does so to exploit the system in their favor. You pay to play and abide by certain codes of conduct- if you screw up, sometimes you get put in time out.... or worse! It is all in the agreement...

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Senior GMs have already stated that this is not an Exploit and is in the game intentionally. OP's friends either broke the TOS or got screwed by the Billing cycle.

Oh for crying out loud - it's NOT a bannable offense, it has already been stated by a SE representative in another thread on this very forum that it is known mechanic and by design. Several others have already pointed this out and even posted link/quote in this thread. People need to learn how to read. -.-

Here, again: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post34730

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Dammit, maybe somebody NEEDS to mount that freaking crusade, don't you think???

Oh, I'm sorry I'm not a cheater or an enabler like you.

Your own words show the attitude you have toward cheating and the like -- so don't give me that baloney, because I'm not listening to it.

When most players' idea of "having fun" is to deny the enjoyment of the game to all but themselves and their friends, frankly, I don't give a flying rats patoot about their "having fun" when it involves thousand-dollar bots, RMT, poshacking, Windower, and all else they feel is necessary to have fun.

The only reason I still play this game is to spit at attitudes like yours.

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Wow and I thought I had anger issues sometimes. You're just so full of hate.

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Originally Posted by SNK

Wow and I thought I had anger issues sometimes. You're just so full of hate.

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I think he's just tilting at windmills, maybe he should go have a nice long chat with Krystal since she's a psychologist and get some help with his anger management issues.

WTF is this shit. There's already been a topic on this and the senior moogle person already said that SE doesn't give a crap atm.

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Oh for crying out loud - it's NOT a bannable offense, it has already been stated by a SE representative in another thread on this very forum that it is known mechanic and by design. Several others have already pointed this out and even posted link/quote in this thread. People need to learn how to read. -.-

Here, again: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post34730

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Then they need to reexamine how these players are using that design and EXPLOITING it.

It's an EXPLOIT of the mechanism, and that most certainly IS bannable if they're using that kind of stuff to hold in the manners described.

That's why Square-Enix had a rule on the books that any action taken outside of intended purposes could be considered an exploit and bannable.

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Wow and I thought I had anger issues sometimes. You're just so full of hate.

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And where the hate is deserved, the problem with that is... WHAT?

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Originally Posted by Starcade

That's why Square-Enix had a rule on the books that any action taken outside of intended purposes could be considered an exploit and bannable.

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They said it's working as intended, though~

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they still ban people?! i know when you do a GM call for botting all you get is a nice little"we dont care" msg from the GM's

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This. So much this.

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Then they need to reexamine how these players are using that design and EXPLOITING it.

It's an EXPLOIT of the mechanism, and that most certainly IS bannable if they're using that kind of stuff to hold in the manners described.

That's why Square-Enix had a rule on the books that any action taken outside of intended purposes could be considered an exploit and bannable.

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Are you thick or something? Do you honestly think SE doesn't already know this??? It's been reported as an in-game bug on this forum where SE replied, and I repeat, "a KNOWN mechanic and BY DESIGN". It was also said that it doesn't mean adjustments won't be made in the future. I.e. they can't ban people for it because they have straight out said "hey we purposely made it that way". However they will probably nerf this at some point in the future.

Starcade I feel a little sorry for you, having been on the same server for a few years and seeing some awkward things from your Ls(s). I believe even if there were no botters/windower users or whatever you feel is unjust in our FFXI you'd still be as bad as you are now.

Greatguardian no he's just as abrasive and inconsiderate in-game as well. I remember his shell wiping to rani and I'm killing dolls and get a random /tell "TOUCH MY RANI AND I'LL FUCKING GM" from this guy, was a little weird then I laughed as another group stole it.

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Dammit, maybe somebody NEEDS to mount that freaking crusade, don't you think???

Oh, I'm sorry I'm not a cheater or an enabler like you.

Your own words show the attitude you have toward cheating and the like -- so don't give me that baloney, because I'm not listening to it.

When most players' idea of "having fun" is to deny the enjoyment of the game to all but themselves and their friends, frankly, I don't give a flying rats patoot about their "having fun" when it involves thousand-dollar bots, RMT, poshacking, Windower, and all else they feel is necessary to have fun.

The only reason I still play this game is to spit at attitudes like yours.

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You have to be harmed by it.

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Are you thick or something? Do you honestly think SE doesn't already know this??? It's been reported as an in-game bug on this forum where SE replied, and I repeat, "a KNOWN mechanic and BY DESIGN".

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Yeah, I guess I'm "thick" to see that people are EXPLOITING that mechanic to possibly extend the amount of time they are under brew so monsters can be held so that more people can kill them?

Hell, you people think I'm so stupid, and even I figured that out in about 4 seconds.

There is a difference (not that a cheater/enabler like you would care -- pick the one you are) between the mechanic being intended and the way people are using it being intended.

Logging hate has the same problem. The mechanic of logging out is intended, but doing so specifically to remove hate is an EXPLOIT.

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It was also said that it doesn't mean adjustments won't be made in the future. I.e. they can't ban people for it because they have straight out said "hey we purposely made it that way". However they will probably nerf this at some point in the future.

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They said the same thing about Salvage for two years.

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Originally Posted by rog

You have to be harmed by it.

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Actually, I am harmed -- the only legal question would be sufficient harm to claim legal damage.

I am harmed because there are portions of this game, because I refuse to play with illegal programs, that I will not be able to play. That's reality and truth.

I am harmed because the game has no future, due to the known necessities of cheating and skirting the rules.

I am harmed because what I _do_ do in the game is damaged because very few players fundamentally respect fair play.

Care I go on, Rog?

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Actually, I am harmed -- the only legal question would be sufficient harm to claim legal damage.

I am harmed because there are portions of this game, because I refuse to play with illegal programs, that I will not be able to play. That's reality and truth.

I am harmed because the game has no future, due to the known necessities of cheating and skirting the rules.

I am harmed because what I _do_ do in the game is damaged because very few players fundamentally respect fair play.

Care I go on, Rog?

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You would have a better chance suing every cop/police station.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Kiss my entire white keester, cheater.

The only reason I am "bad" is because I am limited in what I can do in the game to what the cheaters and exploiters won't run over -- and that includes those necro-claims which Square-Enix should declare exploits and ban the lot of you jackalopes for.

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What are you even talking about? Majority of the good gear now comes from Abyssea. How are people keeping you from obtaining gear in Abyssea? Sounds like you just want gear to fail into your lap.

Starcade,
http://images2.memegenerator.net/Ima...torName=Raditz

Starcade,

please post a link to where an SE representative said they know about the salvage dupe "trick" and that it is a known mechanic and by design. I would really like to see it. Because, as far as I know, that was a glitch and not purposely made to work that way.

Anyway, my advice to you is to stop playing. This game seems to cause you so much stress it can't possibly be healthy, and you obviously don't play because you have fun and enjoy it. And honestly, don't you realize how absolutely ridiculous you seem, getting SO worked up over what other people do in a game - to the point where you want to sue SE. Good luck with that by the way, go sue SE because they have designed certain mechanics of the game in such a manner that it upsets you.

"Your honour, SE has caused me mental distress and kept me from enjoying the game that I voluntarily play and pay for, because of how they designed the temporary item called Primeval Brew in such a manner that players can pause the timer and thus kill multiple monsters using only one of said temporary items."

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are u sure?
well a ban list would be dead ass long if they keep, might be that they say its permanent and u believe it because u can't use it after 4 or 5 months.And after 6months they maybe clean the list to reduce the calculation the server has to do (file size would increase and increase and increase if they don't do it).
i know its speculative but it could be.

happened to me at diablo II the only time i was cheating , its like 6 years ago, and i got banned for maphack.
so i am branded and i've never used cheat/3rd party tools again.
however it showed me perm bann and after approx 6 months i was able to use the key again.

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If that's true my friend could play now who got banned 2 years ago? Dont think so.

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Yeah, I guess I'm "thick" to see that people are EXPLOITING that mechanic to possibly extend the amount of time they are under brew so monsters can be held so that more people can kill them?

Hell, you people think I'm so stupid, and even I figured that out in about 4 seconds.

There is a difference (not that a cheater/enabler like you would care -- pick the one you are) between the mechanic being intended and the way people are using it being intended.

Logging hate has the same problem. The mechanic of logging out is intended, but doing so specifically to remove hate is an EXPLOIT.

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You're just tilting at windmills again...

Were you dropped on your head as a child, perhaps multiple times. That's the only thing that I can figure out that would cause you to be so delusional.

If you were to have your way we'd still be stuck back in the stone ages getting exp at 3k/hr with only paladins as tanks because that's the way that SE intended it. We wouldn't have Nin or /nin blink tanking since SE didn't consider the possibility of spamming utsusemi as a way to avoid to damage. Just because SE didn't intend for a certain gameplay mechanic to be used in a different way doesn't mean that it violates the TOS.

Pretty much every innovation in game strategy came from some one finding a new and unique way to use the game mechanics that SE most likely had not considered. At that point SE will come out and say if the new tactic is legit or not. In this case they have specifically said that they know about using NPC interactions to stop the brew timer and they are completely fine with it at this time.

Despite what your delusional brain tells you, you are not the person who gets to determine what is an exploit in the game, that is left up SE. You seriously need to go get some help for your obvious mental disorders.

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If you were to have your way we'd still be stuck back in the stone ages getting exp at 3k/hr with only paladins as tanks because that's the way that SE intended it. We wouldn't have Nin or /nin blink tanking since SE didn't consider the possibility of spamming utsusemi as a way to avoid to damage. Just because SE didn't intend for a certain gameplay mechanic to be used in a different way doesn't mean that it violates the TOS.

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Yes they did intend for it. Maybe they did not intend for nin to replace pld as a tank, but they absolutely intended for it to be used to avoid taking any damage. Nin was intended to be exactly what it is today: a strong dd, with incredible defensive capabilities.

I don't get it how is people using brews to kill 7 or 8 NMs in a row hurts your game at all? Some people on here just like to complain about every little thing. Honestly I hope SE doesn't change the way brews work because it would just inconvenience the majority of the playerbase if brews all of a sudden still count down their timer when talking to a NPC.

Say if I can kill 8 nms in 1 brew thats 1.4m curor I don't need to farm.

Don't you people have better things to do then complain about brew locking?

I don't see the wrong in Brew locking, its a mistake on SE's part, why should someone get punished for a mistake SE made? Besides they are using their Cruor to purchase said brew if people want to go brew happy by all means let them, they'll eventually run out of cruor.