Lower the days for relic making ?

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

If I may interject... I don't see how it would "destroy part of the game" to get a relic faster if you have the money and means to make it. I understand the lore argument, but riddle me this: how do you know if X player took the full time to get it (farming, daily dynamis, etc) versus buying the currency pieces outright with their gil? Does their relic look cheaper, more poorly-made? Not really. In essence, it affects nothing but your sense of "but this is how I see it."

It's not an instant gratification point; it's quality of life. Instant gratification would be more "push button, receive relic" than removed wait times. They still have to take the time to do the runs for their necropsyche, their attestation, and their fragment since those can't be sold. They still have to do their trials to get it up to 119. They're not instantly being thrown the best weapon it can be just because they have the means to complete the first step right away. I mean technically you can complete an Empyrean in the same way; since it's all entirely item trades, if you have them stockpiled from various endeavors then you can have it finished in a heartbeat, with no wait time except for watching your Magian Moogle dance himself to death while calling down the sky's worth of stars.

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I find it funny how so many people call everything "Quality of Life" when it is not. Obtaining R/E/Ms is SUPPOSED to be an arduous task that takes a lot of time, they are legendary weapons. Obtaining equipment is not Quality of Life, and one is cheapening the quest by reducing the requirements. If you call reducing the requirements to obtain equipment as Quality of Life you might as well ask SE to make all the NMs in Delve have 20k HP so that all the casuals can solo the entire zone.... you know, Quality of Life.... /rollseyes.

If people were asking for them to lower the amount of currency, or weaponskill kills or NM kills, etc. you might have a point. But you are literally arguing that doing nothing for an extended period of time is an important and fun feature that somehow makes the game better (can you even call doing nothing a game?).

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Given the long list of things they're unwilling to change because it would be "difficult to do so" even though it seems simple to us, I'd say it's not a simple matter to find those things. To counter your argument I'd point out that these changes have occured a few at a time spread out over months/years. If it was as simple as you think it is, they could change them all in a relatively short timeframe- And that's assuming they feel like it needs to be changed in the first place. If you didn't wait until you collected every single dynamis coin before beginning to turn in your items, this wait time wouldn't be that much of an issue anyway.

In my opinion, with precious little time left for us to get stuff, this should be considered a minimal priority issue compared to a lot of other things they could be improving. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be adjusted - rather that it's just about the least important thing they could invest any time on (And yes, I've been through the wait times myself and wasn't bothered)

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I would agree that if this is an incredibly time consuming task they should make more important changes instead. But if it's choosing between making another level 1 vanity item and a new mog slip to store it for all eternity because only mules actually wear that stuff or this, then I pick this. I just don't think it's that hard. I think they waited so long to change all those other wait times because they didn't feel like they needed to be adjusted at the time. They've actually asked for suggestions as to which ones to change in the past. They rarely follow suggestions though, so we'll probably never know. So good news for the nay sayers I guess.

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Originally Posted by Singforu

I find it funny how so many people call everything "Quality of Life" when it is not. Obtaining R/E/Ms is SUPPOSED to be an arduous task that takes a lot of time, they are legendary weapons. Obtaining equipment is not Quality of Life, and one is cheapening the quest by reducing the requirements. If you call reducing the requirements to obtain equipment as Quality of Life you might as well ask SE to make all the NMs in Delve have 20k HP so that all the casuals can solo the entire zone.... you know, Quality of Life.... /rollseyes.

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Not waiting is "cheapening the quest"? They still have to get the same amount of currency, whether they got it prior or earned the gil to purchase the pieces. They still have to do all of the same trials. There is nothing that waiting causes them to "earn". Waiting is not a sign of hard work or an "arduous task." It is simply a gate, nothing more. Asking for Delve zones to be easier has nothing to do with simply removing a wait. Why are you so hung up on sitting and twiddling your thumbs? If it was something like "require less currency to finish a relic weapon" or "make there less stages in a relic" then yes, that's something I'd argue against, but removing a wait? That's just a foolish argument.

Why must some people find reasons to argue against even the most simple of requests? I swear you guys, you will just search for reasons to disagree with anything.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Why must some people find reasons to argue against even the most simple of requests?

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Answer: because there are more beneficial and useful things the developers could do with their time, and I'd rather see them do something that actually matters over wasting any amount of dev time on something that doesn't really need changing because of how low impact an issue it already is.

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Originally Posted by Crevox

Why must some people find reasons to argue against even the most simple of requests? I swear you guys, you will just search for reasons to disagree with anything.

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Completely agree.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Answer: because there are more beneficial and useful things the developers could do with their time, and I'd rather see them do something that actually matters over wasting any amount of dev time on something that doesn't really need changing because of how low impact an issue it already is.

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

Completely agree.

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I'm not "searching for reasons." it's a perfectly valid reason. Also, I didn't say that I don't think it is a good idea to change it, only that it's not important in the face of the other things many of us want. Ever heard of "priorities?"

There's really no reason to be a jerk like that.