You stay classy, FFXI.

I reported the fish bots in glacier a couple times but they didn't get banned or anything so I just stopped caring about it.

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Originally Posted by Bersty

I stated it as one example (a recent one at that) where something was announced as a footnote without prior discussion with the player base. i.e. supporting my stance of recklessness.

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They don't have to have a discussion with the player base to fix unintended issues, though. They also notified us prior to the update that it was going to be fixed. Byrth linked to the heads up earlier in this thread. If someone raced to build that weapon after it was boosted to an unintended height in power, then that sucks, but shows why someone shouldn't chase every bandwagon in an MMO.

However, I think yourself and most other owners of the weapon made it or decided to work on it prior to that point in time.

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Originally Posted by Tohihroyu

Fishbotting died down? um.. No it hasn't-- there's always at least 24 or more in Beau fishboting-- "But Tohi most of them are MON! Stop blaming bots! take off the tinfoil hat bawww errbody dose it why can't you?" bullcrap, I went there as MON and the WHOLE seaside was swarmed with fish bots & fishbotters I maybe saw one other person running around as a monster, thats it. The only way fishbotting is gonna die down is if they make Goblin Bounty Hunters level 200+ and Agro fishing players who have been fishing far longer than any human player should. Sure they ended many an RMT activity but there is still fishbotters and non "Chinese gil farmer" RMT because most of the remaining players encourage RMT & botting, unlike years before if you MPK'd RMT or botters you where cheered on over it (if GM's caught you tho you still got in trouble.) now? don't you dare! or the wrath of the seven deadly sins and his many many other bots-- err I mean "mules" will be after you because you "ruined business":rolleyes:

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They need to just nerf fishing to hell till it makes 0 money via NPC then make new mage foods and meaningful foods which use fish as materials. Kill fish botting for money, because there are no other real options. The next best thing to do is make everyone always in Belligerency in that zone, so MON players can kill the bots, but then legit fishers suffer too, and you can't make it so they get that if they don't move long enough, people will just update their stuff to work around it. Its also important to note that many people who fish bot do not even seem to be RMTs anymore, just normal players who are to lazy to make money and wreck the economy for their own beneficial gain.

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Originally Posted by Bersty

U mad bro?

I don't quite understand how your interpretation of my post being tearful in nature whatsoever. I stated it as one example (a recent one at that) where something was announced as a footnote without prior discussion with the player base. i.e. supporting my stance of recklessness.

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You want recklessness? Recklessness would have been them keeping a gun far above all other ranged weapons in terms of DPS because of an error. Recklessness would have been allowing an exception to a single weapon to make it massively stronger than others and then not changing anything. You're overreacting on something that was very likely done by accident and fixed, if your going to quit because of that, so long,

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It's called having an objective opinion

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Thats the exact opposite of what you seem to have actually.

An objective opinion is without bias, based on facts rather than personal feelings on the matter. The weapon was overpowered when compared to others of its class, thus, it should have been nerfed, that is my opinion, I have no benefit to gain from this outcome, nor do I have something to lose, its based off of fact, and so it is an objective opinion.

A subjective opinion is with bias, you have exhibited this I believe, from what I can tell your opinion is based on the fact you were working on it at the time and did not know the nerf was incoming, and thus when it happened, you got angry and are now quitting. There is a difference between an objective and subjective opinion, your exhibiting subjective from what I can tell, not an objective opinion as you claim.

Only problem with killin npc prices is you hurt legit people who farm this way without botting. This has happened tons of times already. Yea i know everyone says how easy gil is to come by these days but if its so worthless and plentiful please do send me alot. Please note i do not have fish leveled high enough to take advantage of these npcable fish, but ive seen this crap before, like when they killed demon weapons in castle Z a week after i finally got thf leveled high enough to farm there. Everything i have done for gil seems to get killed before i can make use of it lol, but thats just my luck.

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Originally Posted by Trumpy

Only problem with killin npc prices is you hurt legit people who farm this way without botting. This has happened tons of times already. Yea i know everyone says how easy gil is to come by these days but if its so worthless and plentiful please do send me alot. Please note i do not have fish leveled high enough to take advantage of these npcable fish, but ive seen this crap before, like when they killed demon weapons in castle Z a week after i finally got thf leveled high enough to farm there. Everything i have done for gil seems to get killed before i can make use of it lol, but thats just my luck.

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I know it would hurt people, trust me, but the simple fact is there are far more people who abuse it than people who don't, and those who do this legitimately are still hurting the economy no different then when they nerfed Chocobo Blinkers, sure, we were all mad when it happened, and many blamed RMTs for it, but that view was short sighted for all of us because no one saw the harm it did to the economy, and with fishing its 10 times worse, sure, it does less damage because its not as widespread, but the fact that its not widespread is what makes it even worse, so few people are able to do it that it hurts so many more people as a result. At least with Blinkers, we all had the power, it was fast, easy, and available, but with fishing, its much more difficult to get into, especially legitimately. The thing is, thats why I said we need new crafts to use fishing, people who bot for money are unlikely to go all in with it when their entire profit relies on the AH and crafters than just NPCs, which I think is why it would work out much better and still keep some good profit in it for people who legitimately do it, I could be wrong though.

Too bad there can't be some kind of compromise when it comes to NPC prices. Say after selling 5 of the same item to a vendor, that item drops in resale value until the next Earth day. Let people bot until they are sitting on 200 fish but that is going to take 2 months to sell. Doesn't really hurt people who do it casually and would encourage people to diversify their sources of income.

Thats really what I am saying with the AH basically, just through player market rather than via NPCs, NPCs are too easy to abuse and it would still create gil that way which is bad in large amounts either way.

I tried blinkers like maybe 2-3 times. It was boring and made me want to beat my skull against a wall. Each time i only did it cause i needed 1-400k gil for something. Ive never been rich. the most ive ever had was like 3-4 mil, which i never had long and i been playing since day one. But from what i gathered "Everyone" did it, prolly more legit people than RMTs and so much so that people claimed gil was worthless which i never understood cause they would never give me any if it was so worthless.

Now I have no idea how these things correlate though but, When you level certain crafts there is generally an item that you make big bang gil from making when you are really high level crafter. For fishing there arent so many craft items like that. maybe a few fish used for food but not many. As i understand it you need to put some work in it to fish what they npc in glacier? maybe ebisu? I am not sure at all. So maybe npc prices are set that way to make up for lack of a "big money item." Yea and i have heard the argument before that you dont spend nearly as much gil to level fishing to high levels. But gettin an ebisu isnt really cake is it? Please correct me if i am wrong bout the level of fish skill and rod to fish up what people npc for gils there.

Well the thing is, almost every single one I have ever seen fish, both fish gil via botting, and skilled to get there via botting, as well as got their Ebisu via the same thing.

Crafting sucks up a ton of money, fishing hardly any by compare, and crafting is faster to skill than fishing, most people who craft likely also bot, but its not as noticeable, and crafting does not create gil, it creates items from other items which are then put in circulation through the market, and the creator gets gil from someone else who already had it, whereas NPCing fish creates gil from nothing.

Blinkers did this same thing with gil being created which is the only reason I brought it up, people literally created gil from air by NPCing a massive amount of things for a massive amount of gil.

But, for the difficulty, you are right so far as I know, the fish does need high skill and such, the only thing is that I still don't count that for much when considering that most people who fish bot the rod, skill, and their gil all the same, since so far as I know it all comes from fishing in the end.