Does GEO/RUN relics still take 6 month to start?

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

So, it's been 4 months between posts, how close are you to idris now?

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Already farmed 2,5m of plasma for Delve and 70k Fragments for stones. The only reason I haven't capped HP Bayld is inventory space, still month away because of coalitions. I didn't spend the 4 months complaining, if that what you are implying.

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Inventory space is the same reason I don't have a P. Yggrete Crystal in my inventory by the way.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

btw, I just happened to reread the whole thread again, and realize that it's kinda odd that ppl argue over pre-condition which is all max ranked coalitions, while the actual ergon grinding might be much longer (not to mention expensive). Not to mention that majority of assignments are dead easy, just time consuming. cmiiw tho...

(kinda sucked tho that the silver cordons are only achievable after all coalitions max-ranked and with all assignments cleared, which is kinda wasted at that point. and do I need to mention gold cordons? lol )

Also, I'm currently on 5 max-ranked coalitions, and one left on either advisor/magnate rank. Getting bronze cordons really helps quite a bit since it shortens imprints waiting time and maxed em from 15 to 16. Too bad I only play during free logins atm or this would've finished long time ago. Next time I'm back again, they surely gonna be all max ranked, tho it will left me wondering how am I gonna progress upgrading/farming for ergon since I'm not really better equipped. So far, my RUN only have complete AF & relic gear set and only like 1 piece that's upgraded to i119. ^^;

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The actual grinding process for Ergon is long as much you make it, like all other relics.

We just have this 6 months long lock on us for some reason. What's the last thing in this game that took 6 months? You can probably level a character to 99, max JP and get all Reisejima T1-T3 in 6 months nowadays.

It's also particulary frustrating because, despite being a career GEO that spends his time trying to get the best stuff for his job, I'll be always inferior to an Idris GEO and there is nothing I can do about it. (Unlike people who can actually work on their relic to improve their job whenever they want)

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Originally Posted by Jin_Uzuki

It's also particulary frustrating because, despite being a career GEO that spends his time trying to get the best stuff for his job, I'll be always inferior to an Idris GEO and there is nothing I can do about it. (Unlike people who can actually work on their relic to improve their job whenever they want)

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That's the unfortunate reality of the situation, the dev team hasn't leveled the playing field for the "ultimate" weapons yet, specifically Idris, Epeolatry and Empyreans. This is going to be another one of those "better late than never" cases as I'm sure the conditions required for building those weapons will get adjusted in the next year or three.

Time gates are bad.

Temporary gear is bad.

They've added both. Stop adding bad things just because "other mmos do it."

Time gates aren't necessarily bad but yes, 6 months is too long. Time gates on old content ("jp midnight / conquest tally") is bad for people trying to catch up

As for other mmo's doing it. FFXI has done it for most of it's life and it's older than most MMOs.

A reasonable investment of time, even by gating, is an alright thing.

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Already farmed 2,5m of plasma for Delve and 70k Fragments for stones. The only reason I haven't capped HP Bayld is inventory space, still month away because of coalitions. I didn't spend the 4 months complaining, if that what you are implying.



Inventory space is the same reason I don't have a P. Yggrete Crystal in my inventory by the way.

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I wasn't implying anything, I was simply asking if you'd managed to keep up with it. Having just finished 6/6 legend, it can be annoying to make sure to hit tags frequently enough.

In Bayld's case, like alex before it (not so much with alex now), it would be nice if there was a sort of "100 piece" that stacked. Then 13,099 takes up 3 inventory slots

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

I wasn't implying anything, I was simply asking if you'd managed to keep up with it. Having just finished 6/6 legend, it can be annoying to make sure to hit tags frequently enough.

In Bayld's case, like alex before it (not so much with alex now), it would be nice if there was a sort of "100 piece" that stacked. Then 13,099 takes up 3 inventory slots

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Oh, I apologize for the tone, then. I'm kinda altered about this thing, because I'm basically smashing my head against a wall for 6 months with no way to improve my job while almost everyone can work toward their relic or making it extra shiny. No to mention that if someone in the party has Idris and they switch jobs to get me, they are basically getting a downgrade.

There are people in this thread that agree the wait is too much, who have one or multiple Ergons. I agree it's too much as well.

I think two months would be reasonable. It shows commitment but feels achievable. The best way they could do this is by tripling the "points" rewarded for doing assignments.

As for any comparisons to mythics, mythics require a lot of dedication in a whole different way (each and every time.. 50 assaults, some of which are not easy Azure...Ailments or Experiments (even nq 99 gear resists debuffs a lot, i've gone full half hours, golden ring, prison escape, ore), spamming Nyzul, spamming einherjar, and the gil cost or farm time.

Short of nerfing the points required and the assaults, mythics will never get easier and probably not cheaper.

Completing both types of "mythics" shows a commitment, whereas you can basically buy a relic. Empyrean are generally the most expensive and require commitment to farming. To be honest, I find lugging out those weapons now more annoying than I did when Abyssea mattered.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

There are people in this thread that agree the wait is too much, who have one or multiple Ergons. I agree it's too much as well.

I think two months would be reasonable. It shows commitment but feels achievable. The best way they could do this is by tripling the "points" rewarded for doing assignments.

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Simply increasing the points rewarded would reduce the total required number of assignments to complete (lower work/effort) which is something devs are probably not going to like. ^^;; They don't seem to mind letting us spam stuff tho, (ex: ROV KIs lowering Assault tag recharge to 10min, removing Dynamis lockout entirely) since that only lets us do the same amount of effort as many times as we want.

So, I think the best solution would be to lower the imprimatur recharge time. Maybe also increase the baseline number we can store. If the baseline recharge time was lowered (and cap was possibly raised in addition to that) the minimum required time for legend would be reduced w/o disrupting/changing anything else in the process. It would still take the same amount of work/effort, just lower the time required to complete the task. Since that is the primary complaint regarding the Ergon process, not any of the farming/cost issues, and it should cause no problems w/ anything else, why not?

haha

guess I'm just enjoying my time doing these assignments, since I do realize how tedious the actual process gonna be. I'm thinking it as a break. Who knows... maybe by the time I'm really done with these assignments, there might be nerfs on the actual process... XD

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Originally Posted by dmuller30

Can we get some insight from a dev about what is going on here. This isn't so great for returning or new players.

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VW isn't either.
Good luck doing VW campaigns when you have to return to town every 6 kills and everything from VW has 0.00001% drop rates.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

VW isn't either.
Good luck doing VW campaigns when you have to return to town every 6 kills and everything from VW has 0.00001% drop rates.

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You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

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Originally Posted by Jakuk

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

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I feel like there is a great deal of a lack of understanding of many mechanics that goes into much of the forum posting.

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Originally Posted by Jakuk

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

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That only works if you actually have voidstones. It's incredibly easy to drain through your stock, especially if you're on a newer account, at which point you're forced to hit town and buy voiddust, hence the return to town after every 6 kills.

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Originally Posted by Jakuk

You don't have to return to town they changed that ages ago, you just have to activate it from a VW NPC.

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You do if you run out of stones and need dust...which a new player/returning pre-VW player has to do.

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Originally Posted by PristineChicken

I feel like there is a great deal of a lack of understanding of many mechanics that goes into much of the forum posting.

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Does this site not have moderators anymore?

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

You do if you run out of stones and need dust...which a new player/returning pre-VW player has to do.

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This is true and most definitely is an annoyance. (Yay! I get to agree with you for once Shiyo! =D ) The lv75 requirement just to get the timer rolling is an additional roadblock for new characters and is also easy to miss for players who haven't been around since VW has been active.

I know that the devs have already cited technical difficulties in changing the way this currently works, but there has to be a solution other than "Working as intended."
If they can't change the behavior of how the current "trade dust to npc > get KI" works, maybe add a new npc who CAN handle "trade dust to npc > add to stock"? Or heck, tie VW to current content and let us trade something like Eschalixir (NQ) for stones (adding to stock, not KI) XD

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Does this site not have moderators anymore?

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I'm pretty sure there aren't any on the payroll anymore at least. :/ Best we've got at this point are the Community Reps. Although, I don't remember mods actually explaining game mechanics to those who are confused and/or misguided about how something works unless they were specifically asking questions about it. Confusion/misinformation seem to happen a lot w/ FFXI since 95% of in-game content is not really explained via any official means.