Future Plans for Equipment

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

More skirmish armor upgrades really? That armor is so ugly, so generic, everyone has been super happy with the 109/119 AF reforged armor and getting out of that ugly skirmish junk.

You really need to consider doing a 109/119 of the AF2 (relic) or AF3 (empyrean set) , you really dont need to create more new different armor, just let us build on alot of our beloved pre existing pieces that we already carry around for JA/situational macro pieces.
We don't need item level higher than 119, seriously just let us 109/119 sidegrade for the next year AF2/AF3.

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Good News!
Matsui already said that the Relic and Empyrean sets will be iLvficated....
AND that they will be 119!
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I'd also bet that it requires 0 effort to have RUN and GEO's AF2 and 3 be 119... betting they'll be that "out of the box"... just like their RF1/AF1 is.
And while they might start at 109... that would mean that the 119 is "+4" for relic and empy pieces.... and chances are it'll just be 1 upgrade... no data to support that, just a feeling that 90ish gear will get an upgrade to 119 instead of a half upgrade.
(cause 50-60 to 109 was only to match the iLv of RUN and GEO's AF1... basically whatever the base iLv for RUN and GEO's relic and empy pieces will be will be the iLv step for everyone else...)
BUT he DID say that the method will be entirely different... which I suppose makes me suspect the straight-to-119 upgrade... cause... if not... why not just use the same pages?
Basically, in light of this new 119 skirmish sets... there will be 4 full 119 armor sets to pick and choose from, and then the random pieces here and there from Delve and the Ark Angels/Divine Might 2. (RF1+1, RF2, RF3, 119Skirmish)


And I like the skirmish sets pieces.... though if the 119 upgrade allowed to change the color of the model to either the pre-existing white or black version.... I'd REALLY like the skirmish sets more.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

Too many people are sitting on hundred of voidstones but are just scared/lazy to participate

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I'm not exactly sure I would call it laziness. At 1500 plates even at a 18 person party and a 33%~ish drop rate on singles as we have now you are looking at roughly 500 fights average. Going by pouch mobs it would be something more like a 5% drop with an average of 10 plates inside puts you at an average of roughly 170 fights. This is all assuming 18 player parties as well, if you are talking about 6-maning these fights then your looking at triple the rates, so 500~1500 fights.

As I said, I do not think laziness is exactly what I would call it, in a day and age when people did VW a lot and most people did not need plates, these trials still sucked, but they were more realistic because there was at very least some amount of supply, but today, when no one does VW really and the plate supply is near non-existent? 1500 plates is ludicrous.

I'm still supridsed that even with I level sheilds now, Aegis and Ochain were not part of the RME weapon sets (unless its part of the armor sets) getting reforged to ilev119. Even if they dont want to change the stats on them. Would any additional +sheild skill added to those two make a difference in how they would function?

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

I'm not exactly sure I would call it laziness. At 1500 plates even at a 18 person party and a 33%~ish drop rate on singles as we have now you are looking at roughly 500 fights average. Going by pouch mobs it would be something more like a 5% drop with an average of 10 plates inside puts you at an average of roughly 170 fights. This is all assuming 18 player parties as well, if you are talking about 6-maning these fights then your looking at triple the rates, so 500~1500 fights.

As I said, I do not think laziness is exactly what I would call it, in a day and age when people did VW a lot and most people did not need plates, these trials still sucked, but they were more realistic because there was at very least some amount of supply, but today, when no one does VW really and the plate supply is near non-existent? 1500 plates is ludicrous.

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If people want plates, start paying more to create incentive for more supply and stop clinging to paying the old 70-100k rate.
I know of 2 Ukons that did their plate stages completely in a few weeks recently because word got out they were paying 150k a plate.

I play on JP time and they do alot of VW and most of the plates they get sell out before NA/EU time, this same thing is happening for dynamis money in regards to supply, theres a huge demand spike right now, lot of people have gil to burn from farming RME cases/reforge mats from AAs and other things. This game is throwing gil at people right now doing certain activities.

Its really not as dire as people make it out to be, anyone in RoE gear can solo farm other content (salvage+dynamis) easily to make a couple million a day and bankroll the cost of rift/cinder/dross if they really want to make a 119 empyrean.

I'd like to see voidwatch armor sets be reforged/upgraded. It's the only ways to get people to actually do voidwatch. I'd be happy to lead some runs but there is zero point because it takes so long to get enough people with triggers and the rewards are not worth it. People are not paying enough for plates for it to be worthwhile. ALSO - the pulse armor is the nicest looking gear in the game. It seems stupid to leave it functionally worthless. Even if VW armor just could be taken to 117 or something that would be nice and help fill out options. There are some interesting gear pieces and since they can be used for several jobs they would be nice to have. If they made the upgrade items for voidwatch gear mostly be obtained THROUGH voidwatch it would be even better. Especially if it was just one kind of item used to upgrade all gears so we don't have to collect 2000 different kinds of do dad.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

If people want plates, start paying more to create incentive for more supply and stop clinging to paying the old 70-100k rate.
I know of 2 Ukons that did their plate stages completely in a few weeks recently because word got out they were paying 150k a plate.

I play on JP time and they do alot of VW and most of the plates they get sell out before NA/EU time, this same thing is happening for dynamis money in regards to supply, theres a huge demand spike right now, lot of people have gil to burn from farming RME cases/reforge mats from AAs and other things. This game is throwing gil at people right now doing certain activities.

Its really not as dire as people make it out to be, anyone in RoE gear can solo farm other content (salvage+dynamis) easily to make a couple million a day and bankroll the cost of rift/cinder/dross if they really want to make a 119 empyrean.

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Yeah, but you realize that that puts empyrian weapons at about 300 million gil to complete just up to 99, right? And that instead you could get a relic to 119 for 150 million gil, and get another one besides. And even if you did make the 119 empyrian, a relic/mythic/delve/ark angel weapon with the unlocked empyrian ws is still probably better anyway. Except for COR, which literally has no other weapon option, there's no real point in making an empyrian at that price. (And no COR is going to make one anyway, since 99% of COR's just put up rolls, and go afk or play as a shitty /WHM.)

That's all beside the point anyway. Doesn't matter how much money you have, when there's none up for sale. Most of the heavy metal plates in the last month were from the Kindred crest burning circles, which could drop singles and pouches, and were soloable by basically everyone. Thus there was an influx of them into the market, until that event ended. There really hasn't been an increase in the zero people doing voidwatch, there was just a new source for a few weeks.

Actually dood On our server we're doing Morta 6-7x daily... and there was a stretch of Qilin while Luloo was obtaining 1500 plates.

Bred Briste or Jaqen shouts morta every couple hours atm.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Actually dood On our server we're doing Morta 6-7x daily... and there was a stretch of Qilin while Luloo was obtaining 1500 plates.

Bred Briste or Jaqen shouts morta every couple hours atm.

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You mean the ones where they just zerg it to death as fast as humanly possible, without any triggers because they just want the fast merits for ark angel pops? Cause the single plates that can drop, with only lucky/accidental triggers ain't exactly flooding the market.

No...?

99% of them are capped, they don't go out of their way to bring loljobs like blu smn pup bst dnc so you cant ALWAYS get time:reward ratio 100% but 99% it's closeenough.jpg

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Yeah, but you realize that that puts empyrian weapons at about 300 million gil to complete just up to 99, right? And that instead you could get a relic to 119 for 150 million gil, and get another one besides. And even if you did make the 119 empyrian, a relic/mythic/delve/ark angel weapon with the unlocked empyrian ws is still probably better anyway. Except for COR, which literally has no other weapon option, there's no real point in making an empyrian at that price. (And no COR is going to make one anyway, since 99% of COR's just put up rolls, and go afk or play as a shitty /WHM.)

That's all beside the point anyway. Doesn't matter how much money you have, when there's none up for sale. Most of the heavy metal plates in the last month were from the Kindred crest burning circles, which could drop singles and pouches, and were soloable by basically everyone. Thus there was an influx of them into the market, until that event ended. There really hasn't been an increase in the zero people doing voidwatch, there was just a new source for a few weeks.

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Looking at the ffxiah site for your server, theres over 100 plates in bazaars right now.

On my server casually checking bazaars I can find 50-100 plates a day for my friend 119'ing his caladbolg.

Yes its expensive to 119 an empyrean, so are mythics, don't cry about the price, then contradict yourself again and say relic/aa/mythic are better anyways and empy is pointless, then say gil is irrelevant and say theres no plates for sale when there are some regulary up for sale. So much contradiction going on there.

People that want to finish a 119 empy that needs plates are getting them done because they make their own vw shouts and offer to buy plates/pouches on the spot. People complaining are not trying hard enough and not paying enough - thats all there is to it.

I usually avoid posting on the official forums, but i'm rather tired of people crying about the work and cost involved building and upgrading an RME and wanting it to be made more easymode. People suddenly want all of the prestige of owning a 119 RME without doing any of the work and would probably endlessly grind mandies in ceizak for an RME if they could.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

I'm not exactly sure I would call it laziness. At 1500 plates even at a 18 person party and a 33%~ish drop rate on singles as we have now you are looking at roughly 500 fights average. Going by pouch mobs it would be something more like a 5% drop with an average of 10 plates inside puts you at an average of roughly 170 fights. This is all assuming 18 player parties as well, if you are talking about 6-maning these fights then your looking at triple the rates, so 500~1500 fights.

As I said, I do not think laziness is exactly what I would call it, in a day and age when people did VW a lot and most people did not need plates, these trials still sucked, but they were more realistic because there was at very least some amount of supply, but today, when no one does VW really and the plate supply is near non-existent? 1500 plates is ludicrous.

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I think its a joke a lvl 90 ochain pld is best shield in game. Most pkds dont upgrade it and no shield has outclassed it ilvl.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

Looking at the ffxiah site for your server, theres over 100 plates in bazaars right now.

On my server casually checking bazaars I can find 50-100 plates a day for my friend 119'ing his caladbolg.

Yes its expensive to 119 an empyrean, so are mythics, don't cry about the price, then contradict yourself again and say relic/aa/mythic are better anyways and empy is pointless, then say gil is irrelevant and say theres no plates for sale when there are some regulary up for sale. So much contradiction going on there.

People that want to finish a 119 empy that needs plates are getting them done because they make their own vw shouts and offer to buy plates/pouches on the spot. People complaining are not trying hard enough and not paying enough - thats all there is to it.

I usually avoid posting on the official forums, but i'm rather tired of people crying about the work and cost involved building and upgrading an RME and wanting it to be made more easymode. People suddenly want all of the prestige of owning a 119 RME without doing any of the work and would probably endlessly grind mandies in ceizak for an RME if they could.

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I don't even know how to respond to this jibberish. Yes people are making them, that doesn't make it a good idea. I don't get how I'm contradicting myself when I point out that among all the 119 weapons, the empyrians are both the crappiest, AND the most expensive and difficult to get. When mythics end up cheaper than empyrians, there's a bit of an issue. Especially when the issue isn't difficult content that people aren't able to do because they suck, but old outdated content no one wants to do because it's pointless.

For instance, why would your friend waste his time making a 119 Caladbolg, when he could have got a 119 Ragnarok, and a 119 Apocalypse, both superior weapons, for the same price? Or make any at all when he can do potentially 1 ark angel fight and get a Tunglmyrkvi that is still far better than the caladbolg? Or go to the AH and buy a Senbaak Nagan for 3 million which is about equal? What is the point of the cheapier, easier, crappier alternative to relics, when they've become the more difficult, more expensive, crappier alternative to relics?

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Originally Posted by Louispv

What is the point of the cheaper, easier, crappier alternative to relics, when they've become the more difficult, more expensive, crappier alternative to relics?

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There have to be objectives for stupid people too dood. Why do you think they're always coming out with new shinies that are usually not really shiny at all...

If everyone always had the best stuff and weren't making 119 Caladbolgs and Gungnirs, who would we make fun of?

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Originally Posted by Louispv

I don't even know how to respond to this jibberish. Yes people are making them, that doesn't make it a good idea. I don't get how I'm contradicting myself when I point out that among all the 119 weapons, the empyrians are both the crappiest, AND the most expensive and difficult to get. When mythics end up cheaper than empyrians, there's a bit of an issue. Especially when the issue isn't difficult content that people aren't able to do because they suck, but old outdated content no one wants to do because it's pointless.

For instance, why would your friend waste his time making a 119 Caladbolg, when he could have got a 119 Ragnarok, and a 119 Apocalypse, both superior weapons, for the same price? Or make any at all when he can do potentially 1 ark angel fight and get a Tunglmyrkvi that is still far better than the caladbolg? Or go to the AH and buy a Senbaak Nagan for 3 million which is about equal? What is the point of the cheapier, easier, crappier alternative to relics, when they've become the more difficult, more expensive, crappier alternative to relics?

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While I agree their is little insensitive to go from 90 to 119 on many weapons, I would disagree that people who do comete it are stupid or dumb.

Many people complete emoy ar mythic weapons to 119 for love of there job or personal satasification.

I do feel empys should be buffed somehow. Maybe 20% more potency for club, staff or something. Or even add occult to aftermath for tp gain. I don't know. But many people can unlock empy and do mire dmg with the ws on relic mythric or even aa weapons. And many more weapons will come.

I think the important thing that needs to happen at this point, is to take all the different kinds of gear we've worked for over the years, and reforge it all so its all iLVL 119, to be equal with each other.

That way people can keep busy reforging, and mixing and matching stuff. Then we can wear our favorite gear, and it will all be on par. Of course minor differences here and there will be necessary, like macroing in for augments and different situations, etc...

Reforge all this! :D

1. AF
2. Relic
3. Empy
4. Salvage
5. Abjurations
6. Sky stuff
7. Limbus
8. Nyzul Isle
9. Assault

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Originally Posted by Griblit

Reforge all this! :D

4. Salvage

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<Yes, please>

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Originally Posted by Camate

First, the equipment we are currently planning to make upgradeable is the reward equipment from Rala Waterways, Cirdas Cavern, and Yorcia Weald skirmishes. You’ll be able to perform the final upgrade to item level 119 with the new skirmishes that are to be added.

Besides these items, we do not have any plans to upgrade other equipment with item levels. Also, we’ll be introducing brand-new rewards in the skirmishes to be added after the next round.

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In regards to upgrading gear from Skirmish. Can we please have the new skirmish gear be upgradeable in a similar system to delve? And the same for all other content going forward that will be augmented? Random augmenting is a horrible system and it doesn't prolong the life of your content. You get players who are willing to spend millions of gil on the upgrade items and ones like myself who will try a few times and give up because I know in a month or two. It'll be worthless so why do it.

With upgradeable paths for different stats you still prolong content because you give a very obtainable goal through hard work. And if you make the paths different and vary enough, you can make it so players are encouraged to make multiples of one item. Static progression is much more enjoyable than random progression, especially in this age of vertical progression in gear. Let us enjoy the gear at max for awhile, instead of the unlucky and impoverished finally getting max augments only to find it's about to get upgraded and wiped out.

Greetings,

Below is a follow-up comment from Akihiko Matsui in regards to adjustments related to items and content.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

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Please stop basing all of the adjustments around Ochain

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Matsui here.

When creating content, the development team play tests over and over for adjustment purposes, but they actually do not use Ochain, Daurdabla, or other similar equipment.

We adjust content so that even without RME weapons you are able to clear it as long as you have equipment with a high enough item level. This goes the same for extremely difficult content. (Naturally it’s not easy since it’s extremely difficult…)

With that said though, the people who are recruiting for parties may feel the responsibility of “we can’t lose!” and are searching for a safer party setup.

While this is a difficult issue, we would like to make it so you can all play more easily by working on things from various angles.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,
Below is a follow-up comment from Akihiko Matsui in regards to adjustments related to items and content.

When creating content, the development team play tests over and over for adjustment purposes, but they actually do not use Ochain, Daurdabla, or other similar equipment.

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I would love nothing more than to watch Matsui and his party attempt Very Difficult AA's (ESPECIALLY if he were to tank it using RUN)...

The problem I see is that the Emp/Relic instruments and shields are seemingly sacred cows that can never be allowed to be surpassed or even equaled, while most every other piece of equipment that I can think of has a viable alternative. I get that the devs painted themselves into a corner by making the instruments and shields so overpowered, but it seems like it's the players who are paying the price for it. What's even more a slap in the face is that at first it looked like Killedar would be made into a rival for Ochain, but the proposed stats were dialed back for whatever reason. I just don't get it.

If you knew what just an absolute pain it was to obtain Ochain, fighting with a thousand other people over t2 pops, and being denied color changes literally, hundreds of times... you might see why making something FREE on par or better than Ochain, would just be insane.

Obviously new things replace old things and make old things easier, etc. But souls are still the biggest time:reward sink ever created.... (barring alexandrite and plates)

Colorless soul farming is soul crushing...

And part of the reason the level 90 version is so good is because blocking wise both rate and dmg there is no difference between the 90 and 99 versions.


It should also be noted that ochain isn't even right now currently the best shield for blocking in the game for all situations. In dmg reduced per block it's actually slightly lower than koenig. That's right per block a cheap crafted lvl 75 shield blocks more dmg. And both aegis and killedar (and probably alot of the newer ilvl shields) block waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more dmg per block. The main thing is outside of the new ilvl ones and ochain blockrate is capped down around 65% without palisade/reprisal iirc. So overall dmg blocked is more with ochain/ilvl shields. That said iirc killedar already is fairly close to ochains overall block dmg on ~110 content and higher with block rate increases


Speaking of ilvl shields... does anyone know if eminent has some kind of hidden effect? All the weapons got latents which is what mainly boosted them to being better than the 115s.... but with just the visible stats eminent appears to be vastly inferior to killedar despite the same ilvl

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Originally Posted by Karah

If you knew what just an absolute pain it was to obtain Ochain, fighting with a thousand other people over t2 pops, and being denied color changes literally, hundreds of times... you might see why making something FREE on par or better than Ochain, would just be insane.

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Trust me, I've helped with enough peoples' souls that I should have my own Ochain by now. No one should have to go through all that just to make a job work. It's a disservice to the player base as a whole.

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Obviously new things replace old things and make old things easier, etc. But souls are still the biggest time:reward sink ever created.... (barring alexandrite and plates)

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And? You know that the real reason SE hasn't obsoleted the shields and instruments is because they're overpowered. It has nothing to do with their respect of your efforts.

Speaking as a Carnwenhan 119, Gjallarhorn 99, Daurdabla 90(working way to 99). A new 3 song instrument without any buff to Daurdabla is a slap in the face. As a career brd I strived to be the best bard possible. But if SE is going to make easier to get instruments, just because people want 3 songs brds, you'll get fewer and fewer career brds. Just because you have 3 songs doesn't make a good brd, you still need to know how to utilize it well from timing, song orders and priorities.

Greetings,

As we’ve mentioned before, the development team would like to add new shields and instruments so that both paladin and bard can have an easier time playing without being too focused on obtaining relics and empyreans. I'd like to share the development team's thoughts at the moment and what is planned for the future.

• Shields
  Currently, shield blocks and the amount of damage reduced are affected by the following:
  
  Damage reduced: type of shield and shield defense
  Block rate: type of shield, player shield skill, combat skill attributed to each monster
  
  Comparing Ochain and the easier to obtain Beatific Shield +1, damage reduction from the Beatific Shield is approximately 50%, while Ochain is around 60%, and the block rate, though it depends on the enemy, is very close between the two. On the other hand, the Killedar Shield’s damage reduction nearly reaches 70%, but the block rate is lower. While Ochain is still more powerful than both of these shields, we've managed to close the large gap that existed in the past.
  
  We plan on adding new item level 119 shields moving forward to close this gap even more.
  
  
• Instruments
  In the April version update we will be introducing a new instrument that grants an additional song. As this effect is extremely powerful, it won't be so easy to obtain; however, we'd like this to be another option in addition to Daurdabla.

While the treatment of powerful equipment can be difficult, we'd like to continue to increase other choices so that these jobs can join parties easier and have a more comfortable time playing.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

Speaking as a Carnwenhan 119, Gjallarhorn 99, Daurdabla 90(working way to 99). A new 3 song instrument without any buff to Daurdabla is a slap in the face. As a career brd I strived to be the best bard possible. But if SE is going to make easier to get instruments, just because people want 3 songs brds, you'll get fewer and fewer career brds. Just because you have 3 songs doesn't make a good brd, you still need to know how to utilize it well from timing, song orders and priorities.

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So as a pro bard, you have nothing to fear then.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Instruments
In the April version update we will be introducing a new instrument that grants an additional song. As this effect is extremely powerful, it won't be so easy to obtain; however, we'd like this to be another option in addition to Daurdabla.

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Will this new instrument "stack" with Daurdabla 90? Meaning owners of Daurdabla 90 will be able to get 4 songs with this instrument?

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Instruments
In the April version update we will be introducing a new instrument that grants an additional song. As this effect is extremely powerful, it won't be so easy to obtain; however, we'd like this to be another option in addition to Daurdabla.


While the treatment of powerful equipment can be difficult, we'd like to continue to increase other choices so that these jobs can join parties easier and have a more comfortable time playing.

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I appreciate the thought here. Unfortunately if it is too difficult to obtain the players that need it the most will not be able to get it. Basically the only BRDs that will be invited to the content where you can get it - will be the bards that already have a Dharp.

I know someone will say "level another job" or whatever - but the problem is it is EVEN HARDER to get a party for difficult content as a Damage Dealer than it is as a so-so bard.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

Speaking as a Carnwenhan 119, Gjallarhorn 99, Daurdabla 90(working way to 99). A new 3 song instrument without any buff to Daurdabla is a slap in the face.

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By your reasoning every DD with an RME was slapped in the face when Adoulin came out. You had a much longer wait before your dominance was challenged, so you really have nothing to complain about.

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As a career brd I strived to be the best bard possible. But if SE is going to make easier to get instruments, just because people want 3 songs brds, you'll get fewer and fewer career brds.

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I think you're mistaking the word career for princess. No worries. It's a common mistake.

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Just because you have 3 songs doesn't make a good brd, you still need to know how to utilize it well from timing, song orders and priorities.

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If skill is more important than gear then what the heck is your problem? It sounds like you just want to shut people out of your exclusive club or something.

Pretty much gonna echo everything Camiie said about the situation.

To begin with, Getting a 90 Daurd isn't hard. It's a bit time consuming.
I'd imagine the new instrument might be more on the difficult side with less time.
The difference is you will never get 2 songs with the new instrument, just 1.

If this new instrument required a lot less money/time and gave 2 songs, then you'd have a legitimate reason to whine.

actually Kari it's very hard. Competition to get the NMs is fierce. and before you say get a static, I've joined 3. all broke up before they even started on mine. I've gotten 8 souls so far, soloing on my rune because I got lucky and managed to get a claim while someone's static was busy and reacted just a second or 2 too slowly. between that, the low conversion rate on the abyssite and the long repop on the NMs I don't anticipate getting this anytime soon. and the 90-99 leg is going to be murder considering the volume of plates required, noone doing VW much and the requirement for procs meaning it cannot be meaningfully soloed.

My relic will be easier since I can solo it to 75, just needing time. but past that might be a problem if/when I have to go bard as even at 119 soloing is difficult on brd. I think my event shell will help on those fights since we can do most in a single run but I can't be certain, other players have their own priorities to make themselves tougher so making the bard even stronger for stuff we only do on events nights isn't as high on their priority list. And considering that I'm good enough as a bard that we beat most content with my measly 2 songs makes it even less of a priority-no content REQUIRES 3-4 songs to beat, it just makes it alot easier and more certain.

If anything, my worry is that a 3 song instrument will give them even less incentive to help me with the harp I really do want.

I own an Ochain and it was hellacious to get, but I am not bothered by the inclusion of these new shields, and welcome the new 3 song instrument as well.

In my perfect world Ochain/Aegis would remain the best shields and Daur/Gjaller the best instruments, but only by a small margin, would even love to see them reach iLv119, but I'd like the gap to be within something like 10~15% effectiveness of each other. Not the current world in which a max Daur literally double's a bard's effectiveness compared to any other option.

I still wish they would ease the requirements on getting Ochain, both the souls and the heavy metal plates part as well.

Shields, in actuality, are far closer, I tanked difficult AAs before getting my Ochain, with Beatific, and after recieving Ochain, I was surprised it wasn't a bigger difference, but I'm still satisified having done it, and would like to get it to 99 or 119, but as it is, I won't work on Heavy Metal Plates the way they are now.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

I think you're mistaking the word career for princess. No worries. It's a common mistake.

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That would explain my Pretty Princess Pally Tiara Coronet...

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

As we’ve mentioned before, the development team would like to add new shields and instruments so that both paladin and bard can have an easier time playing without being too focused on obtaining relics and empyreans. I'd like to share the development team's thoughts at the moment and what is planned for the future.

• Shields
  Currently, shield blocks and the amount of damage reduced are affected by the following:
  
  Damage reduced: type of shield and shield defense
  Block rate: type of shield, player shield skill, combat skill attributed to each monster
  
  Comparing Ochain and the easier to obtain Beatific Shield +1, damage reduction from the Beatific Shield is approximately 50%, while Ochain is around 60%, and the block rate, though it depends on the enemy, is very close between the two. On the other hand, the Killedar Shield’s damage reduction nearly reaches 70%, but the block rate is lower. While Ochain is still more powerful than both of these shields, we've managed to close the large gap that existed in the past.
  
  We plan on adding new item level 119 shields moving forward to close this gap even more.
  
  
• Instruments
  In the April version update we will be introducing a new instrument that grants an additional song. As this effect is extremely powerful, it won't be so easy to obtain; however, we'd like this to be another option in addition to Daurdabla.

While the treatment of powerful equipment can be difficult, we'd like to continue to increase other choices so that these jobs can join parties easier and have a more comfortable time playing.

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I'm all for more non-RME options, but this feels like a little bandaid to the bigger issue. Yes this gives more non-RME users opportunities to participate in endgame boss fights, but at the end of the day, it still doesn't do anything to change the already monopolizing demand for Paladins and Bards. There are other jobs in the game you know..

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Originally Posted by Peepiopi

I'm all for more non-RME options, but this feels like a little bandaid to the bigger issue. Yes this gives more non-RME users opportunities to participate in endgame boss fights, but at the end of the day, it still doesn't do anything to change the already monopolizing demand for Paladins and Bards. There are other jobs in the game you know..

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What jobs do you put in the parties you create for endgame activities?

I wish SE would buff other jobs so its not a seven to eight job game even though 22 jobs I game. Why can't cor and geo have an extra buff to give out?

Why cant war sam drk drg blu be buffed enough to be able to do endgame like mnk and rng?

SE shouldn't try to give options to fix a problem they made, but bring back Tanaka as he at least had job balance. Their is no balance right now.

While you are at it, for high end battlefields you should introduce a new item NOt AA fights but DM, the two tower fights and others. "Blank page" This item can be traded to a NPC for a chapter of your choice 6-10. This would make people do the fights.

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Originally Posted by Kimjongil

I wish SE would buff other jobs so its not a seven to eight job game even though 22 jobs I game. Why can't cor and geo have an extra buff to give out?

Why cant war sam drk drg blu be buffed enough to be able to do endgame like mnk and rng?

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I agree although to some extent this is impossible to balance, or SE is incapable of balancing it. They have shown everything either hits to light to matter(Delve) or hit to hard to survive(AAs). In the first category everyone complains it's to easy and the difficulty lies solely in killing the monsters fast enough to finish the event, while they often add stupidly overpowered attacks in the mix to make up for the easier enemies such as Encumbrance, Weakness, Death, Doom, or Zombie. In the second category everyone takes only PLD, MNK, and RNG, due to the fact that PLD can mitigate a ton of DMG, MNK has the highest HP and can take a lot of DMG, and RNG is able to do a ton of DMG from a distance without pulling hate which allows them to take no DMG. So long as content falls into these 2 categories, things won't change much.

MNK also holds to much utility, not only is it the DD with the highest DPS but it also has the most HP, a JA to boost it's and everyone else's HP, and JA that lets it be the best magical DD there is. That results in a job which is basically made to be perfect. Why bring a DRK when it's only doing DMG? A MNK does more magic based DMG than a DRK ever could hope to hold a candle to and DPS wise DRK falls behind a MNK so far as I know, not only that but the MNK will take more hits. The same thing goes to WAR, but WAR is even worse off with no magic damage. DRG can lower monster's DEF and has the highest Accuracy in the game which is an edge for it, while BLU has a lot of things it can do, but neither in the end surpass MNK either.

To fix this though they would have to buff every DD to have great magic DMG while also giving them all an HP boost and more utility abilities overall so that they don't become a MNK clone.

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SE shouldn't try to give options to fix a problem they made, but bring back Tanaka as he at least had job balance. Their is no balance right now.

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Tanaka was no better, he made worse content by far, you could argue he had more job balance but nothing has really changed for the jobs except for the new weapons, which admittedly MNK's was unbalanced by the amount of skill placed on it and how MNK works, but outside of that nothing has actually changed in the end. The thing that changed job balance the most was the fact that PD went away as being a viable solution to all our problems, back when PD & Embrava were the be all end all solutions we did things like Legion using them and a verity of DDs. If PD never existed I have no doubt that eventually MNKs and Mantra cycles would have become the norm there too, we just took till Adoulin for it to happen because it wasn't till Adoulin that PD really fell out of use. If anything I would say the jobs were less balanced under him in the end though because at least Matsui has introduced things that have helped balance some of the more broken jobs such as the Animators which made PUP Automatons better, the Blood Pact Recast II stat that has helped fix SMN up a bit, and so on. In all honesty I feel like they are more balanced than before but at the same time still broken, Tanaka wasn't better when it came to balance in my opinion but he wasn't much worse either.

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While you are at it, for high end battlefields you should introduce a new item NOt AA fights but DM, the two tower fights and others. "Blank page" This item can be traded to a NPC for a chapter of your choice 6-10. This would make people do the fights.

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This I agree with completely. The fact it's random is a massive disincentive to do it, that and the low drop rate on the battery which seems like its 1%... those drop rates never made anyone want to do a piece of content.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

I agree although to some extent this is impossible to balance, or SE is incapable of balancing it. They have shown everything either hits to light to matter(Delve) or hit to hard to survive(AAs). In the first category everyone complains it's to easy and the difficulty lies solely in killing the monsters fast enough to finish the event, while they often add stupidly overpowered attacks in the mix to make up for the easier enemies such as Encumbrance, Weakness, Death, Doom, or Zombie. In the second category everyone takes only PLD, MNK, and RNG, due to the fact that PLD can mitigate a ton of DMG, MNK has the highest HP and can take a lot of DMG, and RNG is able to do a ton of DMG from a distance without pulling hate which allows them to take no DMG. So long as content falls into these 2 categories, things won't change much.

MNK also holds to much utility, not only is it the DD with the highest DPS but it also has the most HP, a JA to boost it's and everyone else's HP, and JA that lets it be the best magical DD there is. That results in a job which is basically made to be perfect. Why bring a DRK when it's only doing DMG? A MNK does more magic based DMG than a DRK ever could hope to hold a candle to and DPS wise DRK falls behind a MNK so far as I know, not only that but the MNK will take more hits. The same thing goes to WAR, but WAR is even worse off with no magic damage. DRG can lower monster's DEF and has the highest Accuracy in the game which is an edge for it, while BLU has a lot of things it can do, but neither in the end surpass MNK either.

To fix this though they would have to buff every DD to have great magic DMG while also giving them all an HP boost and more utility abilities overall so that they don't become a MNK clone.

Tanaka was no better, he made worse content by far, you could argue he had more job balance but nothing has really changed for the jobs except for the new weapons, which admittedly MNK's was unbalanced by the amount of skill placed on it and how MNK works, but outside of that nothing has actually changed in the end. The thing that changed job balance the most was the fact that PD went away as being a viable solution to all our problems, back when PD & Embrava were the be all end all solutions we did things like Legion using them and a verity of DDs. If PD never existed I have no doubt that eventually MNKs and Mantra cycles would have become the norm there too, we just took till Adoulin for it to happen because it wasn't till Adoulin that PD really fell out of use. If anything I would say the jobs were less balanced under him in the end though because at least Matsui has introduced things that have helped balance some of the more broken jobs such as the Animators which made PUP Automatons better, the Blood Pact Recast II stat that has helped fix SMN up a bit, and so on. In all honesty I feel like they are more balanced than before but at the same time still broken, Tanaka wasn't better when it came to balance in my opinion but he wasn't much worse either.

This I agree with completely. The fact it's random is a massive disincentive to do it, that and the low drop rate on the battery which seems like its 1%... those drop rates never made anyone want to do a piece of content.

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Keep in mind, they nerfed twilight scythe. Magic dmg scythe for drk. But they don't nerf mnk JA process for magic. They nerf blood weapon, making monsters resist it or immune to it. But they don't nerf monks JA or hundred fist. They don't let souleater gear stack but will let counter or store TP.

They won't give blu a sword with +150-200 blu magic, or potency or magic. There are many things they could do. But they nerfed drk way into the ground and buffed mnk to their being little to no point in playing other jobs. YOu won't see invites andbe laughed at.

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Originally Posted by Peepiopi

it still doesn't do anything to change the already monopolizing demand for Paladins

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Beatific ain't exactly PLD-only.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

What jobs do you put in the parties you create for endgame activities?

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The good ones, just like everyone else, which is the point of his gripe that he needs to do something of the sort.