Auction House - Remove 7 item listing cap

Maybe they could do the AH a little differently. If you could put up gear in one set of slots, food in another, tools in another etc. That way if there is a problem with more than 7 it would be broken into categories and not all go in AH as one set of sales items.

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Originally Posted by Kaida

IIRC the original cap was 10 but some problem occurred so they did a quick fix to 7 and put that delay on viewing stuff

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Originally Posted by magnius

No joke. PS2 limitations.

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Had nothing to do with PS2. The method of implementation made the back end (server interface) overly strained. Doesn't matter what anybody "said" or where anyone can or can't quote this or that from, I have seen multiple different excuses regarding this and I believe the truth is system currently in use was originally intended to be temporary and the programmer has long since been separated from the ffxi team leaving nobody knowing how to change/replace it outright only copy paste auction houses to town NPCs.


"ps2 limitations" has been overused so much that it has become a ffxi community meme, it is the new "working as intended"...

@ Eek : This is totally off topic but dude, your sig is killing me! LOL

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I've googled and skimmed the dev panels for 2006 2007 2008 and vanafest 2010. The only thing regarding auction houses was a concern for lack of low level gear up on the AH. So far, nothing. All the replies I got were just "i saw it but i dunno where" or "i'm too lazy to look it up" and that doesn't work too well when trying to prove something to the general public. I did the work, and I looked at the websites and searched forums.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you're LYING until I see proof. I'm just asking for source and even after trying to look for the source myself, I can't find it. How can you expect people to believe you when you shoot down anyone who's trying to believe you?

Also, you made that post while I was writing it. I read your post after I pressed reply. Just like I'm sure there will be posts after Alterin's when I finish this post.

I want to believe!

Damn, can't post pics :(

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I only added that text after the quotes because of the inability to post unless you meet a certain amount of characters (quotes don't count toward this). I guess I should've said something else but, that's irrelevant. Anyway, you can't really expect us to go through years of notes to find that one single instance where they mentioned that the ps2 was part of the reason, especially not for such a miniscule point, can you? It is better to just take this as a truth (that they said it, not that what they said was the full scope of the problem) seeing as multiple people are claiming that it was said and that they read it. It may have even been a translation error or something but, again, irrelevant. One question out of years of questions isn't easy to find, and isn't really worth the effort to try and do so (not even close).

As for Expectations is it: Harder to believe what multiple people have claimed they witnessed or Harder to sift through hundreds of questions/pages to find the source?

I'd rather it be 7 then have no AH because it crashes all the time again.

I think the listing count was nerfed before it came to the US. Guides for crafting and such as far back as 2003 even mention that you are limited to 7 slots. It's been 7 since I joined in early 05, and I remember it being a hot topic even back then--and back then it was debated more along the lines of server lag if I remember right. I've seen it lags at times now with just 7 slots when I'm spread out my items on different AH's. Hopefully when they merge all the AH's most of that potential lag will go away and they can see to increasing the limit later (up to 7 queries for your GUID to one table are a lot faster then splitting up a mix of up to 7 across 4 tables)--but not likely until after the merge happens and they can verfiy that aspect.

Raist

nerfed 07/09/2002. Good read. good memories

http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=157

Good old JP button

I kind of want a complete revamp of the AH to bring it more in line with other games, but even such a marginal improvement, such as increasing the amount of items you can post would be welcomed by me.

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Originally Posted by Kaida

nerfed 07/09/2002. Good read. good memories

http://jpbutton.bluegartr.com/?p=157

Good old JP button

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thanks for doing the legwork :D

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Originally Posted by annewandering

Maybe they could do the AH a little differently. If you could put up gear in one set of slots, food in another, tools in another etc. That way if there is a problem with more than 7 it would be broken into categories and not all go in AH as one set of sales items.

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Great idea anne, I'd love to see them work on that after they merger all the AHs.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

I think the listing count was nerfed before it came to the US. Guides for crafting and such as far back as 2003 even mention that you are limited to 7 slots. It's been 7 since I joined in early 05, and I remember it being a hot topic even back then--and back then it was debated more along the lines of server lag if I remember right. I've seen it lags at times now with just 7 slots when I'm spread out my items on different AH's. Hopefully when they merge all the AH's most of that potential lag will go away and they can see to increasing the limit later (up to 7 queries for your GUID to one table are a lot faster then splitting up a mix of up to 7 across 4 tables)--but not likely until after the merge happens and they can verfiy that aspect.

Raist

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I was logged in when one of the listing adjustments happened. I think it was when it reduced from 8 to 7, and had already been reduced from 10 before that. But it's been years so I don't remember well. I definitely remember in game server message warnings about the AH problems that did not get corresponding messages on the playonline site, unlike years later when we were told the AH was having probs because of DDoS attacks.

Oh hey, a little off topic but does anyone remember teh day we all got a server message asking us to empty our delivery and mail boxes?

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Originally Posted by DrDelicious

thanks for doing the legwork :D

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:D NP enjoying reading what has changed over the years.

Like Bind sticking until it wore.

being able to disengage reengage to avoid weapon delay.

*old man voice* This is what we did back in the day and we liked it! nrrrrrrrrr

haha yeah, i was just reminiscing about the desynth thing, good times

I have HUGE respect for those who put items like bone chips and crystals and other junk in AH, my AH slot is very valuable, to the point that even 100K profit items is considered too low, I don't even bother sending these items to my mules anymore.
So if you are a person who put some low crafting stuff, crystals and other junk in AH, I thank you :') and my way of saying thanks in game is that I stopped trying to bid low prices and just buy the item at full price to make some of you happy, I wouldn't last or reach where I'm without you~ <3.

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Originally Posted by Bhujerba

I have HUGE respect for those who put items like bone chips and crystals and other junk in AH, my AH slot is very valuable, to the point that even 100K profit items is considered too low, I don't even bother sending these items to my mules anymore.
So if you are a person who put some low crafting stuff, crystals and other junk in AH, I thank you :') and my way of saying thanks in game is that I stopped trying to bid low prices and just buy the item at full price to make some of you happy, I wouldn't last or reach where I'm without you~ <3.

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I stopped putting low cost stuff on the AH myself also. Partially because so much of it gets sent back to me. I've been stuck NPCing alot of the stuff alot of people are complaining is never up. I'll agree with you that I'm grateful for being able to find these lower valued crafting items. They make the difference in quests also, not just crafts. (PUP AF/Automaton, AF for DNC, COR, SCH, and BLU aswell are all dependent on this factor, and MH expansion quests.)

I wouldn't mind an increase to 10-15 range.

wow i already posted this topic over two weeks ago.

its because of PS2 Limitations and Server Limitations.

it sucks.

SE had a MAJOR design flaw.

and it will probably never be fixed.......

Just like everything else in the game.

I vote yes to this... should be no cap at all. would give all the new players a chance to put up all the crystals they have instead of coming and going coming and going... gets quite annoying.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

As for Expectations is it: Harder to believe what multiple people have claimed they witnessed or Harder to sift through hundreds of questions/pages to find the source?

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

"ps2 limitations" has been overused so much that it has become a ffxi community meme, it is the new "working as intended"...

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Unfortunately, because what GlobalVariable says is absolutely true. One has to take ps2 limitations statements with a grain of salt. Most people still think zone reskinning is due to PS2 limitations and that shows how unwilling the public is to learn the truth instead of just throwing ps2 limitations out as a blanket statement. I do, however, understand the fact that people often feel the need to place the blame on something/someone for peace of mind so I do not blame them.

Also, by your logic, if enough people claim to say it's not due to ps2 limitations everyone should believe that instead. Which of course is not a good thing.

That JPButton link was pretty cool, it's a shame it didn't say why the AH limit was dropped to 7. This debate would have ended promptly. Thanks Kaida :)

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Originally Posted by Yarly

Unfortunately, because what GlobalVariable says is absolutely true. One has to take ps2 limitations statements with a grain of salt. Most people still think zone reskinning is due to PS2 limitations and that shows how unwilling the public is to learn the truth instead of just throwing ps2 limitations out as a blanket statement. I do, however, understand the fact that people often feel the need to place the blame on something/someone for peace of mind so I do not blame them.

Also, by your logic, if enough people claim to say it's not due to ps2 limitations everyone should believe that instead. Which of course is not a good thing.

That JPButton link was pretty cool, it's a shame it didn't say why the AH limit was dropped to 7. This debate would have ended promptly. Thanks Kaida :)

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Hmm, let me put this another way: the "ps2 limitations" thing clearly came from somewhere. This was one such moment that lead to the overuse of "ps2 limitations". I won't deny the possibility of what you said but, some of us remember when the "ps2 limitations" "meme" started. This very topic is one of it's origins.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

Hmm, let me put this another way: the "ps2 limitations" thing clearly came from somewhere. This was one such moment that lead to the overuse of "ps2 limitations". I won't deny the possibility of what you said but, some of us remember when the "ps2 limitations" "meme" started. This very topic is one of it's origins.

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The earliest memory I have for PS2 limitations excuse was for inventory spaces. People wanted more and more and SE kept saying we can't, PS2 limits us. Then they kept giving us gobbie bags to increase our inventory, wtf? ... After all the PS2 limitation crap they tossed at us from NA release, they said 80 was the actual limit back in Nov2008 (link) and thus came the satchel and (now) sack...

Of course, just because it's MY earliest memory from since I started playing back in Nov2003 doesn't make it the earliest instance of PS2 limitations.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

The earliest memory I have for PS2 limitations excuse was for inventory spaces. People wanted more and more and SE kept saying we can't, PS2 limits us. Then they kept giving us gobbie bags to increase our inventory, wtf? ... After all the PS2 limitation crap they tossed at us from NA release, they said 80 was the actual limit back in Nov2008 (link) and thus came the satchel and (now) sack...

Of course, just because it's MY earliest memory from since I started playing back in Nov2003 doesn't make it the earliest instance of PS2 limitations.

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Yeah there's a few instances of it. Inventory space was one of the bigger/more noticed instances of it (brought up more than once), though I don't think the 7 items limit one was said more than once. There really shouldn't be an excuse once they merge the auction houses to increase the limit to at least 10. There is no argument on that (not that I actually have/had an argument).

I've said this before in some form or another but it is worth repeating:

Even if in a given instance of a thing we want the ps2 limit excuse was irrefutably proven false, that still doesn't mean it can be done. We should really stop bringing it up in every suggestion and just let the developers decide what they have the resources and means to accomplish. They will anyway no matter what we post at each other.




That isn't to say not to suggest work around for whatever reasons they may give for things (mog satchel and sack both bypass original goblin bag size limit problem), just that the whole argument over what they might have said is kind of pointless, ya know? And also worth considering that maybe just saying something about the ps2 was easier than explaining things.

NEED MOAR DEVELOPER ANSWER. >:O

Yes, please!!! Please, please (PLEASE!) remove the 7-item limitation and increase the time items can stay on the ah to a real-life week.. I have literally 13 mules I have occasionally utilized to list crafted items on the ah. Removing the cap would make my life a HECK of a lot easier! lol

(13x7=91 items)..... lol, yes I know.. its a lot... but I'd like no cap on item listing if that's possible..

I would think the 7 item limit is simply another way to curb RMT activities. Picture this: with unlimited or very high item limitation it would be easier for someone to simply buy everything of some item, and re-list them all at a higher price. Even if it wasn't an RMT doing it, you know it would kill the economy.

PS2 limitations.

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I think having a limit is okay, but it would be nice to be increased at least to 8 to match everything else, trading, mailing etc. I also think the 3 day auto return kind of sucks, but if they were to get rid of it, they would not get so much gil in taxes as they do now, not sure this would be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Wade

I think having a limit is okay, but it would be nice to be increased at least to 8 to match everything else, trading, mailing etc. I also think the 3 day auto return kind of sucks, but if they were to get rid of it, they would not get so much gil in taxes as they do now, not sure this would be an issue.

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I would be fine to pay higher taxes (that equivalent of 1 week's worth) for the removal of the auto-return (or at least bumped up to 1 week)..

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Originally Posted by Alderin

I would be fine to pay higher taxes (that equivalent of 1 week's worth) for the removal of the auto-return (or at least bumped up to 1 week)..

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That's true, they could do higher taxes I guess. I just don't know if it's really needed. I don't know how much they really get, especially nowadays.

could be worse. Could be market wards.

Regarding the limitation on the number of items that can be listed on Auction House, it will be on hold until the auction house merger takes place.

We are planning to make various adjustments, such as number of items and item listing period, after following the progress of auction house merger.

Woot, thanks for the update Gildrein!

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Originally Posted by Rambus

There should be no cap, i think it only exists because of ps2 limitations or something.

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This may be true, however I've played quite a few MMO's over the years and most do not allow you to post more than 10 items on their respective auction houses at the maximum. Sure it's never enough spots to sell stuff, but it would circumvent gameplay and probably come back to hurt the players as well.

As some mentioned there's market flooding, if anyone can post as much stuff on the AH as they want, it only serves to bog the AH system and gives many more oppertunites to kill the price on an item by massive undercutting. Let's think about it for a second, say consumeable items such as Arrows go for 5k a stack and they're are 5 providers who keep the AH constantly stocked. Let's also say these providers only stock the AH once a day, 7 AH slots apiece means 35 stacks at the most.

If on average 25-35 stacks sell per day, the most any one of them would sell is 7 stacks of arrows a day. So even if one person sells his arrows for 4k a stack instead of 5k, the market does not fluxuate that much because as soon as all 7 of the 4k stacks are sold they go back up to 5k.

Now same senario only theres an unlimited cap, the difference is one person has a huge suplus of arrows while the other four only has a handful. If said person with the huge surplus of arrows were to sell all of them for 4k a stack versus the 5k price, the other four vendors would never get any arrows sold without undercutting the one with the most items. And from there, the original undercutter undercuts the new price to compete, and it cycles until it's no longer profitable and the vendors quit or the price stabilizes from a natural cost-versus-profit process.

While people have mules and such to help coutner this they still suffer the same limitations of the player and usually moreso, because many mules have not reached or have the skill and ability to access places such as jeuno, have less inventory space, can still sell only 7 items at a time, and you only have as many mules as your willing to pay for.

Another problem I could feesably see, is people using the AH as a infinate storage facility. With unlimited sale slots they could just put an item on the AH with a perposterous selling price that no one would pay for, pay standard posting fee, then be on their merry way. It wouldn't matter if it was returned to them three days later because it's still out of their inventory until they're actually trying to receive payment on something. The same thing would happen if the DB had unlimited slots to send stuff.

There's also RMT considerations -- consider the possibilities of account-scamming RMT with an unlimited AH...

Again, the idiots mean you can't have Good Things...

Ask and you shall receive. :D