109/119 Empyrean Armor, Can we have it?

Personally I hope it has nothing to do with Abyssea at all. The less time I have to spend there, the more I will enjoy the game.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello!

While I can't give you a specific implementation time at the moment, rest assured that Empyrean armor reforging is on the way!

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This makes me very very happy. I loved all of the jobs' Empyrean Armor~

I'm curious as to how they're going to go about this in terms of reforging armor.

Maybe they'll add harder Abyssea content like a Zone Boss II similar to Dynamis Mega Bosses or
Voidwatch? I'm interested to see how they're going to play this out!

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Originally Posted by Essence

This makes me very very happy. I loved all of the jobs' Empyrean Armor~

I'm curious as to how they're going to go about this in terms of reforging armor.

Maybe they'll add harder Abyssea content like a Zone Boss II similar to Dynamis Mega Bosses or
Voidwatch? I'm interested to see how they're going to play this out!

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Hopefully it's just existing items and chapters used in the reforging process. A lot of it is annoying enough to get.. and not to mention annoyingly expensive.

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

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I have been making cracks about Colorless Souls for Empy reforges for MONTHS and people just glare at me.

I'm telling you people, imagine the worst. Then at least you won't feel gut punched if it happens and you'll be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't!

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

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If it works like reforging relic to 109, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 50/25/0 souls to reforge NQ/+1/+2 Empy, on top of chapters and ingredients (and the job-specific ingredients may very well still be various zone boss drops).

I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that 119 Empy is going to require trophies from Legion as its job-specific ingredient on top of something we're really not expecting for slot-specific ingredients. (The Einherjar-specific abjurations, maybe? That'd cover the remaining endgame events that haven't been made semi-important again, I think.)

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Originally Posted by MDenham

If it works like reforging relic to 109, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 50/25/0 souls to reforge NQ/+1/+2 Empy, on top of chapters and ingredients (and the job-specific ingredients may very well still be various zone boss drops).

I'm going to go out on a limb, though, and guess that 119 Empy is going to require trophies from Legion as its job-specific ingredient on top of something we're really not expecting for slot-specific ingredients. (The Einherjar-specific abjurations, maybe? That'd cover the remaining endgame events that haven't been made semi-important again, I think.)

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That'd be awful. Please, no Legion. Or more Voidwatch crap. For the love of god.

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Originally Posted by Arbalest

That'd be awful. Please, no Legion. Or more Voidwatch crap. For the love of god.

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I never said it was a good idea, but there has been a theme of "let's make events that are dying relevant again" throughout this.

Here's what I'm calling: 109 upgrade items will be bought from NPCs, the same ones that sold you the base items for Empy armour, with feet items found in gold chests.

119 will drop from a new BCNM fight in emperyal paradox.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I'm not gonna dig up a link because it doesn't matter, but they did originally say that.

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I don't know how this could be true. The Chapters that are used to upgrade Relic and Artifact to 109 are called REM CHAPTERS. If you read the description on each, they are basically pages in history about a guy conveniently named "REM". What does REM stand for? Hmmm, lets see...

EMR
REM
RME

OH - RELIC - EMPYREAN - MYTHIC.

Since the pages were originally used to upgrade artifact, and then relic, and only seemed logical that it would then be used to reforge empyrean. yeah, I know that doesn't seem to go in line with the whole "RME" theme, since there is no "mythic armor". But the concept of the reforge system and the name of the chapters all but gave away what the plans for revamping this gear was, a long time ago.

Maybe I was a nerd and thought too much about this that I fel it was an absolute certainty. Even though SE denied it, i really felt like they were onto something, and it was only a matter of time until it was implemented.

Calling it now, they are going to use crystal petrifacts and silver mirrors. Cause they like licking up the tears of people who threw out voidwatch trash.

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Originally Posted by sweetidealism

Personally I hope it has nothing to do with Abyssea at all. The less time I have to spend there, the more I will enjoy the game.

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Hate to break it to you, but empy armor is ... FROM Abyssea. The chances of it not requiring anything from abyssea are slight.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I'm not gonna dig up a link because it doesn't matter, but they did originally say that.

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You can't dig it out because it never happened. They said all along they would be upgrading empy.

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

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It's already the best TP piece in the game. If they upgraded it to ilevel it would be the only piece worth using, which would kind of suck.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

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I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

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Originally Posted by Damane

I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

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It's not even old though... I mean seriously. I still wear Sha'ir Manteel in my song cast reduction time set, that was added in... what like 2005? - this is a game BASED on old gear maintaining value because of gear swaps... Also, there is always something that's "best in slot" so having it be thaumas - why would that be a problem?

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Originally Posted by Damane

I am all for upgradeing AF/Relic/empy gear that are job exclusiv/job defining, but for god sake can we let old gear just die slowly without the need to carry it around for 39203923 years? let them release new gear.

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I totally understand your point, but can you see them making any new gear better than thaumas coat? Might as well update it so we can keep ourselves from dieing so fast in tp gear.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I totally understand your point, but can you see them making any new gear better than thaumas coat? Might as well update it so we can keep ourselves from dieing so fast in tp gear.

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I don't see a whole lot of value in TPing in the coat outside of specific situations, because if you lack the evasion, magic evasion, and stat vomit against most of Adoulin's content you usually die horribly.

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Originally Posted by Tennotsukai

I know this is a little off subject, but it would be nice for an upgraded thaumas coat as well.

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Nah. As someone has already, Thaumas is the best TP piece in the game. It's also situational. I prefer it that way. It's already level 99 so there'd be next to no point in making it iLevel all of a sudden.

Let that sort of gear be an optional path instead of one that we glue ourselves to.

Use Thaumas if you're fighting fodder or your acc is capped. Otherwise, stick to Qaaxo, and stop complaining about everything becoming iLvl. Yeah, I have Byakko's Haidate (aug), an Osode, a BUNCH of sky gear and tons of other content gear I would have loved to see 119 (Ogiers set comes to mind), but give it a rest, will ya?

You already attack non-stop as it is. What the hell man.

How about we take a different approach or route on what we all would like to see implemented for the added/reforged stat's of empyreon-abyssea gears rather then complain and fight about the past\past reforged gears or battlefields instead, Huh!? Why Not? {I have spaced it out to make it easier for some of you to read, who may not be able to read long combined paragraphs)

I originally posted the ideas I had on the abby gears being reforged under another thread for the Mavi Blue Mage Reforged Gear Sets and your welcome to take a look at it if you would like to with this link but it already should be close to what I'm writing under this fourm on the reforged abyssea gears topic but not matchingg all intirely. To be honest to a response into a previous post here, I have never done or entered into the Legion battlefields yet but also I haven't seen anyone doing them and not even sure if you can even solo legion battlefields as of yet or even call fourth your alter egos + adventure Fellows into that particular Battlefield.

Now when they finally do the Reforging coming out for Empereon/Abby armor sets and weapons some time in the future and specially for the blue mages Reforged Mavi set. I would like to see them put quite a bit of refresh and regen on each piece of the gears as well as upgrades to the Blue Magic Casting Time minus -0% and Recast Delay -0%{Minus Number of percentage down-time} and also have haste% and some where fast cast as an additional on the gears that could be nice too. well i'm assuming magic evasion has to be included in order to use them against Seekers of Adoulin monsters/bosses or mega bosses.

Now the only gears of the mavi set that never got covered with an upgrade such as the mavi tathlum and the mavi earring getting a +1 and +2 would be nice as well as maybe include it in the reforges would be good too. well I know a few like to see blue mage gears get double attack and enhances dual wield effect on them as well!

In my opinion the mavi earring, mavi tathlum and if there was such a thing mavi neck, mavi back piece and gear's like it for other jobs should have been given the abbey upgrades, just like the rest of the main counter part gears where given a long time ago into +1 first then next +2. So at least then they would have been all on the same storage slip instead of constantly being stuck to 2 different slips to save even more time pulling them back out again. they should have done it quite a few years ago for those gears and way before the reforges had rolled around the corner but now they should be included as part of the reforged armor too. I will post at a later date on the stat's I'd liked to see being placed on them or to be included for the mavi earring, mavi tathlum, and etcetera for the gear's like it after I get some feed back on the community here! ;)

what would you see implemented into the blue mavi gear reforges??

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Originally Posted by YosemiteYogorockBlondelle

A lot

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TL;DR. Sorry

Since most people who do adoulin content and HLC on difficult+ have a 'TP' set and an 'acc' set now, it's fairly irrelevant. Thaumas goes in your TP set, which you use for VW, dyna, salvage, farming, RoE, etc. and your ilvl equivalent goes in your Acc set.

It's that simple.

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Originally Posted by AppropriateName5786

Whatever floats your boat. And I am not expecting anything significant to come out of FFXI. Just not the recycle-fest that is happening now.



Yes, clearly I imagined the whole ilevel system when I overdosed on reality. Clearly horizontal progression hasn't changed....sorry, I stopped reading after this.

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lawls, your arrogance and ignorance shines again.

Personally, I'd also like to see some of the JSE/EMP accessories also find a way to be upgraded too. The Thief's Knife replacement is awesome, but there are a lot of other things out there that haven't had that chance. I play a SMN for the most part, and it's what I know best. But my Evoker's Ring hasn't ever come off (Unless you count those perverted Mobs that like to strip you... Yeah, I'm talking to you Lamias and Ironclads.) It'd be nice to see it upgraded to the Summoner's Ring(ilvl109), and then maybe the Caller's Ring (ilvl119). The Caller's Pendent is is nice with the Regain and powered up version of that would be pretty sweet. And I'm sure that there are other jobs with accessories that are just as good, and worth keeping.

On a completely side note, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an Extreme Mode for the Avatars. The did have some nice items from the Regular and Hard Fights back in the day.

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.

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Originally Posted by Protey

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.

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Doesn't the RDM Empyrean kinda make up for that? D:

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Originally Posted by Protey

i wish empyrean armor wasn't getting upgraded. i don't want to go back to putting on empy mnk body when impetus is up and taking it off when it is down. not unless they make the body so awesome that you can always TP in it.

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sorry to break your heart, but if gearswaping isnt a thing for you, you are playing the wrong game :X. XI was allways about gearswaps and sidegrades.

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Originally Posted by Zeargi

Personally, I'd also like to see some of the JSE/EMP accessories also find a way to be upgraded too. The Thief's Knife replacement is awesome, but there are a lot of other things out there that haven't had that chance. I play a SMN for the most part, and it's what I know best. But my Evoker's Ring hasn't ever come off (Unless you count those perverted Mobs that like to strip you... Yeah, I'm talking to you Lamias and Ironclads.) It'd be nice to see it upgraded to the Summoner's Ring(ilvl109), and then maybe the Caller's Ring (ilvl119). The Caller's Pendent is is nice with the Regain and powered up version of that would be pretty sweet. And I'm sure that there are other jobs with accessories that are just as good, and worth keeping.

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The same could be said about the level 30 ring that's still used in several TP sets, but so far accessoires have also been kept out of the whole iLevel deal and I think that's great.
To be fair, I don't think that one needs an upgrade. So far I have had no problems flooring my perpetuation, and by adding enough refresh gear I have a near permanent upkeep paired with refresh, Elemental Siphon and Convert.

And the pendant gives 25 TP per tick (new count), that by itself is also overpowered as hell from melee perspective.

Right now I am a bit reluctant about upgrading my Summoner Artifact and Relic gear because when it was released the Empyrian armor was fantastic.
Considering the stats on the current 119 pieces are only marginally better than Empyrian right now I am expecting that the 109 and 119 Empyrian pieces will blow some of those pieces out of the water again.

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On a completely side note, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an Extreme Mode for the Avatars. The did have some nice items from the Regular and Hard Fights back in the day.

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I would be all for that, and a new Bahamut fight with a sweet new shiny staff while I am still working on my Nirvana would be groovy as well.

I'd actually like to see a 119 maat fight for empyrean upgrades.

I miss the set procs from my empy +2 ;_;

Reforged +1 is good and all, but its missing that little edge that Empy equipment has.
(aside from being stupidly powerful stat wise lol)

I still use my emp +2 set for bard. Really isn't a lot to replace it. Looking forward to the reforge so I am less likely to get blasted to bits while singing songs in range.

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Originally Posted by Damane

sorry to break your heart, but if gearswaping isnt a thing for you, you are playing the wrong game :X. XI was allways about gearswaps and sidegrades.

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overgeneralize much? I have no problem gearswapping when WSing, buffing, and the like. It's the time dependent swaps i don't like.... like swapping gear just because it's a certain time of day.

Some of the abbysea pieces look good. Thief and ninja look greath

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Originally Posted by Protey

overgeneralize much? I have no problem gearswapping when WSing, buffing, and the like. It's the time dependent swaps i don't like.... like swapping gear just because it's a certain time of day.

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ah yeah, i can agree on you then, this day of time/moonphase/wtfdirection gear is definitly something i dont like to see, and it has recently started to come up a bit. (Tenzen ammo, various other hardmode or delve 2.0 drops)

Yeah, i'm starting to wonder myself when this will be implemented for the reforged gears since I have been on pause of upgrading relic or even the artifact gears to my blu or whm while still wearing my Abby Plus 2 body, hands and head along with the rest of the NQ other area sets to the blu gears which was never handed an option to be upgraded in the abby areas of the past. Camate Have you stopped by this thread lately? ;-)

The theory is that Empyrean armor set-bonuses needed extra time to calculate on a 109-119 setting, and this is why reforged AF & Relic armors popped up really quickly but Empyrean is taking longer.

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Worse, 20 colorless souls per piece, for 109, then 100 Heavy Metal Plates for 119.

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http://forum.exotics4life.com/attach...2&d=1337906794

If this happens, I won't even bother working on empy armor

Honestly I'd be happy if they either add role-specific stats to new armor for reforged empyrean or add role-specific stats to any new ilevel adoulin gear.
(Examples; Healer gear with Healing cast time-, cure potency, fast cast, haste, mnd, etc.
pet job gear with damage taken- and pet: haste/acc/atk
Non-sam dd gear with decent stp and stats that make using it possible.
Reforged versions of current idle gear. (Basically anything that currently only has hp/mp/dt-/etc gets normal stats on top of it))

Yes please. But let's not get carried away reforging everything willy-nilly. people are QQing for reforged salvage gear and sky gear and abj gear, forget that. You're not seeing the big picture. the JSE sets are supposed to be integral to their jobs and need to be kept current. Reforging non job-specific gear is irrational. I know people liked those sets, so what say you calm down and be patient and maybe SE will have a return to that content like they've done with the high-tier battlefields and NNI etc. Sky V2? yes, please. I don't support reforging all the old 75 cap gear. I would however, be in favor of 75 cap content. Change ballista 60 to 75. Introduce 75 cap dungeon crawls that earn ilvl 119(+?) rewards. There is a huge untapped nostalgia market with 75 cap content. I saw a thread someone asking for an "old server to play on" talking about 75 cap content only. That isn't a good idea, but some 75 cap dungeon crawls or ballista is.

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Originally Posted by Stompa

The theory is that Empyrean armor set-bonuses needed extra time to calculate on a 109-119 setting, and this is why reforged AF & Relic armors popped up really quickly but Empyrean is taking longer.

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That's very likely. Besides it taking longer, the set bonuses could potentially break the game and render the AF119 and Relic119 armors obsolete or macro pieces at best in a hurry. I know all you power players have full 119 sets of both for multiple jobs, but some casual players (i'm not talking about myself) still don't have any 119 anything. It's way too soon for 119 empy gear. SE already releases new content faster than casuals can keep up with. I'm looking forward to the completion of seekers and them giving us a year or so to let the casuals catch up.

Also, we "lifers" who started this game when it came out (october 2003 in the US) are getting older, and more and more of us are having kids, which doesn't leave a lot of time for gaming. Kids who game all day don't stay on old games either. Pretty much everyone I know on FFXI is old. All the kids bounce to whatever is new. Can't wait til they all bounce off FF14 so it will fail like EQ2 and we get some of our staff back.

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Originally Posted by Janethetaru

Yes please. But let's not get carried away reforging everything willy-nilly. people are QQing for reforged salvage gear and sky gear and abj gear, forget that. You're not seeing the big picture. the JSE sets are supposed to be integral to their jobs and need to be kept current. Reforging non job-specific gear is irrational. I know people liked those sets, so what say you calm down and be patient and maybe SE will have a return to that content like they've done with the high-tier battlefields and NNI etc. Sky V2? yes, please. I don't support reforging all the old 75 cap gear. I would however, be in favor of 75 cap content. Change ballista 60 to 75. Introduce 75 cap dungeon crawls that earn ilvl 119(+?) rewards. There is a huge untapped nostalgia market with 75 cap content. I saw a thread someone asking for an "old server to play on" talking about 75 cap content only. That isn't a good idea, but some 75 cap dungeon crawls or ballista is.

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I disagree with this. What about people like me who aren't hardcore, but not totally casual either, but still have limited resources to upgrade? I've been largely holding off upgrading a ton of AF/Relic waiting on the Empy pieces. The stats on them destroy the other sets, and if not for the lack of stat vomit and evasion/magic evasion bonuses, they would be better than relic/AF upgraded already. So yes, once they receive the 109/119 treatment, they will likely be better than anything available right now. Why is it a bad thing though? Only sucks for brand new people or people too dumb to take advantage of the free seals and +2 upgrade items they've been giving us in the login campaigns. Thanks to those, I've completed 10 sets up to +2 and I'm really close on a few others.

I may have an idea of why it's actually taking so long:

They intend to include it with the first raise in the iLevel cap.

The delay makes more sense if NQ reforged Empy is going to be, say, 115 or 117, with the HQ at 129 instead.