Monstrosity Feedback

This may be a wild and crazy idea, but what if it was possible to use this system and create a new job? I was thinking the Morpher job from FFTA. Keep the Monstrosity system as it is, but when you're playing a Morpher, you can change to any of your monsters. The morphed version would have to be nerfed a little, and the monster's level would be synced to the Morpher's level, or the Party if under Level Sync. Hell, add the job unlock quest to CoP areas so that expansion can finally get a job unlock quest.

Greetings everyone!

Thanks for all the feedback thus far for Monstrosity! We're happy to hear that you are all enjoying your alternate lives as monsters. :p

Below is some information from Ryota Iwagami about upcoming adjustments and additions to the Monstrosity system.

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Originally Posted by Ryota_Iwagami

Hello.

I’d like to let you know about the future plans we have for Monstrosity.

• Adjustments Phase 1
  • Expansion of areas
    Addressing the below two points are our priority:
    • Not enough areas where you can level large monsters.
    • Not enough areas that support high levels.
  • Monipulator vs. adventurer
    First we’ll start off with this. (Monipulator vs. monipulator is still a bit out.)
    
    
  • Addition of rewards for monipulator vs. adventurer content
    While these rewards will not be items you can't live without when you are an adventurer, we’d like to prepare some rewards that the adventurers participating in this content can aim for.
    
    
  • Battle balance adjustments
    We’ll be making adjustments mainly based on PvP.
    
    
  • Instincts adjustments
    We’ll be making adjustments so you’ll be able to consider a bit more which instincts you’d like to use. While the values will be somewhat small, we’d like to add a bit more accuracy to a good amount of instincts.
    
    
  • Unlocking job abilities for monster’s main job
    To give you an idea, if a monster’s main job is warrior they’ll be able to use Provoke, and if a monster’s main job is black mage they’ll be able to use Elemental Seal.
  
  
  
• Adjustments Phase 2
  • Expansion of areas
    We’ll be supplementing portions where there are gaps in recommended levels.
    
    
  • Unlocking of monster species
    
    
  • Unlocking of monsters to go along with special events
    For example, we’d like to make it possible to obtain certain monster sub-species that appear during New Years.
  
  
• Adjustments Phase 3
  • Expansion of areas
    
    
  • Unlocking of monster species
    
    
  • Addition of Monstrosity-specific content
    The main thing we are planning for this is content that you can play as a party.
    Specifically, content for leveling up, battle content, and content where you can compete as teams.
    
    If you have any content you’d like to see besides the above, we’d love to hear your ideas!
    
    At the current stage the plans are still up in the air, but we are thinking it would be a lot of fun to do things like a team battle or battle royale type of thing where you can have fun while gaining experience points, even if the amount you receive is not that high.
    
    
  • Forming parties as monipulators
    The content you can play as monipulators will be Monstrosity-specific content.
    In regular field areas, hunting down monsters at a fast pace and doing other activities would largely affect players, so we’d like to create content where you can play as a party to your heart’s desire without having to worry about these kind of things.
    
    
  • Skillchains as monipulators
    To go along with being able to party as monipulators, we would also like to make it possible to execute skillchains.

We’ll be looking into all of the other feedback we have been receiving in regards to magic, battle preparation time, and other aspects. Once there is any movement on this we will be sure to let you know!

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And on a short-side note...

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

And Camate, manage to unlock Behemoth yet?

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Well, I'm already a behemoth, so I believe the real question is -- did you manage to unlock Camate yet?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

Thanks for all the feedback thus far for Monstrosity! We're happy to hear that you are all enjoying your alternate lives as monsters. :p

Below is some information from Ryota Iwagami about upcoming adjustments and additions to the Monstrosity system.




And on a short-side note...


Well, I'm already a behemoth, so I believe the real question is -- did you manage to unlock Camate yet?

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Rank Update yes no ? ( infamy points cap & stuff )

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings everyone!

Thanks for all the feedback thus far for Monstrosity! We're happy to hear that you are all enjoying your alternate lives as monsters. :p

Below is some information from Ryota Iwagami about upcoming adjustments and additions to the Monstrosity system.




And on a short-side note...


Well, I'm already a behemoth, so I believe the real question is -- did you manage to unlock Camate yet?

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Appreciate the update, I have a tiny question, Are these phases dated yet? Like "Phase1 End of August, Phase 2 October" or so forth, or is it up in the air and thats currently the "Scheduled implementation" outline of what will be coming when?

Also, Gestation update would be easy to implement, Maybe they can sneak that in as a ninja update? Pretty please :D? ... also I'm pleased to hear they'll be introducing new zones soon, I'm a bit upset to hear Party play is so far off, Exping past level 55-60 becomes a boring grind alone... I want to be able to party with friends :(, was really hoping that'd come around this update but its okay.

So yah, Early on its real fast paced, i really like it, but srsly post 55-60 it becomes slow and its only worse when you have to do it entirely by yourself :(

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Unlocking job abilities for monster’s main job
To give you an idea, if a monster’s main job is warrior they’ll be able to use Provoke, and if a monster’s main job is black mage they’ll be able to use Elemental Seal.

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Does anyone else NOT want this? I mean, I don't want to basically just be a normal player running around dressed as a monster. It just becomes kind of a stupid gimmick for PvP at that point.

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Originally Posted by Futan

Does anyone else NOT want this? I mean, I don't want to basically just be a normal player running around dressed as a monster. It just becomes kind of a stupid gimmick for PvP at that point.

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I concur.

Also, it's odd to me that you can still catch aggro while monipulating. Mobs don't attack each other normally, why are they attacking me?

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Originally Posted by Futan

Does anyone else NOT want this? I mean, I don't want to basically just be a normal player running around dressed as a monster. It just becomes kind of a stupid gimmick for PvP at that point.

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Don't get me wrong I enjoy Monstrosity, but... Isn't that what it is already? We just have not got the PvP part yet. Right now we are just a monster running around using monster TP moves & spells to the correlating job, if they add JAs, we will have JAs to use too, but really I can not see it turning the event from special to mediocre, its fun now, it would be fun with JAs, if anything my complain is that no normal monsters use JAs, but at that same time no normal Bee casts Phalanx, so that argument is a little weak.

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Originally Posted by Futan

Does anyone else NOT want this? I mean, I don't want to basically just be a normal player running around dressed as a monster. It just becomes kind of a stupid gimmick for PvP at that point.

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I personally love playing THF/THF, WAR/WAR, and MNK/MNK jobs that make up the majority of the jobs available right now Auto-Attacking nonstop for hours on end with a weak weaponskill randomly tossed in. Mage/Combo classes catch a break but personally I like the idea of JA's tossed in. Souleater for instance would be devastating to the mob as well as whoever it hit.

Anyway, No, it doesn't become a PVP Gimmick at that point, if it was going to be one it would be it because of its premise, MvM and MvP, not because it added Job Abilities. I personally always suspected we would eventually get 2hours for NM-types, which would be awesome. I didn't expect Provoke and such but personally i welcome the idea if only because I WANT COMPOSURE GDI.

*ahem*, That aside, Monsters still operate differently than players, and Monsters who would use Berserk would decimate their defense, So its like if players would use it now they're taking their life into their hands with it. Defender would help but you also remember these effects can be dispelled, and if its one v many its more likely they will, so they'd be more strategic like... Berserk > WS and hope they don't stun you (Or equip Resist Stun instincts and make yourself immune!!)

Point being I do want this, Auto-Attacking ad-infinum on WAR/WAR classes is boring as hell, and at least being able to Berserk or something to speed it up would make it a little more involved. Adds more strategy to the players in PvM too, as If they saw it ready Elemental Seal they'd know a big nuke was coming, or if it used Berserk a big WS. Personally you can make yourself immune to stun through instincts, It would cause some more strategy in fights, especially with a human mind behind the monster. I support the idea of job Abilities. thoroughly.

When you say battle adjustments centered on PvP, I hear "weakening monipulators, making leveling up slower and the solo content less fun."

If you do mean weakening monipulators, can it please ONLY be in PvP? Please don't gimp monsters outside of PvP.

Also, I'm unhappy to see no mention of monipulators being able to open doors in the future.

Lastly, please implement areas in order of usefulness instead of by expansion. For example, Ifrit's Cauldron is useless for leveling, and Uggalepih, and Den of Rancor too. Those three places should never be introduced in Monstrosity.

On the other hand, areas like Lufaise Meadows, Misareaux Coast, and both Riverne areas would be extremely useful (yes, please let monipulators go through spatial displacements).

Ifrit's Cauldron is Ballin for exp if you know the right area :o, Goblins are squishy as hell. Beyond that, places like those are real good for the reason that

A) A lot of people think like you and believe they're useless for exp, so they'll be significantly less crowded for people like me who know the good camps in them.

B)... I don't have a B, A covers it pretty thoroughly.

I'd personally love ToAU Zones, I wanna punch Colibri.

Oh, Also some suggestion I thought of.

Can ya add more name affixes? Some examples:

Body (to go with "Fang)
Scale
Skin
Hide
Fur
Claw
Tail
Wing

Elements
Flame
Blazing
Frost
Frigid
Thunderous
Molten


Metals
Silver
Golden/Gold

Colors/etc
Scarlet
Blood
Sun (to opposite Moon)

Some examples of these combinations could be

Golden Sun Ladybug
Blood Claw Tiger
Scarlet Fur Ram
Blazing Fang Raptor
Blazing Claw Tiger
etcetc

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Originally Posted by Camate

Well, I'm already a behemoth, so I believe the real question is -- did you manage to unlock Camate yet?

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Can we unlock Okipuit instead? Having unlocked Bayohne and Hvinire was a mesmerising experience.

*psst test server event, please! :D

The lack of partying for the purpose of levelling up is truly, extremely disheartening. Monstrosity is great content, but this is a multiplayer game and Monstrosity dictates that I spend many, many, many hours alone and unable to spend time with my friends.

If you're really worried about rapid annihilation of monsters, perhaps allow us to team up with one other monster?

I think it's pretty naive in the first place to think that monster experience parties would actually negatively impact anyone, though. The one level sync party left on all servers anywhere seemed to be doing fine with 25 monsters killing enemies in Qufim.

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Originally Posted by Edyth

Also, I'm unhappy to see no mention of monipulators being able to open doors in the future.

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Only raptors will be able to open doors.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Only raptors will be able to open doors.

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Clever girl...

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Originally Posted by detlef

Only raptors will be able to open doors.

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Where can't you open doors? The ones in Hororuto work just fine.

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Originally Posted by Louispv

Where can't you open doors? The ones in Hororuto work just fine.

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Garliege and Oztroja are primarily the ones that can't be opened.

As far as zones, Sanctuary of Zi'Tah, Eastern Altepa Desert, Western Altepa Desert, Cape Teriggan, Valley of Sorrow, Lufaise Meadows, Misareaux Coast, Uleguerand Range and Bibiki Bay would be a good start for helping large monsters to level and expanding options. They're all Zilart and CoP areas, which really should be assumed that everyone has at this point.

Not feedback, but does anyone remember this thread?

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...053204871&h=50

We followed-up with the main monipulator, Ryota Iwagami, and received some updates to your feedback.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I understand the idea of random spawns but can you please make the locations it can put you dependent on the level you are at?

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We'd like to monitor Monstrosity conditions a bit more before we make adjustments to the spawn locations; however, we are looking into extending the gestation time when there is no PvP.

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Originally Posted by Vriska_Serket

- Make gestation last until I click it off to cancel it. Because being dumped in a high level area of a low level zone sucks, especially on monsters with movespeed penalties. Unlimited sneak/invis isn't overpowered when you only get it once & it's not on your adventurer self.

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As mentioned above, we are looking into extending the gestation time, so this should help out when you are in high level areas and need to evade monsters.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Unlock RoTZ and CoP Zones soon - This is sorely needed. I mean, I enjoy exploring the original zones, But Its getting repetitive and it gets real hard to level around 60. Opening up some fresh new zones would be great. Especially needed for Larger Enemies.

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As mentioned in the post from Iwagami about future adjustments, priority is first going to be placed on adding adding areas where large monsters can level up at high levels. Once this is completed, we will start looking into adding Zilart and Promathia areas. :)

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Originally Posted by Vagrua

Infamy caps at 10000 & will not go any further until spent.

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The infamy cap is actually related to the requirements for becoming an NM. In order to become a true NM, you'll need to break through the cap. The infamy cap can be broken while playing in PvP mode.

We'll continue to discuss your feedback with the development team, so keep it coming!

Thanks Okipuit for the feedback! I'm excited to hear about gestation being increased. <3 I like the idea of it being permanent until clicked off as well, even if it's just for MvE.

Could we possibly have HP and MP regeneration increased at a quicker rate as well? For the low levels it's fine, and EXP comes in quick enough to not need to rest, but higher up (30+ anyway) it seems to slow down. Tremendously so.

Tend to agree, thanks for all the info. I'm assuming for Big enemies we'll probably see Cape Terrigan soon, and i wouldn't rule out zones like Altepa.

Really hoping for this stuff in the End of August Update ^^.

Also... Good to know Infamy won't go past 10k Unless you're doing PVP, It helps us to understand it.

QUESTION <3: do you plan to do something to combat Item Levels, Cause how easily people kill Tojil now, I don't think us Monsters will stand a real chance when we'll be getting hit with 10k+ Resolutions with all this overpowered I.level stuff :|...

Examples, Nerf ilvl stuff in PvMonstrosity? Or perhaps are we going to be buffed above and beyond the normal NMs available? Are you going to raise the Level cap of Monsters to 120+ Later down the line?

PvP would be cool but i really hope you give us the option to flag ourselves open for PvP, and be able to turn off that flag should we not want to PvP. When im not in the mood to pvp players and i just want to level I want to be left to it and not be constantly killed by players.

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Originally Posted by Trumpy

PvP would be cool but i really hope you give us the option to flag ourselves open for PvP, and be able to turn off that flag should we not want to PvP. When im not in the mood to pvp players and i just want to level I want to be left to it and not be constantly killed by players.

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It will probably work in the way that you flag it on in your home beach... That would prevent people from saying "I don't want to anymore" when they're losing.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

As mentioned in the post from Iwagami about future adjustments, priority is first going to be placed on adding adding areas where large monsters can level up at high levels. Once this is completed, we will start looking into adding Zilart and Promathia areas. :)

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I would actually recommend making these additions at the same time, simply because the Zilart/Promathia areas already include several areas that would work well for leveling large monsters post-60. (Ro'Maeve, Quicksand Caves, Bibiki Bay, and Uleguerand Range come immediately to mind as areas that seem like they'd fit large monsters easily, especially the latter as it is the home of buffalo to begin with. I may be wrong about Ro'Maeve having room for large monsters, however.)

The alternatives I can think of at this time are either allowing large monsters into more cramped areas - which runs the risk of rendering issues and possibly stuck characters - or adding monsters to certain areas that are already large-monster accessible, which seems like a stopgap measure that has potentially unintended side-effects for people who are not, for whatever reason, participating in Monstrosity. (Similar to the addition of lv80+ monsters in low-level zones, only probably not as drastic in effect because it'd more likely be lv65+ monsters in zones that currently top out at lv55ish for the highest-level monsters.)

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

QUESTION <3: do you plan to do something to combat Item Levels, Cause how easily people kill Tojil now, I don't think us Monsters will stand a real chance when we'll be getting hit with 10k+ Resolutions with all this overpowered I.level stuff :|...

Examples, Nerf ilvl stuff in PvMonstrosity? Or perhaps are we going to be buffed above and beyond the normal NMs available? Are you going to raise the Level cap of Monsters to 120+ Later down the line?

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Remember of course that when we play as monsters, we won't be holding our TP for no apparent reason, until we are below 25%. We'll also be able to pick the most deadly TP move, and possibly even ignore the normal enmity rules? Go and kill the whms and schs then see how well the DDs do^^

True, But, When you're rocking 20k HP, Its not going to take long for them to kill you, You'll probably not even see the number 200% on your TP Bar by the time you're dead if the DD are any good lol.

Even if it works under PvP rules of engagement as I assume it will, Provoke will simply become a must have in Monstosity, as it will force the Mon-player to attack the Provoker, so far as gear goes and levels, if you remember right, we are all normal monsters right now, we are not classified as NMs, so our HP will likely grow in our NM forms I would think. So far as holding TP goes, that's not to bad either, after all, if I am fighting my LS as a, say, Tojil like mob, they are smart enough to bring Stunners to take out Lahar, the same goes for if I pick a Wyrm & spam Spike Flail, now if we make ourselves immune to stun, then it could get interesting, or boring, how fun is it to fight a mob who only uses a single move over and over again to kill you? In my opinion, its fairly boring, and its annoying as hell when its a cheap move like Lahar which causes Weakness or even worse, a move like Oblivion's Mantle from Gallu type mobs.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Only raptors will be able to open doors.

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Yes! Real raptors open doors; why can't I?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzIVwpCcgkM

Ironically, I was playing as "Old Mr. Raptor" when I first raged about doors. I happened to be trapped in Gusgen Mines, unable to proceed further in.

Anyway, Okipuit! Can you see if the "main monipulator" will tease another HNM for us?

Ferromantoise and Naraka have been teased, and I think a Hadhayosh-type behemoth as well. Can we have another? Perhaps... a Naakual? I want Old Mr. Raptor to graduate to Big Old Gabbrath :cool:

Well, I'm capable of opening doors in Zvahl and Oztroja as a monster, even the ones that required levers (of note, the 4 lever door in Oztroja, the Gates in Zvahl Keep).

i too LOVE monstority its All ive been playing tho the Area for big guys needs to expand soon Also i really want to see Partying soon! its a bummer not being able to show off monsters to people so id love party to happen!

what abut monster abilities will those been gettin some? maybe even some Monster Merits down the line. partying with human players would be funny too.

how about "Runic stations" placed within some areas like, lets say Qufim if a Large monster attempt to go into a Cave and go past one the runic point it will either become a human or will be teleported randomly, thus making it a large monster coudl go into an area just not thru a tunnel.

I just got around to dipping my toe in the Monstrosity pool late yesterday evening just before I went to bed, but I really like it so far.

It needs some rewards (and I'm not talking about the kind of reward that is relevant only to Monstrosity), or at least some kind of indication that we will eventually be able to make use of this system to benefit our actual characters in some way.

As it is, just beating up trash mobs and not even being able to get things like beastmen's seals for my efforts has me wondering why I'm even bothering. If I wanted to get nothing, I could accomplish the same thing just standing around in my MH.

Beastmen's Seals in 2013?

It would be nice to be able to turn off the ground-shaking effect for large monsters in Monstrosity. Actually, it would be nice to be able to turn it off for monsters anywhere, but it is especially bad in Monstrosity when the monster you are playing shakes the ground with every step. I understand that this can cause motion-sickness in some people.

no the groundshakiong is awesome leave it in lol motion sickness ppl can go play a small creature lol

booom boom boom its very dramatic - Jurassic park

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Beastmen's Seals in 2013?

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Kclub is still valuable (on my server, its value is actually going up) and they are still convertable into other things.

Oh, Another suggestion! With the Discriptors, Can you allow us to remove the Species name from it?

For instance, Right now, You're always "Somethingsomething Specie", Example Zodiac Fang Tiger. I was curious if we could remove the Specie name as an option, to become simply "Zodiac Fang", or as another example, "Lumber Jack Beetle" minus Beetle.

Would be nice if we could change the position of the Specie name too. So we can place it between or before First and second Descriptors.

it dawns on me. When it comes to Partying with other monsters, can you stop observing balance or whatever? I play an MMO to interact with others. Soloing, no matter how much easier, is super boring lol.

Limit party with monsters to Maybe 3, But exp parties as Monsters would be really welcome. let us party in a Moblin Maze Mongers capacity... Anything to stem the monotony of exping alone. PLEASE :)

Most people i ask say soloing is the most likely reason this event will start to die. People don't like playing alone forever, it gets boring and stale... and everyone I've talked to says they look forward to partying, and hope its implemented quickly.