Raise your item level to 119 by completing a tutorial quest!

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Originally Posted by Pixela

They can't remove Ilevel without massive reworks of the game, that is not going to happen at this point in time. So to all the people complaining, are you asking for higher quality 119 gear to be toned back or what? Given reality of the situation what are you trying to accomplish with the complaining exactly?

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It's part of the game, the gear is growing so I think what most people--myself at least--are asking for is that increase be properly reflected.

This is an MMO, gear will never stop improving, that's fine. It's ridiculous that the number is the same when the gear is not remotely close to the same.

At 75, it was a different story. The gear was only level 75. Level cap, big deal. 99 is still level-cap, ilvl artificially inflates our level. Sticking to 119 causes players to believe that their Skirmish II gear is on par with Ru'Aun/Reisenjima gear and then they can't understand why the other melee has 200 more accuracy.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

It's part of the game, the gear is growing so I think what most people--myself at least--are asking for is that increase be properly reflected.

This is an MMO, gear will never stop improving, that's fine. It's ridiculous that the number is the same when the gear is not remotely close to the same.

At 75, it was a different story. The gear was only level 75. Level cap, big deal. 99 is still level-cap, ilvl artificially inflates our level. Sticking to 119 causes players to believe that their Skirmish II gear is on par with Ru'Aun/Reisenjima gear and then they can't understand why the other melee has 200 more accuracy.

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Boost the lower grade 119 gear then right? '-' Much more accuracy and magic accuracy for all the weaker 119 gear, I agree with you!

If the game will keep ILV then our devs should use that in the correct way like FF14-WoW do.

ILV119 to ILV129 Example.

ILV119

50 HP, 50 MP, 30 STR, 30 DEX, 20 AGI.
Accuracy/Attack + 15
Double Attack + 2%

ILV129

100 HP, 100 MP, 60 STR, 60 DEX, 40 AGI
Accuracy/Attack +30
Double Attack + 4%

Every 1 Year make a Jump in ILV to give us time of Grind this New items.
R/M/E/A 350 Plutons Upgrade Max To keep them Relevant
Some Battles can keep a max ILV to keep those battles relevant.
Reforge AF, Relic and Empy Should Have Updates every year too to keep them relevant.

Ambuscade Cap ILV119 - Max ILV129 even if the game keep advancing and we have ILV140+.

But having us stucked on ILV119 its Silly.

I can agree with a lot of what Stompa is saying:

-The game can feel like easy mode if you want to run around and do old content. I farmed Forgottens in the Dynamis areas in ilvl117 gear with trusts, and it's a serious cake walk depending on the job of course.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

Boost the lower grade 119 gear then right? '-' Much more accuracy and magic accuracy for all the weaker 119 gear, I agree with you!

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lol no. Raise the ilvl on gear that obviously is better gear.

Ambuscade NQ gear, which is easily obtainable for anyone should be higher than 119, Ambuscade +1 should be higher than NQ.

Partial abandonment of a system is a disaster.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

lol no. Raise the ilvl on gear that obviously is better gear.

Ambuscade NQ gear, which is easily obtainable for anyone should be higher than 119, Ambuscade +1 should be higher than NQ.

Partial abandonment of a system is a disaster.

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So basically it's just about your epeen, gotcha.

Are people keeping in mind that changing Item level would break the game now? This isn't just about stats on the weapon, average item level is effectively your characters actual level. When you put Ilevel gear on your are increasing your level from 99 to whatever your average item level says. Go put full sparks gear on, check some monsters in Escha and then swap to 119 gear and check them again to see your level change in comparison to them. Changing from sparks to any 119 set instantly gains you what amounts to 2 character levels.

If they increased max item level to 129 that would effectively make you level 129 and all notorious monsters would instantly become even match or easy prey, all xp rates would drop to almost nothing.

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Originally Posted by Pixela

So basically it's just about your epeen, gotcha.

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Geez, it's not.

I'm glad Ambuscade is available to anyone with the time. The difficulty/reward ratio can work for everyone, even people in sparks gear.

What I'm saying is that it's stupid that Ambuscade is the same ilvl as Delve when it's FAR SUPERIOR.

The current design leads people into thinking that their delve and skirmish gear has them ready for the toughest stuff in the game. "We're both 119!"

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If they increased max item level to 129 that would effectively make you level 129 and all notorious monsters would instantly become even match or easy prey, all xp rates would drop to almost nothing.

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I'm not sure that that's true. Weapon ilvl would affect bst pets and trusts, but we'd still have the same accuracy, magic evasion, mnd, int, str, all that stuff. I don't see changing ilvl (and only ilvl, no other stat) as making the fights any easier, except where trusts and bst pets are concerned and both of those could be solved.

Half-abandoned system is worse than commitment or full abandonment.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

I'm not sure that that's true. .

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Go into Escha Ru'aun and check monsters with no gear, then full sparks gear, then full 119 gear. You'll see the monsters check level change based on what ilevel gear you have on (which effectively means you level up or down based on your average item level), they will also give less XP as your ilevel increases.

When you see someone in full sparks gear they are level 117, when you are in 119 gear you are 2 levels higher than them.

No no, I know that the /check stuff is true. I'm not sure that the fights will actually be any easier whatever number the weapon says on it.

IE, take a completely solo naked warrior, give him a 119 g.axe with 242 skill, 242 parry and 300 damage. The fight will be exactly the same as if you gave him a lv 99 weapon with 300 damage, 242 accuracy, parry, and attack (if one existed).

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

I'm not sure that that's true.

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It isn't. Average item level has no effects besides trusts and exp rates.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Obviously those crabs would not aggro you if you were really level 119, a full 20 levels higher than 99, when those mobs were IEP and really were borderline aggro already. They are aggroing your 119 Jobmaster, because you are still level 99, and still just inside the aggro limit.

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That's not really accurate. Everything that was aggressive to a level 75 player is also aggressive to a level 99 player.

I know that it's not really about aggro, I was just saying your example isn't a valid one. Mobs that were aggressive at 75 don't care if you're 76, 99, or 119. Gaining 24 levels didn't make a difference; 20 more levels still wouldn't make a difference.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

And they would not do that if you were level 119. Because EP mob plus 20 levels equals TW mob. This proves that ilvl is gear level, not player level.

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Yes they would. A level 60 Robber Crab in Kuftal Tunnel is EP and aggressive at 75. The same Robber Crab is EP and aggressive at 99. There's a 39 level difference between you and the crab and it still attacks you. Levels past 75 have no bearing on whether mobs attack you. Even if average item level raised your effective level, the crab would still attack you.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

Although a lot of EP mobs at 75 are infact TW at 99. But that is not the point lol.

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That's exactly the point of what we're discussing. No, there are no mobs that are easy prey at 75 which are too weak at 99. If you can tell me any mobs that you think fit this criteria, I will level a job to 75, switch to merit mode, check them, and post my results even if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

If a person says "my character is level 119 now" and mobs that were EP at 75 are still EP at 119, that is 44 levels of the mob staying EP. You must accept that a mob can not stay EP for 44 levels.

And 75-99 is 24 levels of EP, at a stretch and in some cases only. 75-119 is a staggering 44 levels of a mob checking as EP, and is completely different.

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I've been agreeing this whole time that item level doesn't change your actual level.

Stompa there are only two cases where the difference between level and artificial level matter:

Subjobs: If we were 119, our subs would be level 59.

Bosses that remove and restrict gear are more brutal for the temporary duration. On the flipside, salvage is easier with the stat debuff because our gear puts the stats right back until we can unlock the stats.

Anything else is just semantics.

The problem with the creeping climb of ilvl gear is that the stupid number is telling uninformed players one thing when in fact some players are effectively 125 perhaps with the great deal more stats they may have.

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Originally Posted by Secondplanet

Considering that the JP boards get about 5-6 replies from the dev team compared to our 1 i have to agree with that statement. I think there was even a board on the JP portion where they could vote for the next mount that was released.

would be nice if we got a say in this game since you know.... we pay the same subscription.

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I don't know, something tells me we english speaking folk are now the dominate players for this game...they may have to start listening to us. Just check the JP forums. Maybe I'm using fuzzy math here, but their general section is ALOT less active than ours right now, if I'm getting the gist of where their general is located in Japanese. I really do think most of the JP abandoned the game after PS2 support ended but maybe I'm wrong...

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Originally Posted by Vold

I don't know, something tells me we english speaking folk are now the dominate players for this game...they may have to start listening to us. Just check the JP forums. Maybe I'm using fuzzy math here, but their general section is ALOT less active than ours right now, if I'm getting the gist of where their general is located in Japanese. I really do think most of the JP abandoned the game after PS2 support ended but maybe I'm wrong...

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It doesn't work based on numbers, it never did. The JP players of XI and XIV were always a minority, it works the same for Korean games.

It's not about numbers it's just that the devs speak that language and so can interact fully to those players.