Trust Suggestions

Huh..., You'd think a bug as obvious and prevalent as an NPC casting cure every 10 seconds would have been picked up in the beta testing of it... glad its being nixed though, that was just scary to watch... curing and curing and curing...

Also, I like the trust system, a lot, hope they don't drop it like its hot like they did with Adventuring Fellows :D

please make it possible to use trust npcs in voidwatch, on my server there is very rarely a shout for voidwatch chapter progress.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Huh..., You'd think a bug as obvious and prevalent as an NPC casting cure every 10 seconds would have been picked up in the beta testing of it... glad its being nixed though, that was just scary to watch... curing and curing and curing...

Also, I like the trust system, a lot, hope they don't drop it like its hot like they did with Adventuring Fellows :D

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It just dawned on me, they could be curing themselves because their level updates in real time. So when you switch to your Weaponskill gear or whatever and your item level changes, their HP changes, and if it goes up, they'll cure themselves to top off their HP.. if it goes down, when you switch back to your normal set the HP will return the normal and again, they'll cure.

I guess it makes more sense how they missed it

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Originally Posted by Gruic_Geoffrey

And what about our own fellowship we lvled for hours ?

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Greetings,

With the advent of the Trust Initiative there have been quite a few comments regarding adventuring fellows, and below is a comment from Akihiko Matsui in regards to this.

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Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui

Matsui here.

I’d like to comment a bit about our future plans for adventuring fellows.

Increasing the level cap of adventuring fellows to level 99 and having item level support is by no means beyond our reach.

However, we also need to add adventuring fellow quests as well as add text and cutscenes for each race and gender, and this will require a bit more time than normal quests.

Currently, we are prioritizing the implementation of Adoulin missions, new battle content, and job adjustments, and there is still a lot of content that we’ve decided needs adjusting, so it’s difficult at the moment to create the quests for these right away.

Similar to the quests from level 70 to 95, we have been looking into increasing the level cap via the Magian system; however, there are also quite a number of people who are looking for more fellowship quests, and since this of course a benchmark where adventuring fellows will become level 99, I’d like to prepare the proper story quests.

Please give us a bit more time to look into the expansion of the adventuring fellow system.

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While you do that please, may you add diferent quest weapons for fellows, let them use REM Weapons and eventually REM weapons skill, i dont think that is going to hurt someone, of course using fellow points

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

With the advent of the Trust Initiative there have been quite a few comments regarding adventuring fellows, and below is a comment from Akihiko Matsui in regards to this.

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Hmmm... so they can make a lot of cs for Trust but can't make 2 cs for the fellowship... it's Cait sith syndrome all over again.

Anyway, than you very much for the feedback.

They don't HAVE to add quests or CS. Just make the current final trial unlock them to 99 instead of 95. /shrug

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Trust is about the worst thing ever added next to monstrosity. The NPCs are about worthless if you're fighting anything stronger than gustaberg bees.

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Last I knew, Monstrosity was one of the things that not only has brought people back or kept them here, but its been accepted by many to be one of the better systems added to the game recently, and one of the funnest side things in the game to do, on top of not requiring others to do it and enjoy it. So, if by worst thing added since Monstrosity, you mean, its a feature many people will use and think highly of in the future once some kincks are kicked out of it, I agree with you. If you meant it badly though, your vision of both things seems a bit warped.

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Originally Posted by Gruic_Geoffrey

Hmmm... so they can make a lot of cs for Trust but can't make 2 cs for the fellowship...

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Admittedly, you're making it sound a bit different than it really is. A quest for a Trust NPC, going by those we have thus far, is literally as simple as making some dialog for NPCs, throwing in some animations, and you're done. For all of the Quest ones there are no items involved, no fights, no real requirements, nothing, its as simple as talk to 2 NPCs, watch the CS, and you're done. Now, compare that to Adventuring Fellow NPCs which have quests that involve not just talking and animations, but then a range of areas you have to go to, battles that need be fought, more cutscenes there, and all of that, on top of the fact that like they said, they have to make special edits to it for every race and face that your NPC can have. To me at least it makes some sense.

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Originally Posted by Anjou

Posted this for him.

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Thank you.



By the way, if anyone wants info on Trust, I have a thread I made here on FFXIAH.com that I plan to keep updated with all of the latest info on the NPCs and Trust itself, from Jobs, Spells and WSs, to Bugs and future NPCs.

I just hope, that seeing as how Lilisette is a planned Trust NPC...
HOPEFULLY that means that the fix for letting... pretty much everything that isn't directly targeted to the Trust NPCs... BPs... Sambas... Wyverns... etc... will also finally be able to affect Fellows too.
Cause seeing as how Lilisette is a DNC... it'll be pretty gimp to have her summon have self-sambas only...

(also: 2hrs? Can that be a thing? Fellows get a "2hr" after doing Blessed Radiance... and many/most higher-than-60 mobs have access to their jobs' 2hrs... so... why not Trust NPCs? If Fellows can go iLvs... which would imply that we could take them to Adoulin... because... why bother with 119 Fellows in the mainland? I don't think it'd be too crazy if Trust NPCs had access to their appropriate 2hrs after say... lv60? That seems to be the level mobs "gain" their 2hr access... so why not Trust NPCs too.)

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

HOPEFULLY that means that the fix for letting... pretty much everything that isn't directly targeted to the Trust NPCs... BPs... Sambas... Wyverns... etc... will also finally be able to affect Fellows too.

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That is a bug they have already said they plan to address in the future.

A few notes:

While this post implies that Excenmille and Curilla do battle differently, I am quite frankly disappointed at how redundant their AIs are. In my first experience using them in a Trust Party together, it was a repeated occurrence that, after I engaged the monster, they would both use Sentinel, and subsequently cast Flash, simultaneously. Even when Sentinel was down, they would still often cast Flash at the same time, effectively wasting the MP of one of them. This is particularly disappointing, since if their tactics truly are one and the same, then Excenmille is almost always preferable over Curilla for his superior damage output. But, I like Curilla as a character more . . .

Also, there are myriad suggestions for Kupipi and, for the most part, I agree with them all, but in particular what I want to point out is the distinct lack of Haste. Keeping a whole 5-person band (myself, my Fellow, and three alter egos) Hasted by my lonesome is a particularly tricky and unfun task (particularly when I'm keeping most members Refreshed as well). Seeing as I didn't sign up for a return to the ToAU days when Red Mages were basically expected to do that, giving us more NPCs to cast Haste and ease that burden would be greatly appreciated.

In fact, you know what would be awesome? Having a Summoner NPC with enough innate skill for a activating a maximum-duration Hastega. I would use such an NPC pretty much forever.

Then you are getting into very... difficult, allies I think. Your talking about us summoning a partner to summon an avatar. I think that may be goin a bit far, I would like to see it, but I think its going a bit far.

When you add Aphmau/Nashmeira, PLEASE add Mnejing and Ovjang as Trust NPCs too! That way, we can call all three of them at once in case we don't want to call a version of Aphmau who has had her soul ripped from her chest.

And when Prishe is added, please make her function as both a full-fledged WHM and MNK.

Regarding Lilisette, Seeing as Zeid is already showing that NPCs are getting unique abilities. Lilisette will probably get some of her special attacks from the fight with Cait Sith Ceithir mixed in with Dagger WS. Which I'd be completely fine with, she has a nice arsenal.

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Whirling Edge: Single-target damage.
Sensual Dance: Grants Attack Bonus to all party members in range and afflicts Attack Down and Magic Attack Down to Cait Sith Ceithir.
Thorned Stance: Grants Lilisette a Defense Bonus.
Vivifying Waltz: Heals herself and party members within range. Used less frequently than her other abilities.
Rousing Samba: Greatly increases Lilisette's Critical Hit Rate, possibly to 100%. Effect is granted to party members engaged with Cait Sith Ceithir. Possibly other unconfirmed effects. Used when Lilisette says: "Olé! Go and wreak havoc, people! Troupe Mayakov style!" Used less frequently than her other abilities.

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Regarding Curilla, I always thought she was a Red Mage all this time. All of the Red Mage artifact armor quests defer to her and her father's ghost is the Red Mage you're getting your gear from. She could be different by letting her use Tier 2 Debuffs/Enspells/Haste/Refresh instead of being another PLD. We are about to get Trion this week. We got enough PLD-type.

Regarding pet classes, I don't think it should be that difficult to add pet classes. They are simply an NPC you have absolutely no control over except engage/disengage/dismiss. Some ideas to make it work could be:

• Summoner NPC operates similar to Summoner monsters during Astral Flow. Summon Avatar. Avatar uses effect on target. Avatar disappears.
• Pet classes being a different group of Trust. Allowing you only to summon that Trust NPC. Example: Summon Nashmeira. She summons Mnejing and Ovjang. Both puppets are counted as Trust NPC party members. They all work together and you can heal/buff them like party members. You can only Dismiss Aphmau which dismisses the other two. If she dies, they dismiss.

Throwing ideas out there.

Get rid of it.

Game wasn't easy enough Twille? ;)

Not sure if it has been said yet but geomancer auras don't seem to work on trust npcs

I'm not in a linkshell, so this new system helps so much! I hope in the future I can take the trust npc's with me to do bcnm's.

Also, can you make it possible to make them attack when I'm attacked by mobs without engaging?

Ok, so, current new feedback.

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Originally Posted by My_post_on_FFXIAH.com

I think its safe to say Ajido is better than Shantotto in every way.

Shantotto: She does not Auto-Attack, she spams nukes back to back always using the highest tier and a random element unless the monster has to low health, she will use lower tiers for killing blows. She also will not cast or perform any actions from what I could see when she has hate. Overall she seems to just be a standard BLM, which is fairly lackluster and drags her down.

Ajido-Marujido: He will Auto-Attack with a Mammet H2H Style(looks like he is constantly using force push on everything), he spams nukes back to back in exactly the same way as Shantotto, lower tiers to finish mobs off and such. While he has hate he will still Auto-Attack, and he can even provide cure and enfeebling support! Overall, I think he is a BLM/RDM like he was in the Windy Mission line, making him much more effective.

To compare damage per nuke. Shantotto hit a Fluffy Sheep(Lv.100) for 1965 with Thunder V. Ajido hit the same Sheep seconds later with a Thunder V for 1948. Ajido's melee DMG alone should more than make up for his mediocre nuke differences, and the differences themselves are likely due to nothing more than a higher INT level since Shantotto is likely a BLM/BLM instead of just a BLM/nothingatall.

Next update we need NPCs to get Magic Damage as a stat, since right now its massively lacking, T5 Nukes are only hitting for 2k where they should do much more, T2s I have seen are in the 400s or so, with a 119 weapon thats no different than how all NPCs were last update.

Also I agree Shantotto should have a Staff, at very least they need to give her a metric ****-ton of Magic Damage to make her nukes far stronger than the others due to that handicap.

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How to fix Shantotto.

Shantotto needs a staff, she teaches us the Staff WS, she talks about being a combat mage, and she has a Staff in Dissidia even, yet, she lacks a Staff here as well as any WS at all. If you give her a Staff and a few WSs like Spirit Taker and Shattersoul it will work wonders for her and make her much more usable.

Shantotto, as well as Ajido, both need Magic Damage from our item levels. You just gave melee NPCs a boost to DMG from our item levels which is great and helped a lot, but, you did nothing for magic, which I understand, its new and untested so thats fair. But, in the end, you have to give them Magic Damage, right now these nukes are just not good enough, 400s on T2s and 2000s or so on T5s is horrible, not to mention they are horribly inefficient with their MP and are dry as a bone in only a few nukes because of it.

The last thing to say on this note is Shantotto should have a higher level of Magic Damage/Magic Attack than Ajido. Ajido is just slightly weaker than her, a difference comparable to a few points of INT, hardly a difference, and yet Ajido has so many other benefits, Cures, Enfeebles, the ability to melee, all of these things to stack in his favor which makes Shantotto just feel flat out weak.

Please make some of these changes. I know you said messing with weapons would be more difficult and you want to add more NPCs first, but, that was in the case of Nanaa, a minor NPC, in this event though you are talking about Shantotto. She is the reality crossing Taru we see popping up in other games as well as here, I think its fair to say she's more important, and should have this adjustment sooner rather than later.

May we please get Semih LeFinah or Perih Vashai as a Ranged type Fighter for trust?

(You could explain that the trust magic, allows you to bring forth, your best memories of a person, so if you've finished WotG (which would make Perih available) Her alter Ego would be in her WotG gear and not be blind.

1. Trust does not impose an experience penalty, but partying with human players (even duo/trio) penalizes EXP. This discourages and punishes players for socializing and making friends. Parties of six or fewer members should not be penalized for EXP. This will balance Trusting and Partying/Duoing/Trioing. Right now, if a real-life friend of mine joins the game, my friend would be punished EXP-wise for partying with me instead of soloing with Trust NPCs.
   
2. The fact that trust NPCs' levels dynamically adjust based on item levels is unbalanced for SMN, whose level 99 staves are more useful than item level staves (except for blood pact macros and Nirvana 119). If I want my trust NPCs to be competent when farming/doing RoE in Adoulin, I have to use an item level staff full-time that wastes my MP. I think Trust NPCs should have their stats based on the item level of equipment when they're called. I have a 117 staff. I'll gladly equip it when summoning my trust NPCs. But please don't penalize me just because my level 99 Bahamut's Staff is better than my level 117 Eminent Staff except when using Blood Pacts. Another possible solution? Give us perpetuation -3 or more on an item level staff please.
   
   Note for forum trolls who are about to quote me and troll: I have refresh +2 with Eminent Staff equipped, weapon drawn, and a standard avatar out, but refresh +3 with Bahamut's Staff, weapon drawn, and a standard avatar out. I'm not lacking for perpetuation reduction armor, but I would like my +3 refresh with an avatar out.

I have noticed the Attack/Accuracy of NPCs needs to go up when summoned with ilevel weapons, it seems to me that in Kamihr their accuracy is not capped, which being 6 levels above a mob, it should be capped.

I can't stress enough how much I've enjoyed this addition to the game!

I'm just hoping there is some way they can open it up and you can summon NPCs anywhere including BCNMs and Abyessa.

For the sake of consistency, the developers may want to have certain NPCs only summonable in the past and have separate sets of trust NPCs for different areas.

The most annoying aspect of this game was to wait around for parties to form to accomplish things then by the time you got your 6th member, someone else had to go... I feel an expanded trust system would replace all those issues and lead to more people coming back to the game and staying with it. Lord knows there's enough content to keep people busy for seemingly forever.

For those worried that expanded trust would make the game too easy for them, don't use it.

Guildwars had an awesome system that allowed players to mix with their NPCs to form a complete party or alliance. Please implement this. I see too many people in wildskeeper reives soloing (not because of being selfish in most cases, but because they are afraid other players won't heal, support, or tank for them). If we could party up, or even form alliances with our trust npcs. It would free up a lot of content in the game. Also, damage and defense needs to adjusted a little better on some of them to match gear of certain levels, not to mention if shantoto isn't going to attack, she should stand at max cast distance from the mob... Also kupipi needs auto-refresh and auto-regen comparable to players of the same level and equipment.


Actually, just take to the next step and allow us to equip them with different types of weapons and gear which maybe adjusts how their AI will work, or have a quest that allows us to unlock the ability to do that. I could honestly see a lot of players scrambling to quest for gear and upgrades for their trust companions.

Who was that male mithra that I got to see in one of the WotG cutscenes? I'd like to see the character used more than just that little bit. They took the time to design him, why not use him?

And maybe that NIN Yagudo that was in the past as well. Although being a beastman, maybe that's for a different version of Trust.

Which would also be kinda cool, since Shantoto made up her own version of Trust, maybe there could be a "dark arts" version of Trust? Maybe, Confidence? Emphasis on the "CON."

I would REALLY like to see Esha'ntarl added as a Trust NPC (either her normal version or her Abyssea version).

I'm also sick of having Prishe rammed down my throat.

Hume: 6
Elvaan: 4
Tarutaru: 3
Mithra: 2
Galka: 1 (who you have to effectively buy)

Can we PLEASE get more Galkan trust NPC's? lemme name off a few: Dalzakk, Jabbos, Oggbi, Zazarg & Iron Eater/Pagdako heck if its possible to fit him in lore wise bring in Ferreous Coffin, he's the only white mage who can remove weakness, some may cry out "Galka have too low mp!" well who says you have to call him out? :rolleyes:

And what about non 5 races trust npcs?
Babban Ny Mheillea, Auroral Alicorn, & Poroggo Prince. (Frog Cheer would be a pretty nice buff *nudge* )

What about Friendly Beastmen? like the ones you can call out with the beastmen hats/helms? not many have the hats and even if they did only like 5 uses and all they do is show up use a random move and then leave. Would be kinda nice to have a friendly gobbie to travel with. Or just Goblins since they are more "trust worthy" than Orcs, Yagudo, Quadav, Tonberry, and such as and so on. (though for Yagudo beastmen trust npc's one comes to mind right away)

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Originally Posted by pancakesandsx

This is a general thread for Trust feedback and suggestions now that it's out. System suggestions, usage suggestions, customization suggestions, additional npc suggestions, etc.

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I do not know if there is a feedback from the admins or mods or devs sticky but here gos.We want maat all ready so many great ways they could of given him to us over the years why not add maat in to the quest list and have something to do with the mogs to be able to unlock him,seeing as him and the mogs do the level quests.

also the drk they gave us from the log in points needs to be reworked or fixed.seeing as he spams magic rather then hit a few times and then a spell to help or something like that.I cant and wont use him i would rather use the damage dealing mage from windy.

Any chance of Fraulein Mumor and her companion showing up this way? I imagine Dancer would be her job.

Job Specific Trust quests would be really cool. You'd have to fulfill some kind of requirement, like a level 99 limit break rematch or something.

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Originally Posted by Tetsujin

Job Specific Trust quests would be really cool. You'd have to fulfill some kind of requirement, like a level 99 limit break rematch or something.

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Super cool in concept, but in reality who would want another character to show up on the same job they are, providing a more-than-likely redundant role? The 4-character party limit in particular (okay, 5 I guess if you're including your Fellow, but as they are right now they're an underleveled DD at best, IMO) puts some stress on any unbalanced parties.

Just returned from being on-again/off-again playing FFXI and really love the Trust stuff, talked hubby into coming back as well. Would love to see an option where we could form a full party with the two of us and NPC's when we have trouble finding others to join or even forming an alliance would be great!

Can you plz plz plz add quantity selection to the skill up books dont know if this has been said enough :)

There are only two Mithra Trust NPCs, and we cannot summon duplicates. Do you realize what this means?! It means that we can't have an all-Mithra Trust party. This is clearly a vital issue for all players and this critical problem must be fixed right away. More Mithra are urgently required, immediately.

Ok, so it isn't that important. But still, more Mithra would be nice. Semih Lafihna has always been popular, and I understand that since the advent of Records of Eminence, Mikhe Aryohcha has good advice for MNKs.

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Originally Posted by Hashmalum

Semih Lafihna

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I agree she would be a good choice, shes also a good choice because of the fact we are still lacking a ranged DD NPC as of yet, and since she is seemingly a RNG she would fill that current gap!

I really like the system, just have a few requests:

1) Can you please make it so Tank NPCs get closer to mobs instead of attacking from max melee distance? I say this because leveling THF or going /THF I have to go out of my way in order to get Trick Attack going.

2) Could you add a way to set basic formations or to be able to tell Trust partners where to stand? Because having them all cluttered in front of the mob along with the tank can be very inconvenient if the mob has a nasty frontal aoe attack.

3) Make temporary items (like healing powder) affect Trust NPCs as well, it's odd that said items affect Fellows but not Trust.

4) Would it be possible to make Trust party members also heal/buff Fellows?

5) More quests, cutscenes and dialog with Trust NPCs. Maybe some RoE challenges involving Trust NPCs too.

Wondering if they'll make Limited time Trust NPCs available again in the future via either another Login Campaign or whatnot. Missed getting Zeid, but I'm attempting to get Lion this time around.

I really hope they do make them available again, I don't see the point in making so many limited time only NPCs rather than NPCs that are mainstay characters that you can unlock via quests. I mean, Tenzen, Joachim, Zeid, and Lion, are all very important characters in the story, to make them only able to be gotten via limited time events like this is just... weird, and a waste.